I think Willie watches a couple games against real teams coming up and then makes a decision.
- TheMussel

Nothing like making a decision based on games 6-12 of the regular season.

To Phoenix: Gardiner and Nylander

To Toronto: Oel and Strome or 1st Strome and Chychrun

Nothing like making a decision based on games 6-12 of the regular season.

To Phoenix: Gardiner and Nylander

To Toronto: Oel and Strome or 1st Strome and Chychrun
- systemtool

Lebrun said today he may fear getting traded...if he takes less and someone offers Dubas a #1 D next year because Nylander scored PPG with a 6x6 contract. That would be hard to turn down.

Then Willie just took less to play for a worse team.

- Santo_44

Have heard this a few times over the last couple days.

No idea if he should be concerned about that, but it is plausible. Nylander's agents can do math also, and they see what is going on with the team. The idea of signing him then trading him is not very far-fetched at all.

I kinda feel for the guy, he may just be the odd man out, no matter what he does.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2018/10/12/17961970/toronto-maple-leafs-fans-nhl-news-hockey-twitter-leafs-news-not-actually-sorry-you-dummies



- systemtool

Have heard this a few times over the last couple days.

No idea if he should be concerned about that, but it is plausible. Nylander's agents can do math also, and they see what is going on with the team. The idea of signing him then trading him is not very far-fetched at all.

I kinda feel for the guy, he may just be the odd man out, no matter what he does.
- Aetherial

He's getting screwed by luck and timing. He burned a year of his entry level deal playing for a tanking team. He didn't have a career year in his last year of that deal. Marner and Matthews are poised to break out big time. They will have earned hefty contracts. Theyre also better players. In the end trades are part of the game, and you can't sit out because you're scared of something that's a natural part of sports. Neither side can guarantee anything over 6-8 years. Both sides take a risk when signing a contract, and if the league says you can't have a ntc, dont blame the team.

At the end of the day, Nylander hasn't proven to be worth 8 million. He may one day, but unfortunately for him his contract expired before that day came. Yea I feel for the guy, but get over it and show what youre worth. The leafs aren't screwing him by holding out on a ntc, or for him being a 60 pt player in a contract negation.

Tavares made 5.5 and played for a poope organzation for years. He made it to Ufa status, got his ntc, got his pay day, got the team of his choice. He earned that right. Nylander hasnt earned anything yet. He should be thankful having matthews help pad his stats instead of demanding a perfect situation for himself when he has no rights. Telling a team they have to over pay you because they have the right to trade you is absurd. 6 million or 6.5 million for a 60 pt player is hardly short changing him or making him take less.

He's getting screwed by luck and timing. He burned a year of his entry level deal playing for a tanking team. He didn't have a career year in his last year of that deal. Marner and Matthews are poised to break out big time. They will have earned hefty contracts. Theyre also better players. In the end trades are part of the game, and you can't sit out because you're scared of something that's a natural part of sports. Neither side can guarantee anything over 6-8 years. Both sides take a risk when signing a contract, and if the league says you can't have a ntc, dont blame the team.

At the end of the day, Nylander hasn't proven to be worth 8 million. He may one day, but unfortunately for him his contract expired before that day came. Yea I feel for the guy, but get over it and show what youre worth. The leafs aren't screwing him by holding out on a ntc, or for him being a 60 pt player in a contract negation.

Tavares made 5.5 and played for a poope organzation for years. He made it to Ufa status, got his ntc, got his pay day, got the team of his choice. He earned that right. Nylander hasnt earned anything yet. He should be thankful having matthews help pad his stats instead of demanding a perfect situation for himself when he has no rights. Telling a team they have to over pay you because they have the right to trade you is absurd. 6 million or 6.5 million for a 60 pt player is hardly short changing him or making him take less.
- systemtool

Amen brother

He's getting screwed by luck and timing. He burned a year of his entry level deal playing for a tanking team. He didn't have a career year in his last year of that deal. Marner and Matthews are poised to break out big time. They will have earned hefty contracts. Theyre also better players. In the end trades are part of the game, and you can't sit out because you're scared of something that's a natural part of sports. Neither side can guarantee anything over 6-8 years. Both sides take a risk when signing a contract, and if the league says you can't have a ntc, dont blame the team.

At the end of the day, Nylander hasn't proven to be worth 8 million. He may one day, but unfortunately for him his contract expired before that day came. Yea I feel for the guy, but get over it and show what youre worth. The leafs aren't screwing him by holding out on a ntc, or for him being a 60 pt player in a contract negation.

