Frank Nylander

He says 'he doesn't know anymore than us'... What the hell? Does his agent not communicate with him what Toronto is offering? Doesn't Willy actually have the final say? Of course the agent will stretch this out to try and get 8 million or whatever ludicrous number he is asking for... does an agent not get a percentage??? Basically, all the agents are bloodsucking lawyers...

If you are dealing with a real estate AGENT they communicate to you what the other party is offering and there is a negotiation that happens. The AGENT is just your representative, but you are actually making the decisions...

Trade this loser for a d-man...
- Hockey_Reverend

Maybe a hockey players takes the word of an agent who negotiates contracts for a living. If someone said to you I can get you 3 or 4 million more if you just do what I say.. Id say ok..please get me more money

assuming a longer term 6/7/8 years ..it would be around 7.
I think thats were he should fall

might be best just to bridge at this point. delay the issue and see how the next 2 seasons play out. Also he then can see what happened with the other 2 contracts
- senstroll

A show-me contract would work for both parties, really. For one thing, it would pass the Marleau contract, opening up additional space. For another, it's responsible. I think Nylander is very talented. I also, like I think a lot of us here, don't know yet if he has the ability to rise to the occasion and play in the dirty areas when it's called for (like in the playoffs). Someone else would probably know better than I, but I remember when Samsonov was fantastic, and then just dropped off completely. He was strictly a peripheral player, and became a decent skating afterthought. Looking at hockey-reference, it looks like was badly injured in 2002, so that was likely the catalyst.

Bottom line is that if Nylander can't be more than he is, he shouldn't get more than $5m. Based on what I've seen from him - good skater, great shot, creative . . . he's very good, but he's probably never going to deserve much more than $7-8m anyway, so make him prove it and earn it.

Willy wanting a fair deal and all, and wants to be with the leafs, and has to think about his future in all this, sounds like he wants his cake and eat it too. I get you want to get paid and all, but at the same time you are getting to be on a team thats stacked. The guy is scared to take a check, probably to not mess with his beautiful face I dunno, not sure he puts up the same numbers on a mediorce team.

Marner > Willy hands down. More complete player. He deservers the 8 Mil, and I can see Mitchy leaving a bit to stay thats why I say 8 mil. He had the oposite face of McJesus when the leafs drafted him.

Mathews is at least JT money, but probably 12. That right there is potentially 31 Mil of Cap space alone.

Oi, I love that JT is a leaf, but him plus Mathews on the payroll eats up quite a piece of the pie.
- mel_vin

Marner is going to get 10+
Matthews is going to get 14

We may not like these numbers but I believe that is the ballpark we are talking.

There is no room for Nylander, even at 6 I don't see it happening.

If Nylander sat the whole year...do we own his rights an extra year or is he 1 year closer to UFA?
- Garnie

I think players are RFA's until they're 27 or have played 7 years in the NHL. I could be wrong though

Not that I disagree with your claim Garnie but....

Should Nylander take a pay cut because he's playing on a stacked team?

If he was playing for.... let's say Ottawa or Montreal, he'd be their best young star player.
- Scabeh

So?

he isn't playing on those teams.

He is playing on a team where he is the 4th or 5th best forward.

Hey, more power to him, he can ask whatever he wants. In the end, he has to choose, does he want the bigger bucks on a weaker team? Or does he want a shot at the cup.

The fact that he is hiding behind his agent, and they are pricing themselves well above Pastrnak ( ) makes me just wish they would trade him.

A show-me contract would work for both parties, really. For one thing, it would pass the Marleau contract, opening up additional space. For another, it's responsible. I think Nylander is very talented. I also, like I think a lot of us here, don't know yet if he has the ability to rise to the occasion and play in the dirty areas when it's called for (like in the playoffs). Someone else would probably know better than I, but I remember when Samsonov was fantastic, and then just dropped off completely. He was strictly a peripheral player, and became a decent skating afterthought. Looking at hockey-reference, it looks like was badly injured in 2002, so that was likely the catalyst.

Bottom line is that if Nylander can't be more than he is, he shouldn't get more than $5m. Based on what I've seen from him - good skater, great shot, creative . . . he's very good, but he's probably never going to deserve much more than $7-8m anyway, so make him prove it and earn it.
- Monkeypunk

Nylander has more playoff points than Matthews in the same amount of games played.

Are we looking to bridge Matthews for the same reasons?

Blow it up!

FML


- .HOHO.

