MacKinnon, Rants, Landy, Jost, and Barrie. (combined 322 pts last year in 366 games)

theres your similar combined power (your cant be matched Leafs units combined 323 pts in 383 games)

sooooo does a team putting up the same combined power in less games...is that good?
- DDM-Coga

There's an asterisk next to those stats, though, due to elevation.

Can they score at the same pace at sea level?

I doubt it.

I love these kinda threads when people have to argue that the Laffs have a good team and that's why X is doing well.

Can you imagine actually saying the Laffs have a good team? It's gone bloody soft round these parts.
- walshyleafsfan

This poop coming from a CanSucks fan?? until your team can match the LEAFS in the same era then come back and talk... till then... HUSH THE F UP

It's a good power play. It's not a match to the Leafs though.

You can argue Mac and Rantanen are equal to Matthews and Tavares, although I think after this year it might be a tougher argument for you.

Landeskog in 8 seasons has never put up as many points as Marner did in his 2nd year (maybe he's better in other areas, but we're discussing a power play).

Jost has only put up 22 points. Does anyone really think he's as dangerous offensively as Kadri, who put up two back to back 30 goal seasons?

Barrie has put up slightly more impressive numbers than Rielly so far. It's close but looking at past years Barrie wins in this comparison, although I bet Rielly gets more this year.
- Thecakeisalie

The guy said there isnt a team that cant match that fire power and in the most recent season there is the exact opposite of that, a team did match that fire power.

Jost just joined the top PP thats why I added him there even though he had 20 points as a rookie. Despite Jost rookie production, your fire power is matched in actual stats and not well I think My teams players are better than yours type of analysis.

I am not saying my teams PP guys are better than yours...thats not the point, is just this clown needs to take a look around and put some numbers to his claims...despite as impressive of talent the Leafs have on the PP, its not an outlier and a cut above other teams top production. Quickly looking up the Jets PP unit Laine, Connor, Buff, Wheeler, and scheifele, they had...you guess it 323 points combined last year

I wasn't surprised to see they had lost. Your speedy squad is going to surpass the geriatric Wild this season...
- MnGump

I think that too buddy. Teams fun and young. Young talent is producing on the NHL team now and there is more to come in Bowers, Makar and maybe Otts top pick giving them Hughes

MacKinnon, Rants, Landy, Jost, and Barrie. (combined 322 pts last year in 366 games)

theres your similar combined power (your cant be matched Leafs units combined 323 pts in 383 games)

sooooo does a team putting up the same combined power in less games...is that good?
- DDM-Coga

I guess considering a couple of those 5 leafs didn't play together on the power play last year is not really important!!?? DUH!!

Comparing Avs 5 to Leafs 5 is laughable - of course unless you are a Avs fan, you aren't one, by any chance, are you?

The guy said there isnt a team that cant match that fire power and in the most recent season there is the exact opposite of that, a team did match that fire power.

Jost just joined the top PP thats why I added him there even though he had 20 points as a rookie. Despite Jost rookie production, your fire power is matched in actual stats and not well I think My teams players are better than yours type of analysis.

I am not saying my teams PP guys are better than yours...thats not the point, is just this clown needs to take a look around and put some numbers to his claims...despite as impressive of talent the Leafs have on the PP, its not an outlier and a cut above other teams top production. Quickly looking up the Jets PP unit Laine, Connor, Buff, Wheeler, and scheifele, they had...you guess it 323 points combined last year
- DDM-Coga

Aren't we talking about this year though? We didn't have such a top heavy 1st pp unit last year. We didn't have Tavares, and Matthews was on the 2nd pp unit.
It's hard for teams to match our 1st unit, THIS YEAR.

Those numbers you are using from last year, that power play had JVR instead of Tavares at the net, and I think teh Bozek instead of Auston Matthews. Quite the upgrade.

I hate to be a leaf party pooper. But Matthews is not on same level as mcdavid. Matthews is an elite player but he has played six games against the worst teams in the league. He also has the luxury of getting Extremely sheltered minutes. Kadri is one the best defensive centers and Tavares is one of the best centers in the league. So Matthews only gets offensive zone face offs.

I know leaf fans are going to get pissed by the truth. But Matthews is not mcdavid. If they switched teams do you honestly think Matthews would score hundred plus points? Mcdavid would score 150 points if he played on the leafs.
- Bigdog1991

Please point to Leaf fans who claim Matthews is better than McDavid?
Your bitterness is misdirected.

Please point to Leaf fans who claim Matthews is better than McDavid?
Your bitterness is misdirected.
- Cooshie

You mean Eklund isn't a Leafs fan!

This is the first I've heard!

The guy said there isnt a team that cant match that fire power and in the most recent season there is the exact opposite of that, a team did match that fire power.