Tavares made 5.5 and played for a poope organzation for years. He made it to Ufa status, got his ntc, got his pay day, got the team of his choice. He earned that right. Nylander hasnt earned anything yet. He should be thankful having matthews help pad his stats instead of demanding a perfect situation for himself when he has no rights. Telling a team they have to over pay you because they have the right to trade you is absurd. 6 million or 6.5 million for a 60 pt player is hardly short changing him or making him take less.
- systemtool

Pasta's a driver on the best line in hockey, he makes Bergeron a better player, and he's making 6.6M, and it was only signed last year.

Cap went up a bit, so 7M would be as high as I'd want to go with him. I just can't fathom any other comparable out there that actually makes sense.

Draisatl? Please. He's a center for starters, and maybe that's Willy's argument, but he hasn't really shown a whole lot as a center, so I'm not really understanding the logic of that comparable.

In the real 2012 Draft it went something like this....

1) Yakapov to the Oilers (Tambellini)
2) Ryan Murray to the Bluejackets (Howson - who the (frank) is he?)
3) Alex Galchenyuk to the Habs (Bergevin)
4) Griffen Reinhart to the NY Crybabies (Garth Snow)
5) Morgan Reilly to the Leafs (Brian Burke)

Thanks Burkie
- winsix

Lol NY Crybabies

Delicious tears of unfathomable sadness mmmm yummy!

Gonna be nice to se how the leafs stack up against top teams.

Pasta's a driver on the best line in hockey, he makes Bergeron a better player, and he's making 6.6M, and it was only signed last year.

Cap went up a bit, so 7M would be as high as I'd want to go with him. I just can't fathom any other comparable out there that actually makes sense.

Draisatl? Please. He's a center for starters, and maybe that's Willy's argument, but he hasn't really shown a whole lot as a center, so I'm not really understanding the logic of that comparable.
- gravyface

Keep in mind, Draisitl put up 77 points that year not 61. He also got 16 pts in 13 playoff games that season. Compared to Nylanders 8pts in 13 playoff games in two years. And even then, many still say Draisitl is over paid.

He's getting screwed by luck and timing. He burned a year of his entry level deal playing for a tanking team. He didn't have a career year in his last year of that deal. Marner and Matthews are poised to break out big time. They will have earned hefty contracts. Theyre also better players. In the end trades are part of the game, and you can't sit out because you're scared of something that's a natural part of sports. Neither side can guarantee anything over 6-8 years. Both sides take a risk when signing a contract, and if the league says you can't have a ntc, dont blame the team.

At the end of the day, Nylander hasn't proven to be worth 8 million. He may one day, but unfortunately for him his contract expired before that day came. Yea I feel for the guy, but get over it and show what youre worth. The leafs aren't screwing him by holding out on a ntc, or for him being a 60 pt player in a contract negation.

Tavares made 5.5 and played for a poope organzation for years. He made it to Ufa status, got his ntc, got his pay day, got the team of his choice. He earned that right. Nylander hasnt earned anything yet. He should be thankful having matthews help pad his stats instead of demanding a perfect situation for himself when he has no rights. Telling a team they have to over pay you because they have the right to trade you is absurd. 6 million or 6.5 million for a 60 pt player is hardly short changing him or making him take less.
- systemtool

good post tool

Keep in mind, Draisitl put up 77 points that year not 61. He also got 16 pts in 13 playoff games that season. Compared to Nylanders 8pts in 13 playoff games in two years.
- systemtool

Yep.

So maybe Pasta is the low-end of the range, the sweetheart deal that should've got his agent fired...

Top end is Draisatl, because Chia Pet is an idiot and his agent should be getting man-milked by Dr. Drai every night.

So Nylander, 7.25M per? Bridge deal, play him with Kadri and 2nd PP minutes, sorry for your luck?

good post tool
- Aetherial

willy will be a ufa again at 30 or under. playing with Matthews will set himself up well stat and career wise, then he can be a ufa and shop himself around.

Gonna be nice to se how the leafs stack up against top teams.
- Fakepartofme

nervous about tonight. caps gonna be pissed after getting blown out. and jets back to back later...yikes. jets are scary good.

nervous about tonight. caps gonna be pissed after getting blown out. and jets back to back later...yikes. jets are scary good.
- systemtool

It'll be a wake-up call if we get steamrolled; looking forward to seeing how we stack up against some better teams vs. destroying bottom-feeders to start the season.

nervous about tonight. caps gonna be pissed after getting blown out. and jets back to back later...yikes. jets are scary good.
- systemtool

Yeah could be a big back to earth. Those teams will make the Leafs PAY if they don't play defense.

