Islanders offered 8 years, AAV $11.25M I believe.

Heard Sharks were "north of $13M a year", but I'm not sure on term.

Nylander is a very good player, but like all scoring wingers, they're never going to compete with centers, so he needs to really special to be making north of 8M a year.

7.5M is the right number for Nylander.
- gravyface

Scoring wingers are UFAs all the time. Just look at next year. Skinner, Panarin, Stone, Duchene, Eberle, Simmonds, Nyqvist etc. all UFAs.

7 or less is the right number. When Marleau retires, Nylander should get his money plus 1 million more which fits as the cap rises.

Just read an article that Nylander could take a 1 year deal and have all three of the big three sit out next year.

Then I thought about it...if Nylander is that big of an ass Dubas would ship him to Carolina for whatever they are offering up.
- Santo_44

Also, what do they think they are sitting out for...

There is only so much money. This is NOT a question of the Leafs being cheap. This is NOT a question of the Leafs having a bunch of money tied in bad contracts. There is literally only so much they can do. If Nylander is the price for keeping Matthews and Marner, I am ok with that.

Scoring wingers are UFAs all the time. Just look at next year. Skinner, Panarin, Stone, Duchene, Eberle, Simmonds, Nyqvist etc. all UFAs.

7 or less is the right number. When Marleau retires, Nylander should get his money plus 1 million more which fits as the cap rises.
- Unholy_Goalie

A lot of those will resign though; the crop always looks better the year before.

I think 7.5M is fair for a 7-year deal. Draisatl's deal is what Nylander is using as a comparable and I don't think it's accurate compared to Tarasenko, Kutznezov, Johansen, all guys who had a longer track record of success.

A lot of those will resign though; the crop always looks better the year before.

I think 7.5M is fair for a 7-year deal. Draisatl's deal is what Nylander is using as a comparable and I don't think it's accurate compared to Tarasenko, Kutznezov, Johansen, all guys who had a longer track record of success.
- gravyface

A lot of them will but a couple won't. Even if you have to trade for one, the Kessel deal is exactly what the Leafs could do except this time it would be the right time to do it.

They can't compare him to one contract. They just can't. If there are 10 guys out there who are comparable, the one outlier isn't what they should be talking about. The majority of the contracts were not like Draisatl and neither should Nylander's. It's ridiculous. Nylander wants 8, the Leafs offer 6, they'll end up somewhere in the middle. It's just a matter of who caves first and if it ends at 6.5 or 7.5 or bang down the middle at 7. Nylander is losing more than the Leafs are, that's for sure. The Leafs will score goals, with or without Nylander. That's 90% of the reason why I think he's the perfect candidate to get traded for a top pair RHD. He's surplus.

Islanders offered 8 years, AAV $11.25M I believe.

Heard Sharks were "north of $13M a year", but I'm not sure on term.

Nylander is a very good player, but like all scoring wingers, they're never going to compete with centers, so he needs to really special to be making north of 8M a year.

7.5M is the right number for Nylander.
- gravyface

No.

Not a penny more than Pastrnak. He isn't as good. He isn't as good as Draisaitl.

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I'd guess that San Jose offer was most likely a last minute overpayment to try and sway him with cash when they realized they were losing the bidding war. I doubt San Jose walked up on the first offer and threw 13 million at him.
- Unholy_Goalie

Hard to say, although the SN article someone posted the other day about that stuff suggested they might have offered a big pitch right from the start.

"Wilson wouldn’t discuss San Jose’s pitch, but word is he told Tavares, “You are the final piece for us.” It has also been rumoured (but never confirmed) that the Sharks were willing to pay $13.5 million per year for seven years. “That was a confident group,” one source says. “They felt they were the best option for John, and they showed it.”

This doesn't even confirm the number, so who knows, but it kinda suggests they may have made that big offer right from the get go. That quote is from when they were making the initial meetings in California or wherever it was. Who knows.

A lot of them will but a couple won't. Even if you have to trade for one, the Kessel deal is exactly what the Leafs could do except this time it would be the right time to do it.

They can't compare him to one contract. They just can't. If there are 10 guys out there who are comparable, the one outlier isn't what they should be talking about. The majority of the contracts were not like Draisatl and neither should Nylander's. It's ridiculous. Nylander wants 8, the Leafs offer 6, they'll end up somewhere in the middle. It's just a matter of who caves first and if it ends at 6.5 or 7.5 or bang down the middle at 7. Nylander is losing more than the Leafs are, that's for sure. The Leafs will score goals, with or without Nylander. That's 90% of the reason why I think he's the perfect candidate to get traded for a top pair RHD. He's surplus.
- Unholy_Goalie

And you may be right, but it might not be this year that he gets traded.