Nylander has more playoff points than Matthews in the same amount of games played.

Are we looking to bridge Matthews for the same reasons?
- walshyleafsfan

Put Nylander and Matthews on the open market.

Who gets more?

Marner is going to get 10+
Matthews is going to get 14

We may not like these numbers but I believe that is the ballpark we are talking.

There is no room for Nylander, even at 6 I don't see it happening.
- Aetherial

Matthews should not be the highest paid player in the league.
Marner may do it this year, but at this point, he has not shown that he deserves that much money either.

We can love them both, but they haven't proven they're worth that value.

Marner is going to get 10+
Matthews is going to get 14

We may not like these numbers but I believe that is the ballpark we are talking.

There is no room for Nylander, even at 6 I don't see it happening.
- Aetherial

What the actual (frank)?

How are they asking for that? How the (frank) is Marner gonna make over 10 mil next year? What is happening here? He's not gonna score 120 points this year.

Why are Leafs players getting paid massive amounts of money all of a sudden? How is anyone successful in this league? We only have 5 good players for (frank)s sake.

What is the Capitals cap hit? 100 mil?

This has gone way too far it ain't funny. I miss 2005-2015.

Put Nylander and Matthews on the open market.

Who gets more?
- Aetherial

The Centre

Maybe a hockey players takes the word of an agent who negotiates contracts for a living. If someone said to you I can get you 3 or 4 million more if you just do what I say.. Id say ok..please get me more money
- senstroll

Yes, but the agent needs to relay what is going on with the player??? Nylander said he knows nothing...? Really? He is just playing video games and pickup hockey in Sweden and doesn't know anything?

This looks bad on Nylander, not the Leafs at all. No one thinks he is worth 8 million. If that is the ask, good bye.

Nylander has more playoff points than Matthews in the same amount of games played.

Are we looking to bridge Matthews for the same reasons?
- walshyleafsfan

You're baiting . . . but you might use it as a negotiating point if he sucks in this year's playoffs, too.

Realistically, Matthews is a Franchise player, Nylander is a good player.

6y, 5.25mln per year
- plantheparade

so there you go... call Nylander offer him the same.

then before he has a chance to answer... tell him he's being dealt for Lindholm if he doesn't sign.

signing bonus is HoHo's hat... washed.

Yes, but the agent needs to relay what is going on with the player??? Nylander said he knows nothing...? Really? He is just playing video games and pickup hockey in Sweden and doesn't know anything?

This looks bad on Nylander, not the Leafs at all. No one thinks he is worth 8 million. If that is the ask, good bye.
- Hockey_Reverend

I do think there's another point here... the same doinks that had Tavares signing anywhere but Toronto, LeBrun hinting repeatedly that the Habs were getting a truck ready for him blah blah blah... there's so MANY more attractive options than Toronto....


now THEY are saying Nylander's asking for 8+... I think they are only speculating... just like they are saying Matthews at 12.5 and Marner at 10+...

all bullshyte

We ain't gonna squeeze Kapanen at 4.5, Dermott at 6.25 or Johnsson at 4.1 in either.

We're gonna have to go with a 12 man roster

What the actual (frank)?

How are they asking for that? How the (frank) is Marner gonna make over 10 mil next year? What is happening here? He's not gonna score 120 points this year.

Why are Leafs players getting paid massive amounts of money all of a sudden? How is anyone successful in this league? We only have 5 good players for (frank)s sake.

What is the Capitals cap hit? 100 mil?

This has gone way too far it ain't funny. I miss 2005-2015.
- walshyleafsfan

Will Marner score more than Eichel? More than Draisaitl? How about more than Matthews?

If he puts up 70 pts., then yeah he is not in that ballpark. But he might be the biggest scorer on the team.

Matthews? How many teams are lining up to offersheet a legit #1C and top 5 player in the league. Matthews could be that after this year. We know he is not better than McDavid, but if the Sharks threw 13 at Tavares... and what about the Habs...

I am with you Walshy. I think this is a pretty disappointing situation pretty scary going forward. At some point, some team has to just trade one of these holdouts to a team like Ottawa, or let them sit past Dec 1 and shave a year off their career.

it is out of hand.

I do think there's another point here... the same doinks that had Tavares signing anywhere but Toronto, LeBrun hinting repeatedly that the Habs were getting a truck ready for him blah blah blah... there's so MANY more attractive options than Toronto....


now THEY are saying Nylander's asking for 8+... I think they are only speculating... just like they are saying Matthews at 12.5 and Marner at 10+...

all bullshyte
- BorjeFan4Ever

I sure hope this is true...