I am actually wondering if the Washington game doesn't end up low scoring. I think the Winnipeg games will have a lot of goals
.

Have heard this a few times over the last couple days.

No idea if he should be concerned about that, but it is plausible. Nylander's agents can do math also, and they see what is going on with the team. The idea of signing him then trading him is not very far-fetched at all.

I kinda feel for the guy, he may just be the odd man out, no matter what he does.
- Aetherial

I really don't think Dubas will trade Nylander if he takes a discount. I think he wants him as part of the core.

He'll force a trade if he demands too much for sure though. He'll price himself out of the market.

Yep.

So maybe Pasta is the low-end of the range, the sweetheart deal that should've got his agent fired...

Top end is Draisatl, because Chia Pet is an idiot and his agent should be getting man-milked by Dr. Drai every night.

So Nylander, 7.25M per? Bridge deal, play him with Kadri and 2nd PP minutes, sorry for your luck?
- gravyface

There are a bunch more comparables towards 6 million then 7.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2018/10/12/17961970/toronto-maple-leafs-fans-nhl-news-hockey-twitter-leafs-news-not-actually-sorry-you-dummies



- systemtool

He's getting screwed by luck and timing. He burned a year of his entry level deal playing for a tanking team. He didn't have a career year in his last year of that deal. Marner and Matthews are poised to break out big time. They will have earned hefty contracts. Theyre also better players. In the end trades are part of the game, and you can't sit out because you're scared of something that's a natural part of sports. Neither side can guarantee anything over 6-8 years. Both sides take a risk when signing a contract, and if the league says you can't have a ntc, dont blame the team.

At the end of the day, Nylander hasn't proven to be worth 8 million. He may one day, but unfortunately for him his contract expired before that day came. Yea I feel for the guy, but get over it and show what youre worth. The leafs aren't screwing him by holding out on a ntc, or for him being a 60 pt player in a contract negation.

Tavares made 5.5 and played for a poope organzation for years. He made it to Ufa status, got his ntc, got his pay day, got the team of his choice. He earned that right. Nylander hasnt earned anything yet. He should be thankful having matthews help pad his stats instead of demanding a perfect situation for himself when he has no rights. Telling a team they have to over pay you because they have the right to trade you is absurd. 6 million or 6.5 million for a 60 pt player is hardly short changing him or making him take less.
- systemtool

Now if only Bill Ny's agent could understand common sense.

There are a bunch more comparables towards 6 million then 7.
- Archaic

And even if you factor in inflation from the cap going up, that still puts him at 6.5 now.

If he signed his contract at the same time as Pasternak and Ehlers, Bill Ny would have gotten closer to Ehlers money, than Pasternak money, because Pasternak has outplayed and outproduced both of them.

So Bill Ny at 6 then is 6.5, at best, now.

Yeah could be a big back to earth. Those teams will make the Leafs PAY if they don't play defense.

I am actually wondering if the Washington game doesn't end up low scoring. I think the Winnipeg games will have a lot of goals
.
- Aetherial

my hope is they try to take advantage of our weak d and forget about playing d and it goes to goalfest lol.

Now if only Bill Ny's agent could understand common sense.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Nylander should get paid well. He has that right to want it. But I lose respect for the guy when hes almost got the dream NHL job.

playing for a legit contender? check

elite superstar center to play with? check

big city. spotlight. big market? check

endorsements? check

send him to Arizona. let him see the other side of nhl teams and situations.

id like him to stay. we drafted him. but i cant take much more of this saga and cap talk when an exciting season is unfolding. dont need the "distraction"

Gonna be nice to se how the leafs stack up against top teams.
- Fakepartofme

Leafs usually always bring their A game when they face better teams.

And for whatever reason struggle against bottom feeders.

So let's hope the boys show up on time and play a full 60 tonight!

In the real 2012 Draft it went something like this....

1) Yakapov to the Oilers (Tambellini)
2) Ryan Murray to the Bluejackets (Howson - who the (frank) is he?)
3) Alex Galchenyuk to the Habs (Bergevin)
4) Griffen Reinhart to the NY Crybabies (Garth Snow)
5) Morgan Reilly to the Leafs (Brian Burke)

Thanks Burkie
- winsix

Meh. Aside from Reinhart, those were the appropriate picks at the time. Lindholm going from 26 to 6 was pretty nuts. Pouliot too, for worse reasons.