I was banned for TWO YEARS.
- RippedFuel

What is your dream?

This is one thing that people love to talk about and have no clue. Plenty of players have said he has emotion in the locker room between periods and behind the scenes. He was also animated on the road during the Colorado game.

I don't need to see the coach red faced. Where was the leadership of Giroux, Simmonds, Voracek last night?

Is Hakstol perfect. No. Last night was an embarrassment. I hope they pound the poop out of the Sens tonight.
- J35Bacher

Well, yes, I can't say whether or not he's vocal in the locker room because I'm not frequently in attendance. But I am glad to know that he feels it's only appropriate to voice his displeasure in 15-minute segments at intervals of 20 minutes of game time.

So yes, if they give up 3 goals in the first 10 minutes, the correct course of action is to wait an additional 10 minutes before addressing his team. Also, yes, the players themselves should have corrected the course, and they didn't. No one gets a pass.

And again, I don't want him constantly screaming at players every time they give up a goal. But after the third goal last night, with Elliott on an island, maybe, JUST MAYBE, give the team a bit of hell on the bench? Maybe, a little? Is that too ridiculous to ask?

I'm just trying to stay positive by saying that maybe they want to get their 10 game losing streak out of the way early this season...

Oh I know. But it wasn't just last night with MacDonald. he just doesn't look healthy.

Also was it me or did the Flyers not hit anyone last night?
- J35Bacher

I know Simmonds came out and threw a few after the second Pavelski goal, and I think Hagg had one early. And let's not forget Gudas injuring himself at the blue line.

But yeah, not a ton of fight last night after it started going downhill.

Well, yes, I can't say whether or not he's vocal in the locker room because I'm not frequently in attendance. But I am glad to know that he feels it's only appropriate to voice his displeasure in 15-minute segments at intervals of 20 minutes of game time.

So yes, if they give up 3 goals in the first 10 minutes, the correct course of action is to wait an additional 10 minutes before addressing his team. Also, yes, the players themselves should have corrected the course, and they didn't. No one gets a pass.

And again, I don't want him constantly screaming at players every time they give up a goal. But after the third goal last night, with Elliott on an island, maybe, JUST MAYBE, give the team a bit of hell on the bench? Maybe, a little? Is that too ridiculous to ask?
- jmatchett383

Yeah, a time out there would've been appropriate. Frankly, as utterly awful as they were last night I doubt it would've made a bit of difference, but at that point you have to give it a whirl.

Really? I didn't think he was that great last night. Maybe it's I expect a little more from him since he is paid what he is. I feel sometimes he looks good but when you really watch he doesn't do much. Like almost smoke and mirrors. you think he played well but really it was a lot of flash that didn't result anywhere.

Agree with thinking about the timeout after the 2nd SJ goal. But I guess he might be hesitant with now needing one for a challenge later on. I think any other time Pickard would have played the 2nd but with it being opening night and the Flyers were getting chances, I think he was hoping they would turn the tide and wanted to back Elliott. Just my thought
- J35Bacher

In the first period alone Voracek set up Giroux at the side of the net that should be been a goal. Giroux had a wide open net but fumbled the puck. Voracek made the play on the breakout with a great stretch bank pass to spring Giroux and Couturier on 2 on 1 in which Couturier missed a wide open net. Thise two plays should be gotten the Flyers back in the game in the first period.

What is your dream?
- Scoob

is this like a security question when youre logging into an online account??

I have no idea where we left off 2 years ago.

In the first period alone Voracek set up Giroux at the side of the net that should be been a goal. Giroux had a wide open net but fumbled the puck. Voracek made the play on the breakout with a great stretch bank pass to spring Giroux and Couturier on 2 on 1 in which Couturier missed a wide open net. Thise two plays should be gotten the Flyers back in the game in the first period.
- MJL

I agree. If Giroux doesn't flub that net-side one-timer (although, Dell was getting across, it would have been close) and Coots doesn't hit the crossbar, it's a game again.

In the first period alone Voracek set up Giroux at the side of the net that should be been a goal. Giroux had a wide open net but fumbled the puck. Voracek made the play on the breakout with a great stretch bank pass to spring Giroux and Couturier on 2 on 1 in which Couturier missed a wide open net. Thise two plays should be gotten the Flyers back in the game in the first period.
- MJL

I am not saying he didn't make some plays. Just I don't think he was great. A broken clock is right twice a day.

ANd maybe I am just bias because I am not a voracek fan.

All in all it was a terrible night and hopefully they take it out on the Sens

I know a lot of people disagree, but one of my things with Hak is the utter lack of emotion. They give up 4 goals in the first, and they pan to him, and he just has that blank stare on his face.

I'm not saying you need to be Mike Keenan or Tortarella, but something. Don't just "Ho hum, we gave up 4 goals, keep plugging away guys." When they need to be ripped into, rip into them. If you only do it when it's really necessary, it carries much more weight.

But no, standing there cool, calm, and collected as your team gets obliterated in its home opener is the way to go.
- jmatchett383

According to Keith Jones who was actually at ice level between the benches, Hakstol was very animated and vocal after the two goal SJ outburst.

