Was Gagner that bad in preseason ?
- Reveen.

I'm not even sure he was in the preseason.

Was Gagner that bad in preseason ?
- Reveen.

no canucks fan is arguing that waiving him was a mistake. we're arguing whether signing him (at all) was a small mistake or a total non-issue.

what does that tell you about gagner?

Was Gagner that bad in preseason ?
- Reveen.

He would look much better playing on McDavids wing, but really he hasn't been any good for us at all.

Attacks? You never actually simply entered the argument with a opinion. You turned around what I said, pressed on and then start with this crap now. You simply are instigating a reason to get on your soap box. Where's the conspiracy by the way? You are making up all kinds of crap today. Monday got you blue?

So now that you turned it it ugly rather than the simple heated debate it was... whats your next move or did all you wanted out of it?



- boonerbuck

that's an interesting narrative.

want out of it? out of what? the gagner signing was a mistake (however small). credit to benning for acknowledging the mistake and dumping his a$$. now your turn...

Fair statement, however, JB had options and chose to waive SG effectively admitting that it wasnt working out.

He couldve easily just played SG but wasnt going to get the offense he was signed for.

I think that this has a 2-fold affect. It opens the door for one of the young guns to be called up first if there is an injury. I think if JB doesnt have faith in him now, then I suspect he has no faith in him going forward.

In fact, I am skeptical that SG plays another game in the NHL.
- chompsey

Wouldnt surprise me. Signing for that much was a mistake.

no canucks fan is arguing that waiving him was a mistake. we're arguing whether signing him (at all) was a small mistake or a total non-issue.

what does that tell you about gagner?
- RealityChecker

My argument has always been that if we're gonna sign scraps for top dollar value then why not just take on short term cap dumps instead? You still get a "veteran presence" and get a pick/prospect.

Instead of trying to sign a UFA and then just hoping you can flip him for a pick down the road.

Why not just guarantee yourself the pick/prospect?

I have yet to here a good counter argument to this from Booner or anyone else who says "no big deal" to these signings.

Carol, my votes are;

last
last
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sucked ass last season so everyone already hated him and this whole team was bad this pre-season outside of like 3 or 4 players.
- Nucker101

Swap Lucic for Gagner

I'm not even sure he was in the preseason.

- boonerbuck

How does one go from 50 points in Columbus to waivers in one year... crazy

How does one go from 50 points in Columbus to waivers in one year... crazy
- Reveen.

one team is good, one team is bad

He would look much better playing on McDavids wing, but really he hasn't been any good for us at all.
- Reubenkincade

We have a cheaper Gagner in Rattie... but I do have to admit I'd be curious about taking a chance on him.

no canucks fan is arguing that waiving him was a mistake. we're arguing whether signing him (at all) was a small mistake or a total non-issue.

what does that tell you about gagner?
- RealityChecker

That he need to play on a better team.

My argument has always been that if we're gonna sign scraps for top dollar value then why not just take on short term cap dumps instead? You still get a "veteran presence" and get a pick/prospect.

Instead of trying to sign a UFA and then just hoping you can flip him for a pick down the road.

Why not just guarantee yourself the pick/prospect?

I have yet to here a good counter argument to this from Booner or anyone else who says "no big deal" to these signings.
- Nucker101

it's almost like the same camps get divided amongst the same lines over the same arguments each season.

How does one go from 50 points in Columbus to waivers in one year... crazy
- Reveen.

Similar to Eriksson, I think he'd be okay as the "3rd best" player on a line, but this team is full of those types of forwards


Plus he was playing for his NHL career that season in CBJ, gotta be some human nature element here where the guy could relax a bit after getting paid by the Canucks compared to playing for his NHL life in Cbus.

That he need to play on a better team.
- Reveen.

yeah, he's probably the only player that would do better on a better team.

if only he could find a bottom dweller that will give him playing time, especially on the pp so that he can showcase his skills to be wanted by a better team. if only...

one team is good, one team is bad
- Codes1087

You guys won't be bad for long.

My argument has always been that if we're gonna sign scraps for top dollar value then why not just take on short term cap dumps instead? You still get a "veteran presence" and get a pick/prospect.

Instead of trying to sign a UFA and then just hoping you can flip him for a pick down the road.

Why not just guarantee yourself the pick/prospect?

I have yet to here a good counter argument to this from Booner or anyone else who says "no big deal" to these signings.
- Nucker101

We can agree that they wanted to boost the PP right? It seems that one year term to help your PP is more of a challenge than one year for bottom 6 scraps.

They got the boost on the PP from elsewhere... bye bye Gagner... bottom sixers are a dime a dozen.

I'm done arguing about the word mistake(not you). I was talking about context from the beginning anyways. I'll accept the word mistake but always I meant that the so called mistake had a simple solution recognized from the very beginning.

yeah, he's probably the only player that would do better on a better team.

if only he could find a bottom dweller that will give him playing time, especially on the pp so that he can showcase his skills to be wanted by a better team. if only...
- RealityChecker

I meant he obviously thrived in Columbus being sheltered as opposed to being exposed to a bigger roll in Vancouver.

How does one go from 50 points in Columbus to waivers in one year... crazy
- Reveen.

Thats 2 seasons but yeah, I agree.

Similar to Eriksson, I think he'd be okay as the "3rd best" player on a line, but this team is full of those types of forwards


Plus he was playing for his NHL career that season in CBJ, gotta be some human nature element here where the guy could relax a bit after getting paid by the Canucks compared to playing for his NHL life in Cbus.
- Nucker101

Good point

Thats 2 seasons but yeah, I agree.

- boonerbuck

I was more counting the one full season between scoring 50 and being waived

Similar to Eriksson, I think he'd be okay as the "3rd best" player on a line, but this team is full of those types of forwards


Plus he was playing for his NHL career that season in CBJ, gotta be some human nature element here where the guy could relax a bit after getting paid by the Canucks compared to playing for his NHL life in Cbus.
- Nucker101

Carol fulfilled your request from last blog, Jan Levine and season predictions, you could at least show some respect and put your comment towards answering the question.😁

I meant he obviously thrived in Columbus being sheltered as opposed to being exposed to a bigger roll in Vancouver.
- Reveen.

i'll be honest, i thought he was a good signing but thought the deal was too long.

i thought he'd come in, gets lots of pp and score enough to warrant some interest via trade route. on a 1 or 2 year deal, i was hoping to parlay it into useful assets.

(if it's going to be argued that no UFA a will sign unless you give them more term, i say, walk away. the team will suck regardless.)

anway, gagner did not work out. kudos to benning for being decisive and moving quickly.

i'll be honest, i thought he was a good signing but thought the deal was too long.

i thought he'd come in, gets lots of pp and score enough to warrant some interest via trade route. on a 1 or 2 year deal, i was hoping to parlay it into useful assets.

(if it's going to be argued that no UFA a will sign unless you give them more term, i say, walk away. the team will suck regardless.)

anway, gagner did not work out. kudos to benning for being decisive and moving quickly.
- RealityChecker

On a rebuilding team that's not a terrible deal... honestly how often do UFA's ever work out ? The Leafs are going to find that out in a couple years if not sooner with Tavares.