Jost just joined the top PP thats why I added him there even though he had 20 points as a rookie. Despite Jost rookie production, your fire power is matched in actual stats and not well I think My teams players are better than yours type of analysis.

I am not saying my teams PP guys are better than yours...thats not the point, is just this clown needs to take a look around and put some numbers to his claims...despite as impressive of talent the Leafs have on the PP, its not an outlier and a cut above other teams top production. Quickly looking up the Jets PP unit Laine, Connor, Buff, Wheeler, and scheifele, they had...you guess it 323 points combined last year
- DDM-Coga

Wow, your logic is of an 8yr old...
Was this the same Leafs first line power play last year? Did the 4 players that were on the Leafs even play together all year on the same power play? You are comparing apples and oranges. Let me speak simple to a simpleton: NO NHL HOCKEY TEAM CAN MATCH THE FIRE POWER OF THE CURRENT LEAFS NUMBER 1 POWER PLAY UNIT .

Aren't we talking about this year though? We didn't have such a top heavy 1st pp unit last year. We didn't have Tavares, and Matthews was on the 2nd pp unit.
It's hard for teams to match our 1st unit, THIS YEAR.

Those numbers you are using from last year, that power play had JVR instead of Tavares at the net, and I think teh Bozek instead of Auston Matthews. Quite the upgrade.
- Thecakeisalie

These guys must be left wing democrats. Left wingers like to create their own facts to prove their narratives.
Because last years Av's power play was similar to last years Leafs power play, regardless of the fact that Tavares, Matthews, Marner, Kadri and Rielly is a brand new PP group, they must somehow still be similar this year too.....

Some sound logic there!!

You mean Eklund isn't a Leafs fan!

This is the first I've heard!
- Thecakeisalie

Seriously, I haven't seen 1 Leaf fan say that Matthews is better. To the contrary, most posts I have read have stated McDavid is the preferred player but just super happy to have Matthews.

Wow, your logic is of an 8yr old...
Was this the same Leafs first line power play last year? Did the 4 players that were on the Leafs even play together all year on the same power play? You are comparing apples and oranges. Let me speak simple to a simpleton: NO NHL HOCKEY TEAM CAN MATCH THE FIRE POWER OF THE CURRENT LEAFS NUMBER 1 POWER PLAY UNIT .


- Cooshie

No you had Nylander instead of Tavares. Its not apples and Oranges...you are sliding in 1 new guy into an already existing group (with Taraves having the best producing out of the bunch so you are getting the benefit of his stat line)

So point still stands, your fire power isnt a clear cut above of what other teams have done. Its scary group, but other teams match it

You have played against soup can teams in Ottawa, Detroit, blackhawks and Montreal. playing 1 or 2 more games that some teams.

Lets hold off until the leafs actually play a good team. Lets not discount the fact that the Leafs have had a favourable schedule so far. They played Montreal, Ottawa, Detroit, Chicago and Dallas. Hardly playoff teams

Lets hold off until the leafs actually play a good team. Lets not discount the fact that the Leafs have had a favourable schedule so far. They played Montreal, Ottawa, Detroit, Chicago and Dallas. Hardly playoff teams
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

just said the same thing, they have beat up on soup can teams to start the year and are thinking they will have 200 point players

No you had Nylander instead of Tavares. Its not apples and Oranges...you are sliding in 1 new guy into an already existing group (with Taraves having the best producing out of the bunch so you are getting the benefit of his stat line)

So point still stands, your fire power isnt a clear cut above of what other teams have done. Its scary group, but other teams match it

You have played against soup can teams in Ottawa, Detroit, blackhawks and Montreal. playing 1 or 2 more games that some teams.
- DDM-Coga

Nylander and Matthews were both on the 2nd pp unit last year cause Babcock is Babcock.

We also didn't have Tavares, in case you missed that big hullabaloo in the media a few months back.

Last year 1st unit: Kadri, Gardiner, Bozak, JVR, Marner.
This year 1st unit: Kadri, Matthews, Tavares, Rielly, Marner. Only 2 guys are the same.

This is a much better 1st pp unit. Comparing to last year is not accurate.

Lets hold off until the leafs actually play a good team. Lets not discount the fact that the Leafs have had a favourable schedule so far. They played Montreal, Ottawa, Detroit, Chicago and Dallas. Hardly playoff teams
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

This is true, although any team can be dangerous. Leafs obviously won't sustain the current numbers all year. Plus October is often a little crazy with scoring before teams settle down a bit.

Nylander and Matthews were both on the 2nd pp unit last year cause Babcock is Babcock.

We also didn't have Tavares, in case you missed that big hullabaloo in the media a few months back.

Last year 1st unit: Kadri, Gardiner, Bozak, JVR, Marner.
This year 1st unit: Kadri, Matthews, Tavares, Rielly, Marner. Only 2 guys are the same.

