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Dr. Leaf
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Oakville, ON
Joined: 07.01.2018

Oct 12 @ 7:54 PM ET
Jealous? Not a chance.

I have been attacked by thin skin Leafs fans who took exception to my stating that Matthews contract is likely to be higher than McDavid since it will be signed 2 years later, with a salary cap $10M higher, after a season where Matthews is killing it.

If Toronto wins the Stanley Cup, I'll be there to watch the parade. You guys need to win a round in the playoffs first.

- SensFan25


Some truth there.
We will win one. Hopefully this year.
Glad Iā€™m no longer just waiting for my team to make the playoffs.
JLO961
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Location: MTL, QC
Joined: 01.16.2013

Oct 12 @ 7:57 PM ET
As much as Leafs fans annoy the h3ll out of the rest of us, it's nice to see the team finally winning. They've put together a great team, with great young dynamic players that are also insulated by experienced professional vets. Matthews is having a stellar year so far, but he is skating with some really good players up and down the lineup.

Now...

Matthews is nowhere near the same level as McDavid. Just let yourself imagine for a moment McDavid on the Leafs roster...

Now imagine Matthews trying to lead the dysfunctional Edmonton Oilers.

They're not even in the same universe as players...just get over it and enjoy the Leafs' ride this year (it could be a long ride)!
Deeps27
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 07.08.2007

Oct 12 @ 8:04 PM ET
As opposed to right wingers who just lie openly.
Now the only right winger we should be talking about is Willy Nylander.
No politics.
Hockey

- Dr. Leaf

How's a 28 game sample size work for these lugheads? (Courtesy @TheOakLeafs)

Top 5 single season PP% over the last 40 years:

80/81 NYI 29.3%
82/83 EDM 29.3%
79/80 MTL 29.0%
87/88 CGY 28.4%
81/82 NYI 27.8%

(Over their last 28GP, the Leafs' PP is at 40.5%, has added Tavares, introduced the Hulk version of Matthews and is still awaiting Nylander's return.)

Not shown: 2017/18 Avalanche
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Oct 12 @ 8:08 PM ET
As much as Leafs fans annoy the h3ll out of the rest of us, it's nice to see the team finally winning. They've put together a great team, with great young dynamic players that are also insulated by experienced professional vets. Matthews is having a stellar year so far, but he is skating with some really good players up and down the lineup.

Now...

Matthews is nowhere near the same level as McDavid. Just let yourself imagine for a moment McDavid on the Leafs roster...

Now imagine Matthews trying to lead the dysfunctional Edmonton Oilers.

They're not even in the same universe as players...just get over it and enjoy the Leafs' ride this year (it could be a long ride)!

- JLO961

We have..

Matthews is a better 5vs5 player than McDavid. His TOI is less than Connors and he by far out scores him. McDavid is the best playmaker, not pure scorer. So since Matthews needs less time to score more goals 5vs5, i can't see how he wouldn't vastly improve the Oil, maybe as much as CM97..

This "Connors better and we both know it" shtick makes you look bad. It makes it appear that you don't look at the actual facts and have a blind loyalty to McDavid. Either try harder to be less biased, or work on your smack game.. Just please don't waste our time.
SensFan25
Ottawa Senators
Location: ON
Joined: 08.24.2006

Oct 12 @ 8:10 PM ET
Literally no one thinks he'll be paid less than McDavid now.. All the talk sports radio show people (where many sports fans get their info) pretty much agree he'll get at least McDavid.

As for winning a round, im not so worried. If the Leafs do make the Finals/ECF it wont be as some cinderella team riding the coattails of one exceptional player.

- Arctic_AARDVARK

I'd have to think that this is the year that Toronto spends some future assets to add a significant piece to the defence to solidify the second pair. If you do, your odds of winning are as good as anybody.
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Oct 12 @ 8:13 PM ET
I'd have to think that this is the year that Toronto spends some future assets to add a significant piece to the defence to solidify the second pair. If you do, your odds of winning are as good as anybody.
- SensFan25

They already are as good as anybodys...

But yes.. Another top 4 RHD would tickle my fantasy..
Deeps27
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 07.08.2007

Oct 12 @ 8:19 PM ET
As much as Leafs fans annoy the h3ll out of the rest of us, it's nice to see the team finally winning. They've put together a great team, with great young dynamic players that are also insulated by experienced professional vets. Matthews is having a stellar year so far, but he is skating with some really good players up and down the lineup.

Now...

Matthews is nowhere near the same level as McDavid. Just let yourself imagine for a moment McDavid on the Leafs roster...

Now imagine Matthews trying to lead the dysfunctional Edmonton Oilers.

They're not even in the same universe as players...just get over it and enjoy the Leafs' ride this year (it could be a long ride)!

- JLO961

Matthews put up 40 goals on a 3 rookie line and plays a 200 foot game. I don't personally believe Matthews is currently a better player than McDavid, but perhaps the TEAM would have more success with a guy that plays better overall in 3 zones as opposed to simply putting up the best personal stats? Just a thought.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Oct 12 @ 8:22 PM ET
A little sensitive on the subject of cap hits for your better players?
- SensFan25



very.

i hate having matthews and tavares and marner. wish we could be as lucky as the sens and have duchene stone and dzingel so we could save money.

Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Oct 12 @ 8:26 PM ET
Read his name
- nbboy



Walshy borders on obsessed.
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Oct 12 @ 8:29 PM ET
How's a 28 game sample size work for these lugheads? (Courtesy @TheOakLeafs)

Top 5 single season PP% over the last 40 years:

80/81 NYI 29.3%
82/83 EDM 29.3%
79/80 MTL 29.0%
87/88 CGY 28.4%
81/82 NYI 27.8%

(Over their last 28GP, the Leafs' PP is at 40.5%, has added Tavares, introduced the Hulk version of Matthews and is still awaiting Nylander's return.)

Not shown: 2017/18 Avalanche

- Deeps27

Active Stick is šŸ”„

30% PP and 300 Goals or bust. GLG!
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Oct 12 @ 8:30 PM ET
I got accosted virtually by Leaves fans before the season started by saying Matthews will get at least what Tavares got. So is that now a reality? Looks like it's a very real possibility. I think Matthews is worth more so how does that Tavares contract look?
SensFan25
Ottawa Senators
Location: ON
Joined: 08.24.2006

Oct 12 @ 8:30 PM ET
very.

i hate having matthews and tavares and marner. wish we could be as lucky as the sens and have duchene stone and dzingel so we could save money.

- systemtool

That's an odd thing to wish for but OK. You go with that.
Leafcup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Aurora, ON
Joined: 06.16.2016

Oct 12 @ 8:31 PM ET
very.

i hate having matthews and tavares and marner. wish we could be as lucky as the sens and have duchene stone and dzingel so we could save money.

- systemtool


Like I said previously...trade Kadri and Gardiner for a top D-man, sign Nylander and put him at center.....once he sees that he will sign and at a discount for sure....plus helps with the cap
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Oct 12 @ 8:32 PM ET
I got accosted virtually by Leaves fans before the season started by saying Matthews will get at least what Tavares got. So is that now a reality? Looks like it's a very real possibility. I think Matthews is worth more so how does that Tavares contract look?
- Aussiepenguin

It looks good..

Matthews will get 13ish Mil...

Marner 9ish

who gives a poop about Nylander, trade him to ARI for picks..

Not hard to stay under the cap.
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Oct 12 @ 8:33 PM ET
very.

i hate having matthews and tavares and marner. wish we could be as lucky as the sens and have duchene stone and dzingel so we could save money.

- systemtool

Right?

Still sell out every night. Still on tv every game. Still create ridiculous amounts of revenue though advertising and merch sales. Still be Canada's team. Still have the best looking players. Still piss everyone off. Same ol female dogin that goes on today, cept different.

Why spend the money. Improvement over the past umpteen years where they spent max dollars and sucked huge.

I'm all in.
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Oct 12 @ 8:33 PM ET
Like I said previously...trade Kadri and Gardiner for a top D-man, sign Nylander and put him at center.....once he sees that he will sign and at a discount for sure....plus helps with the cap
- Leafcup

(frank) that.. He's on a great contract.
Bigdog1991
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 07.08.2015

Oct 12 @ 8:37 PM ET
Tavares has a higher offensive zone starts then Matthews FYI. took 2 minutes to look up this information.
- lonnyBohonos



Well then you are an idiot. Matthews starts in ozone 70% of the time.
Tavares starts in onzone 61.4% of the time.
And Kadri starts in ozone 48.4% of the time.

I checked the stats before I make a post. Because like you said it only took two minutes on hockey reference.

Another dumb leaf fan bites the dust!!!šŸ¤ÆšŸ‘ŒšŸ˜‚
Leafcup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Aurora, ON
Joined: 06.16.2016

Oct 12 @ 8:38 PM ET
(frank) that.. He's on a great contract.
- Arctic_AARDVARK



He doesn't have that many years left and wouldn't be paying a lot more for a good D unless you would not rather have Nylander which would make sense.....With Kadri's and Gardiner's money off the books you can have Nylander and a good D
NewfieStud
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 03.04.2013

Oct 12 @ 8:38 PM ET
What's up with McDavid these days anyway....with the half a$$ed scruff and the long greasy hair! He's starting to look like Shaggy from Scooby-doo! Must be getting ready for October 17th!
fsanford
Joined: 10.28.2009

Oct 12 @ 8:39 PM ET
$12,500,000.34.
- mjones242



I see what you did there well played
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Oct 12 @ 8:39 PM ET
Like I said previously...trade Kadri and Gardiner for a top D-man, sign Nylander and put him at center.....once he sees that he will sign and at a discount for sure....plus helps with the cap
- Leafcup


Have you got a source for this information?

Just asking.
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Oct 12 @ 8:41 PM ET
It looks good..

Matthews will get 13ish Mil...

Marner 9ish

who gives a poop about Nylander, trade him to ARI for picks..

Not hard to stay under the cap.

- Arctic_AARDVARK


Asked this the other day. Do you think the $ Nylander is asking for Dubas has set aside for a Dman?
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Oct 12 @ 8:44 PM ET
Asked this the other day. Do you think the $ Nylander is asking for Dubas has set aside for a Dman?
- Aussiepenguin


honestly dude, you'd have to ask Dubas.. If you mean cap space, then yeah maybe.. But even if he signed for 7, there would still be 5 left...
LeafGuy89
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 05.13.2017

Oct 12 @ 8:45 PM ET
Coga, our 1st unit PP isn't even close to what it was last year. Stop arguing that it is, you're wasting your time.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Oct 12 @ 8:48 PM ET
I got accosted virtually by Leaves fans before the season started by saying Matthews will get at least what Tavares got. So is that now a reality? Looks like it's a very real possibility. I think Matthews is worth more so how does that Tavares contract look?
- Aussiepenguin



looks awesome. love having both.
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