I liked Ennis in the pre season.

To me he was better than Brown and has earned the start. If he faulters by all means switch him but he has been good
- Santo_44

Of course he looked good. Look who he played with. I think Kapanen or Brown should have been given a shot with that line ahead of Ennis even in preseason. We drafted and developed those guys. What had Ennis earned with this team to even be on that line right away.

Of course he looked good. Look who he played with. I think Kapanen or Brown should have been given a shot with that line ahead of Ennis even in preseason. We drafted and developed those guys. What had Ennis earned with this team to even be on that line right away.
- systemtool

Brown has been givin a shot and has been good and bad. Ennis looked pretty good and seemed to be a fit...I see no harm in trying it in a regular season game.

I don’t think you go wrong in either form. Kadri has seemed to fit well eight brown...why mix that up?

I think his stubbornness gets mistaken for an opinion...he won’t think the same as you and just because he thinks player x is better and deserves a longer leash does not mean he is stubborn.

I’m sure you have players you would give longer leashes to, or would play more than others, higher in the lineup, ect.
- Santo_44

I meant more along the lines of Komo for example. It was painfully obvious, yet he refused to budge until he couldn't justify it anymore. Or playing Hyman as a first liner and didnt make a change until Matthews had to put some sense into him.

I think his stubbornness gets mistaken for an opinion...he won’t think the same as you and just because he thinks player x is better and deserves a longer leash does not mean he is stubborn.

I’m sure you have players you would give longer leashes to, or would play more than others, higher in the lineup, ect.
- Santo_44

Yes he is stubborn. Komarov. End of story.

Brown has been givin a shot and has been good and bad. Ennis looked pretty good and seemed to be a fit...I see no harm in trying it in a regular season game.

I don’t think you go wrong in either form. Kadri has seemed to fit well eight brown...why mix that up?
- Santo_44

I would have given that spot to Kapanen ahead of Brown, but again im sure either would look good playing with Matthews and Marleau. Like Ennis did. Id rather give that spot to guys we drafted and developed than a random who has no future here.

I meant more along the lines of Komo for example. It was painfully obvious, yet he refused to budge until he couldn't justify it anymore. Or playing Hymen as a first liner and didnt make a change until Matthews had to put some sense into him.
- systemtool

I agree. I didn’t like Komo’s playing time.

Maybe he was trying to reduce the young guys mins idk...but he gets results with the choices he makes. There isn’t a person on this planet you will always agree with.

I agree. I didn’t like Komo’s playing time.

Maybe he was trying to reduce the young guys mins idk...but he gets results with the choices he makes. There isn’t a person on this planet you will always agree with.
- Santo_44

This is true. In the end i trust Babcock, but Ennis is one of the few things about him ive questioned. I hope im wrong about it!

Yes he is stubborn. Komarov. End of story.
- Unholy_Goalie

So you are saying that he chose to believe something that most people didn’t? But instead of listening to them he kept repeating his actions?

Hmmm sounds very familiar....stubborn you say?

So you are saying that he chose to believe something that most people didn’t? But instead of listening to them he kept repeating his actions?

Hmmm sounds very familiar....stubborn you say?


- Santo_44

ouch. touche.

This is true. In the end i trust Babcock, but Ennis is one of the few things about him ive questioned. I hope im wrong about it!
- systemtool

I hope so to

He has done a good job so far

How does an AHL player loan work? I'm assuming the leafs pay Gagner but his caphit is still against the nucks?

I hope so to

He has done a good job so far
- Santo_44

This team needs to win a playoff series at the very least. If they cant pull it off, Babcock is going to the carry most of that blame. Its all on him now. In Babschlong i trust.

enjoy missing the season opener on here
- Dozzer

Popping that banhammer cherry a day before the season.
Nice!

How does an AHL player loan work? I'm assuming the leafs pay Gagner but his caphit is still against the nucks?
- HealthyScratch6

It's an AHL loan and it looks like a pretty stupid move right now because the Leafs have a lot of young guys who are better off with that ice-time than Gagner.