This is a much better 1st pp unit. Comparing to last year is not accurate.
- Thecakeisalie

Whatever its taking the same group of 5 and stacking them up to other teams 5 based off last years production.

Bc they play together on the PP they arent going to magically double their point production or something. Its still a valid comparison based on what you can comprise with actual stats not

You guys are trying to play semantics pretending that bc they have Tavares beating up on soup can teams to start the seasons they will be the 1980s oilers now

Im trying to say the production of the Leafs new top 5 isnt in a different tier to some other teams Top 5 who are a PP Unit. They are one of the best int eh league but they arent in a league of their own

AW telling all the haters to SHOVE IT!


- .HOHO.

LOL So THAT'S how Nostrildamus got those beauties!

Whatever its taking the same group of 5 and stacking them up to other teams 5 based off last years production.

Bc they play together on the PP they arent going to magically double their point production or something. Its still a valid comparison based on what you can comprise with actual stats not

You guys are trying to play semantics pretending that bc they have Tavares beating up on soup can teams to start the seasons they will be the 1980s oilers now

Im trying to say the production of the Leafs new top 5 isnt in a different tier to some other teams Top 5 who are a PP Unit. They are one of the best int eh league but they arent in a league of their own
- DDM-Coga

Your logic is bad man.

That unit has only 2! of the same players. Comparing the production of last year is absolutely silly. It's a much better group together, making them harder to defend against, resulting in more points this year.

But if this is what you need to get through he day, have at it.

I guess we can look at the data at the end of this year and see then. Truly, 5 games in against weaker competition isn't the best benchmark.

Matthews>McDavid..

It's official.

Suck it non-Leafs fans, and especially Oinklers fans.. You're all pigeons.. Filthy, filthy pigeons.

This poop coming from a CanSucks fan?? until your team can match the LEAFS in the same era then come back and talk... till then... HUSH THE F UP
- hamzilla

Read his name

Jealousy becomes you.
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- Dr. Leaf

Jealous? Not a chance.

I have been attacked by thin skin Leafs fans who took exception to my stating that Matthews contract is likely to be higher than McDavid since it will be signed 2 years later, with a salary cap $10M higher, after a season where Matthews is killing it.

If Toronto wins the Stanley Cup, I'll be there to watch the parade. You guys need to win a round in the playoffs first.

Whatever its taking the same group of 5 and stacking them up to other teams 5 based off last years production.

Bc they play together on the PP they arent going to magically double their point production or something. Its still a valid comparison based on what you can comprise with actual stats not

You guys are trying to play semantics pretending that bc they have Tavares beating up on soup can teams to start the seasons they will be the 1980s oilers now

Im trying to say the production of the Leafs new top 5 isnt in a different tier to some other teams Top 5 who are a PP Unit. They are one of the best int eh league but they arent in a league of their own
- DDM-Coga

If you're looking at last year - the Leafs had the second best PP in the NHL, 1.2% behind the Pens with a less talented 1st unit than they ice this year, and even then they scored 1/4 times on the PP for an even 25% effectiveness.

If the Avs had so much firepower last year, wouldn't they have better results on the PP than the Leafs?

It's 5 games in sure, but the Leafs are doing exactly what fans and media expected them to do when they signed Tavares, which is score a ton of goals at even strength and PP - and that's what they're doing. If everyone wants to diminish Matthews because he's a Leaf that's fine, but he has 9 goals in 5 games, and shares the league lead in points. Period. Rielly has more points in 5 games than any other defenseman in the NHL in 100 years. Period. Stats don't lie.

And this isall without a dynamic, playmaker that can finish, 61 point winger.

Pretend it's not impressive, diminish the results, laugh when Ek suggests Matthews is at least a challenger to McJesus's reign as the best player in the NHL...the last laugh will be on you.

Hate all you want - I'm enjoying the ride...

Jealous? Not a chance.

I have been attacked by thin skin Leafs fans who took exception to my stating that Matthews contract is likely to be higher than McDavid since it will be signed 2 years later, with a salary cap $10M higher, after a season where Matthews is killing it.

If Toronto wins the Stanley Cup, I'll be there to watch the parade. You guys need to win a round in the playoffs first.
- SensFan25

Literally no one thinks he'll be paid less than McDavid now.. All the talk sports radio show people (where many sports fans get their info) pretty much agree he'll get at least McDavid.

As for winning a round, im not so worried. If the Leafs do make the Finals/ECF it wont be as some cinderella team riding the coattails of one exceptional player.

These guys must be left wing democrats. Left wingers like to create their own facts to prove their narratives.
Because last years Av's power play was similar to last years Leafs power play, regardless of the fact that Tavares, Matthews, Marner, Kadri and Rielly is a brand new PP group, they must somehow still be similar this year too.....

Some sound logic there!!
- Cooshie

As opposed to right wingers who just lie openly.
Now the only right winger we should be talking about is Willy Nylander.
No politics.
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