I agree. If Giroux doesn't flub that net-side one-timer (although, Dell was getting across, it would have been close) and Coots doesn't hit the crossbar, it's a game again.
- jmatchett383

I know the whole night isn't close to his fault but man if Elliott makes a save on the 5 hole goal after the Flyers were dominating possession that would have been huge.

Is it just me or just because we see the Flyers more then most but doesn't it seem other teams get that save when needed?

According to Keith Jones who was actually at ice level between the benches, Hakstol was very animated and vocal after the two goal SJ outburst.
- MJL

Well then I'm glad he did show some emotion. I didn't see a clip of that, only saw the clip after the 4th goal.

I was at the game last night... stayed for the whole damn thing too.

1- People love Gritty. I love Gritty. Him making his regular season entrance the way he did was awesome lol.

2-The fans vehemently booed all of Hak, Weise, and Mac. Its distasteful, especially on opening night, but its obvious that the fan base has grown beyond tired of certain things.

3- "Elliot battled": Forget that. Yes he did not get much help at all.. but we started off with a ton of pressure and had a couple good looks early and then he gives up two really soft goals on the first three shots he sees. Took the wind completely out of the sails of the team.

4-The fact that this team is so easily deflated is extremely problematic. They caved and had ZERO fight in them. A decade ago this org. would not have stood for that type of beating in any game let alone on home ice and on opening night.

5-The only players I thought even played remotely well was the second line, Laughton (top player in my eyes), Raffl, and Voracek. G and Ghost werent horrible, but the effort just wasnt there for most of the night.

6- I sat right behind Hak. That man seriously is the definition of stoic. Down 4-0 in the first and not a single emotion escapes him. No yelling. No bs with the refs (despite an OBVIOUS crosscheck on Ghost which resulted in the third goal), and zero attempt (outside of the locker) so slow the onslaught. He should have used a timeout after that second goal. Two goals mere seconds apart, early on in your home opener. We were rattled and were never able to get our pace back. We were constantly on our heels. I think the Sharks had something like 26 shots on net through the first period. Insane that he did not even try to slow things down. Also, IDGAF if were playing tonight in OTT.. Pickard should have started that second period.

7- I have been to about a hundred games in my life.. I have never been to a game where the place was that empty to start the third period... even during the 06-07 season. It was about a third filled. Everyone knew that nothing exciting was gonna happen, primarily because this team lacks true character.

All around, the worst opening night game I have ever been to. Also, extremely surprised that there was no giveaway on opening night. Wild. Total let down.

I don't think anyone is exempt from criticism last night, but man oh man AMac looks completely lost. It's just bad read after bad read. Either that, or he just physically can't get to where he needs to be. And I know some will say it's overblown, but after the second goal, defending an in-zone 2-on-2, he kept retreating until he was about 5 feet from the crease and just let the dude walk in.

But, playing Myers over AMac (or anyone) last night wouldn't have made a difference.
- jmatchett383

I think its a combo of both. He'll get better

I know the whole night isn't close to his fault but man if Elliott makes a save on the 5 hole goal after the Flyers were dominating possession that would have been huge.

Is it just me or just because we see the Flyers more then most but doesn't it seem other teams get that save when needed?
- J35Bacher

It does seem that way a lot.

I agree. If Giroux doesn't flub that net-side one-timer (although, Dell was getting across, it would have been close) and Coots doesn't hit the crossbar, it's a game again.
- jmatchett383

They didn't have much luck and they certainly didn't make any luck of their own. They had chances to make it closer, but it was one of those games where you just take the L and move on. Elliott made things look harder than they needed to I think, but he got almost no help.

What are they supposed to do against a backup goalie too? It is an uphill battle at that point.

And again, I don't want him constantly screaming at players every time they give up a goal. But after the third goal last night, with Elliott on an island, maybe, JUST MAYBE, give the team a bit of hell on the bench? Maybe, a little? Is that too ridiculous to ask?
- jmatchett383

I don't know if a stoic coach or emotional coach is better in the long run. I do know that emotions can change an individuals effort. Players hated Iron Mike because he made them responsible and embarrassed them when they messed up. But then again he kept on getting hired because he was a great teacher. He did get results. I'm not saying that Hak should do an Iron Mike, but holding the Vets a little more responsible by cutting some ice time for lack of effort or not doing their best up should be considered.

I was at the game last night... stayed for the whole damn thing too.

1- People love Gritty. I love Gritty. Him making his regular season entrance the way he did was awesome lol.

- jak521

I didn't see what that was btw....care to fill me in?

Well then I'm glad he did show some emotion. I didn't see a clip of that, only saw the clip after the 4th goal.
- jmatchett383

This goes on constantly. It's a mistake for anyone to think they know how a coach reacts behind the bench from the brief glimpses we get on TV

I was at the game last night... stayed for the whole damn thing too.

1- People love Gritty. I love Gritty. Him making his regular season entrance the way he did was awesome lol.