One of the luxuries of having a young core is that the window is just opening up now. Yeah, Marleau will be gone eventually, but one of our wingers should get pushed up in the lineup (Kapanen) and hopefully someone else is knocking on the door (Bracco).

Hard to say, although the SN article someone posted the other day about that stuff suggested they might have offered a big pitch right from the start.

"Wilson wouldn’t discuss San Jose’s pitch, but word is he told Tavares, “You are the final piece for us.” It has also been rumoured (but never confirmed) that the Sharks were willing to pay $13.5 million per year for seven years. “That was a confident group,” one source says. “They felt they were the best option for John, and they showed it.”

This doesn't even confirm the number, so who knows, but it kinda suggests they may have made that big offer right from the get go. Who knows.
- Thecakeisalie

Generally speaking, negotiations rarely start with the biggest number possible; they usually end there.

And again, a lot of it is PR because the more it looks like he left on the table, the more it looks like he loves the Leafs and negates the fact that in reality he's overpaid at 11 million a year for 80 points.

A lot of them will but a couple won't. Even if you have to trade for one, the Kessel deal is exactly what the Leafs could do except this time it would be the right time to do it.

They can't compare him to one contract. They just can't. If there are 10 guys out there who are comparable, the one outlier isn't what they should be talking about. The majority of the contracts were not like Draisatl and neither should Nylander's. It's ridiculous. Nylander wants 8, the Leafs offer 6, they'll end up somewhere in the middle. It's just a matter of who caves first and if it ends at 6.5 or 7.5 or bang down the middle at 7. Nylander is losing more than the Leafs are, that's for sure. The Leafs will score goals, with or without Nylander. That's 90% of the reason why I think he's the perfect candidate to get traded for a top pair RHD. He's surplus.
- Unholy_Goalie

If the Dman is significant, the Leafs will have to add. I am OK with that.

I suspect there is as much trade talk as there is contract talk at this point.

And you may be right, but it might not be this year that he gets traded.

One of the luxuries of having a young core is that the window is just opening up now. Yeah, Marleau will be gone eventually, but one of our wingers should get pushed up in the lineup (Kapanen) and hopefully someone else is knocking on the door (Bracco).
- gravyface

And that's why I was saying, let him inflate his numbers this year, get him signed to a bridge deal and move him for a RHD at the draft or whenever possible for the highest possible price.

And that's why I was saying, let him inflate his numbers this year, get him signed to a bridge deal and move him for a RHD at the draft or whenever possible for the highest possible price.
- Unholy_Goalie

not bad

If the Dman is significant, the Leafs will have to add. I am OK with that.

I suspect there is as much trade talk as there is contract talk at this point.
- Aetherial

I'm OK with it too. Liljegren, Sandin, 1st round pick; whatever it takes, as long as it brings in a legit top pair RHD in his prime. You can restock the prospect pool but you can't get a Norris candidate from within the system because the Leafs simply don't have one waiting from within.

Also, what do they think they are sitting out for...

There is only so much money. This is NOT a question of the Leafs being cheap. This is NOT a question of the Leafs having a bunch of money tied in bad contracts. There is literally only so much they can do. If Nylander is the price for keeping Matthews and Marner, I am ok with that.
- Aetherial

Exactly.

Dubas said he was confident he can get them all three signed to good contracts. He preached that he wants to them to know what they are signing up for by being patient.

He will either be signed 6+ years or shipped to a team that likely won’t have a good chance to win in the short term.

And that's why I was saying, let him inflate his numbers this year, get him signed to a bridge deal and move him for a RHD at the draft or whenever possible for the highest possible price.
- Unholy_Goalie

Think a bridge deal just hurts his value long-term.

Think a bridge deal just hurts his value long-term.
- gravyface

Depends on the team. An over-payment long term deal could hurt his value too.

Not when Nylander comes back and is back up to normal speed. No chance 3 Cs should be together consistently if they can avoid it and when Nylander comes back, they'll be able to avoid it.

Nylander / Tavares / Matthews
Marner / Rielly or Gardiner
- Unholy_Goalie

When Nylander comes back he will not be on the first PP unit, I don't get how you'd even get that into your head

When Nylander comes back he will not be on the first PP unit, I don't get how you'd even get that into your head
- Archaic

If you meant, not right away, yeah, possibly, he might get benched for being out of practice and holding out, but eventually, when he's back up to normal speed and everything is smoothed out, there's no question he belongs on the top PP over Kadri for multiple reasons.

Kadri is a C and Nylander is a more effective scorer than Kadri. Stacking 3 centers on the same line creates a bad match-up if the penalty gets killed. It makes zero sense to leave Nylander out of the top PP unit if he's available.