Popping that banhammer cherry a day before the season.
Nice!
- Fakepartofme

I figured 3 days were in order

It's an AHL loan and it looks like a pretty stupid move right now because the Leafs have a lot of young guys who are better off with that ice-time than Gagner.
- Unholy_Goalie

Doesn't answer my question at all.

Doesn't answer my question at all.
- HealthyScratch6

It's just an AHL loan. It's simple. The Marlies pay his AHL salary (probably) but on the NHL level, the Canucks eat the cap hit, minus the 850K they save for having him sent down. The Leafs eat nothing of the cap space and will probably just pay his inflated AHL salary to play for the Marlies.

https://www.pensionplanpu...layers-loans-acquisitions

Just to clarify how this works:

his cap hit counts for the Canucks, not the Leafs
the Canucks have the right to recall him, and if they play him for over nine games or 29 days, he has to clear waivers to be loaned back
he’s still under contract to the Canucks for next season
this does not count against the Leafs’ SPC count
he cannot play on the Leafs
no one will ever tell us who is paying what part of his salary

Depending on the match-up, they can go back and forth. Kapanen's speed and Brown's defensive responsibility give them two perfectly good RW to play with Matthews.

I'm starting to think Ennis is going to be Babcock's new pet, like Komarov, whom he trusts way too much for reasons nobody understands but him.
- Unholy_Goalie

Ennis is a placeholder for Nylander. Let Kap and Brown build chemistry where they will be playing for the rest of the season.

It's just an AHL loan. It's simple. The Marlies pay his AHL salary (probably) but on the NHL level, the Canucks eat the cap hit, minus the 850K they save for having him sent down. The Leafs eat nothing of the cap space and will probably just pay his inflated AHL salary to play for the Marlies.

https://www.pensionplanpu...layers-loans-acquisitions

Just to clarify how this works:

his cap hit counts for the Canucks, not the Leafs
the Canucks have the right to recall him, and if they play him for over nine games or 29 days, he has to clear waivers to be loaned back
he’s still under contract to the Canucks for next season
this does not count against the Leafs’ SPC count
he cannot play on the Leafs
no one will ever tell us who is paying what part of his salary
- Unholy_Goalie

i dont see how or why anyone would take issue with this.

i dont see how or why anyone would take issue with this.
- systemtool

Just eats up prospect playing time. Rather Bracco or other young guys who actually have a future with the team getting that ice-time.

Vancouver will probably buy him out next year and Gagner will end up with the Leafs next year on a 1 year, 1 million (or less) dollar deal and replace Ennis or something.

Ennis is a placeholder for Nylander. Let Kap and Brown build chemistry where they will be playing for the rest of the season.
- ninjagoalie

I can see that side, but injuries are going to happen and guys are going to need to get used to playing with each other. More specifically, the ones in the long term plans of the team. Even more specific and especially guys you drafted and developed. If hes not part of the plans why is he on our first line? Really hope im wrong thougj and he works out and impresses me.

Ennis is a placeholder for Nylander. Let Kap and Brown build chemistry where they will be playing for the rest of the season.
- ninjagoalie

(frank) Ennis, he has no future on this team. Give Kapanen the top-six minutes and figure out if you can replace Nylander with him and move Nylander for a top pairing RHD.

Just eats up prospect playing time. Rather Bracco or other young guys who actually have a future with the team getting that ice-time.

Vancouver will probably buy him out next year and Gagner will end up with the Leafs next year on a 1 year, 1 million (or less) dollar deal and replace Ennis or something.
- Unholy_Goalie

nah. It will be fine. Good to have vets and talents for kids to play with. Im neutral to this move. Just a meh thing.

Just eats up prospect playing time. Rather Bracco or other young guys who actually have a future with the team getting that ice-time.

Vancouver will probably buy him out next year and Gagner will end up with the Leafs next year on a 1 year, 1 million (or less) dollar deal and replace Ennis or something.
- Unholy_Goalie

you fail to understand the part that Gagner will not take a spot from any of the 'kids', but from other vets (joorish, cracknell, greening etc.).
so it's a non-issue.
anything to make Tavares happy

I figured 3 days were in order
- Dozzer