2-The fans vehemently booed all of Hak, Weise, and Mac. Its distasteful, especially on opening night, but its obvious that the fan base has grown beyond tired of certain things.

3- "Elliot battled": Forget that. Yes he did not get much help at all.. but we started off with a ton of pressure and had a couple good looks early and then he gives up two really soft goals on the first three shots he sees. Took the wind completely out of the sails of the team.

4-The fact that this team is so easily deflated is extremely problematic. They caved and had ZERO fight in them. A decade ago this org. would not have stood for that type of beating in any game let alone on home ice and on opening night.

5-The only players I thought even played remotely well was the second line, Laughton (top player in my eyes), Raffl, and Voracek. G and Ghost werent horrible, but the effort just wasnt there for most of the night.

6- I sat right behind Hak. That man seriously is the definition of stoic. Down 4-0 in the first and not a single emotion escapes him. No yelling. No bs with the refs (despite an OBVIOUS crosscheck on Ghost which resulted in the third goal), and zero attempt (outside of the locker) so slow the onslaught. He should have used a timeout after that second goal. Two goals mere seconds apart, early on in your home opener. We were rattled and were never able to get our pace back. We were constantly on our heels. I think the Sharks had something like 26 shots on net through the first period. Insane that he did not even try to slow things down. Also, IDGAF if were playing tonight in OTT.. Pickard should have started that second period.

7- I have been to about a hundred games in my life.. I have never been to a game where the place was that empty to start the third period... even during the 06-07 season. It was about a third filled. Everyone knew that nothing exciting was gonna happen, primarily because this team lacks true character.

All around, the worst opening night game I have ever been to. Also, extremely surprised that there was no giveaway on opening night. Wild. Total let down.
- jak521

This is problematic, and it stems from leadership, and that includes players like Giroux and Simmonds. It seems like, if they get down early, they just accept defeat. Thinking back to even the Richards era, the team would usually get pissed and come out and at least take a pound of flesh and try to turn the game. But this team just kinda goes through the motions sometimes after they're down.

This team won't be worth watching till Hak is sent back on a bus to North Dakota. One can only hope Hextall has the courage to make that move sooner rather than later.

This goes on constantly. It's a mistake for anyone to think they know how a coach reacts behind the bench from the brief glimpses we get on TV
- MJL

Fair enough.

I was at the game last night... stayed for the whole damn thing too.

1- People love Gritty. I love Gritty. Him making his regular season entrance the way he did was awesome lol.

2-The fans vehemently booed all of Hak, Weise, and Mac. Its distasteful, especially on opening night, but its obvious that the fan base has grown beyond tired of certain things.

3- "Elliot battled": Forget that. Yes he did not get much help at all.. but we started off with a ton of pressure and had a couple good looks early and then he gives up two really soft goals on the first three shots he sees. Took the wind completely out of the sails of the team.

4-The fact that this team is so easily deflated is extremely problematic. They caved and had ZERO fight in them. A decade ago this org. would not have stood for that type of beating in any game let alone on home ice and on opening night.

5-The only players I thought even played remotely well was the second line, Laughton (top player in my eyes), Raffl, and Voracek. G and Ghost werent horrible, but the effort just wasnt there for most of the night.

6- I sat right behind Hak. That man seriously is the definition of stoic. Down 4-0 in the first and not a single emotion escapes him. No yelling. No bs with the refs (despite an OBVIOUS crosscheck on Ghost which resulted in the third goal), and zero attempt (outside of the locker) so slow the onslaught. He should have used a timeout after that second goal. Two goals mere seconds apart, early on in your home opener. We were rattled and were never able to get our pace back. We were constantly on our heels. I think the Sharks had something like 26 shots on net through the first period. Insane that he did not even try to slow things down. Also, IDGAF if were playing tonight in OTT.. Pickard should have started that second period.

7- I have been to about a hundred games in my life.. I have never been to a game where the place was that empty to start the third period... even during the 06-07 season. It was about a third filled. Everyone knew that nothing exciting was gonna happen, primarily because this team lacks true character.

All around, the worst opening night game I have ever been to. Also, extremely surprised that there was no giveaway on opening night. Wild. Total let down.
- jak521

Majority of fans are clueless. The 2 on 1 goal was not a soft goal.

This team won't be worth watching till Hak is sent back on a bus to North Dakota. One can only hope Hextall has the courage to make that move sooner rather than later.
- Feanor

+1

I don't know if a stoic coach or emotional coach is better in the long run. I do know that emotions can change an individuals effort. Players hated Iron Mike because he made them responsible and embarrassed them when they messed up. But then again he kept on getting hired because he was a great teacher. He did get results. I'm not saying that Hak should do an Iron Mike, but holding the Vets a little more responsible by cutting some ice time for lack of effort or not doing their best up should be considered.
- RustyPipes

Well, again, I don't want a Keenan type, because if you are constantly berating players, it just becomes overbearing. I'm saying I want a coach who isn't afraid to rip his players in the middle of a game when it's really necessary, like last night.

As MJL pointed out, since I'm not at most games, I can't say whether or not he does this often.