Marner is going to get 10+
Matthews is going to get 14

We may not like these numbers but I believe that is the ballpark we are talking.

There is no room for Nylander, even at 6 I don't see it happening.
- Aetherial

I don't know whether you are serious or are being sarcastic... but based on what is Matthews paid 2+ more than McDavid?

Why has Marner earned more than Seguin, Benn and host of others?

We ain't gonna squeeze Kapanen at 4.5, Dermott at 6.25 or Johnsson at 4.1 in either.

We're gonna have to go with a 12 man roster
- walshyleafsfan

naw... just 12 rookies making the league minimum

Wait a minute, isn't that Melnyk's plan?

I don't know whether you are serious or are being sarcastic... but based on what is Matthews paid 2+ more than McDavid?

Why has Marner earned more than Seguin, Benn and host of others?
- BorjeFan4Ever

I am not debating the "worth".

I am saying there is a real possibllity those end up being the numbers. It isn't about what we think, it is about what the market is, and what other teams may do.

Will Marner score more than Eichel? More than Draisaitl? How about more than Matthews?

If he puts up 70 pts., then yeah he is not in that ballpark. But he might be the biggest scorer on the team.

Matthews? How many teams are lining up to offersheet a legit #1C and top 5 player in the league. Matthews could be that after this year. We know he is not better than McDavid, but if the Sharks threw 13 at Tavares... and what about the Habs...

I am with you Walshy. I think this is a pretty disappointing situation pretty scary going forward. At some point, some team has to just trade one of these holdouts to a team like Ottawa, or let them sit past Dec 1 and shave a year off their career.

it is out of hand.
- Aetherial

But here's the rub.

With Nylander - He has no leverage. Non whatsoever. The system is set up for that to happen. Are people actually suggesting he sits out a year and not play in the NHL? Seriously, just go and play in Sweden? Russia? William Nylander? Then what when next year roles round? Back at the negotiation table. Does Nylander now have any leverage? Nope. Maybe he'll do this until he's 26. Maybe this is the 1st and only time this will happen? Or, is it more likely, he signs a bridge deal which has been suggested by a number of us multiple times. Then he can see what Matthews and Marner get and cash in with Horton/Marleau money.

Marner - People are petrified he's somehow going to crack 100 points. Last year, Kucherov, Giroux and McDavid cracked 100. Would it be weird to see Kucherov, McDavid, Giroux and Marner to be over 100? Some may say no, i say yes absolutely. God love Mitch, but he ain't the 4th highest scorer in the NHL this year

Matthews - Face of the Franchise - Auston, we got your boy Tavares to sign for us. It'll mean that you will get easier matchups from time to time. No longer will ovther teams have the decision of matching up against you or Tyler Bozak. It'll be you or Judas. He's been around a while, has 622 points in 670 games, earned his free agency after playing for a poop show his whole career. He makes 11m. How does 11m sound to you? Then, when you're his age you can do it all over again.

I know people either love or hate the Leafs, so you'll get all sorts of posts, but some of these salaries people are throwing around (assuming i because they're Leafs players) is insane. For some reason, they think Leafs should have 4 of the top 15 paid players in the NHL.

I am not debating the "worth".

I am saying there is a real possibllity those end up being the numbers. It isn't about what we think, it is about what the market is, and what other teams may do.
- Aetherial

I would hope that i) that Nylander is dumb enough to be asking for 8M+
ii) that the Leafs aren't offering a penny more than what Patrnak got... because then they can legitimately base contracts on performance
iii) if they sign Nylander reasonably... say Pastrnak money - then go to Matthews and offer him 10-11/8... tell him if asks for more Marner is gone

hard ball with RFAs

For some reason, they think Leafs should have 4 of the top 15 paid players in the NHL.


- walshyleafsfan

. . . while insisting that none of the Leafs players are in the top 20 players in the league and are all way overrated.

I am not debating the "worth".

I am saying there is a real possibllity those end up being the numbers. It isn't about what we think, it is about what the market is, and what other teams may do.
- Aetherial

How is the market for Marner more than the market for Kucherov, Stamkos, Sheifiefeliiee, Barkov, Seguin?

I don't understand the massive jump of salaries for Leafs players, despite there being extremely similar players out there to compare.