lol no doubt. Not saying Jett Woo is in Salo's category but the kid looks to be good.
- LordHumungous

i haven't really watched him (or most prospects in depth tbh). does this kid have a real shot? (shot to make the league as well as point shot).

i was under the impression he's a physical guy/shutdown role? is this wrong?

in your opinion: what's his best case scenario/top potential? what's his likely scenario meaning what's your take on him? what's his floor?

Benning did a good thing yesterday and already the hate is back on.
- thundachunk

When it's all said and done for Jim Benning in Vancouver, his tenure will go down as one of the darkest periods and he'll be judged a complete failure. IMO. At this point I don't think he's any better of a GM than Kevin Lowe was.

When it's all said and done for Jim Benning in Vancouver, his tenure will go down as one of the darkest periods and he'll be judged a complete failure. IMO. At this point I don't think he's any better of a GM than Kevin Lowe was.
- LeftCoaster

- RealityChecker

you know it's true!!

When it's all said and done for Jim Benning in Vancouver, his tenure will go down as one of the darkest periods and he'll be judged a complete failure. IMO. At this point I don't think he's any better of a GM than Kevin Lowe was.
- LeftCoaster

I am not a Benning supporter, but I couldn't help but hear a Violin playing when I read this Lefty lol

you know it's true!!
- LeftCoaster

When it's all said and done for Jim Benning in Vancouver, his tenure will go down as one of the darkest periods and he'll be judged a complete failure. IMO. At this point I don't think he's any better of a GM than Kevin Lowe was.
- LeftCoaster

Slow down there drama man. Im pretty (frank)in sure that this will not be the case. FA appears to be giving him a flier on the first 3 years trying to clean up MG's mess.

Unless JB craps the bed at the TDL and that's even doubtful especially if EP has a Barzal type rookie season, I see FA letting JB see this team through to becoming a playoff team which contradicts "complete failure".

EDIT: to summarize, quit being a cum guzzler

I am not a Benning supporter, but I couldn't help but hear a Violin playing when I read this Lefty lol
- Codes1087

Or wah wah....wah wah wah......

Slow down there drama man. Im pretty (frank)in sure that this will not be the case. FA appears to be giving him a flier on the first 3 years trying to clean up MG's mess.

Unless JB craps the bed at the TDL and that's even doubtful especially if EP has a Barzal type rookie season, I see FA letting JB see this team through to becoming a playoff team which contradicts "complete failure".

EDIT: to summarize, quit being a cum guzzler
- chompsey

i think he gets canned this off season and is remembered as the guy who drafted boesser and EP but not much else (positive).

i think he gets canned this off season and is remembered as the guy who drafted boesser and EP but not much else (positive).
- RealityChecker

Not sure how you figure this?

There is no question in anyones mind that the Canucks will be bottom 3 this year. Even FA knows this.

If JB was actually going to get fired, it would've happened already. INSTEAD, if you remember, FA EXPANDED his role after TL moved on.

Logically, it makes no sense to fire JB given what we know.

Slow down there drama man. Im pretty (frank)in sure that this will not be the case. FA appears to be giving him a flier on the first 3 years trying to clean up MG's mess.

Unless JB craps the bed at the TDL and that's even doubtful especially if EP has a Barzal type rookie season, I see FA letting JB see this team through to becoming a playoff team which contradicts "complete failure".

EDIT: to summarize, quit being a cum guzzler
- chompsey

this is going to take years to fix, anyone who thinks the Canucks will suddenly be better in a couple years is fooling themselves. They will get better, but this is going to take at least two management groups and close to a decade (or more) to fix.

Just my #morninghate opinion for today.

If you follow the Atlanta/Winnipeg model, they were bad for YEARS before they most recently became a good team through drafting. I can see this being the path of the Canucks because of many of the same issues with poor management.

From 2008 Atlanta drafted like this...nine years of drafting and they obviously, like Jim Benning, didn't get all their picks right, regarding players.

In 2017 they had an ok year with 40 wins 87 points and then they found their stride in 2018 with a 52 win 114 point year. That's ELEVEN years of building to get to where they are now.

2008 - 3rd overall
2009 - 4th overall
2010 - 8th overall
2011 - 7th overall
2012 - 9th overall
2013 - 13th overall
2014 - 9th overall
2015 - 17th overall
2016 - 2nd overall

Not sure how you figure this?

There is no question in anyones mind that the Canucks will be bottom 3 this year. Even FA knows this.

If JB was actually going to get fired, it would've happened already. INSTEAD, if you remember, FA EXPANDED his role after TL moved on.

Logically, it makes no sense to fire JB given what we know.
- chompsey

we're talking about aquaman right? and we're not sure that JB's role was actually expanded.

after TL was fired, aquaman said that he was going to explore getting a new president. JB was the one who said that aquaman wanted to expand his role.

i believe both. i think that's exactly how aquaman would operate. he'll give benning an expanded role while thinking about his replacement. i have zero faith in the loyalty of aqualini and see him hiring someone who gives a really good 5 minute pitch.

i think he gets canned this off season and is remembered as the guy who drafted boesser and EP but not much else (positive).
- RealityChecker

I am definitely more critical of UFA Signing Jim, and Trader Jim, than I am of Drafter Jim. It would be completely irrational to not acknowledge some of the good that he has done. Having said that, I don't think Benning gets canned after this year. As long as he continues to fill up the prospect pool, get the attention of those bloggers/media personalities boasting and aweing over the talent of the Boesers/Pettersons/Hughes type of players, FA will continue to believe that the turn around is right around the corner. FA is tweeting the hype and praise himself. Just my opinion

Oh jesus, get over yourself. There isn't a single infallible GM in the league.

This is just the start of the Renaissance! Enjoy the ride.........
- chompsey

Let me enjoy my hate, I don't interfere in yours.

When it's all said and done for Jim Benning in Vancouver, his tenure will go down as one of the darkest periods and he'll be judged a complete failure. IMO. At this point I don't think he's any better of a GM than Kevin Lowe was.
- LeftCoaster

this is going to take years to fix, anyone who thinks the Canucks will suddenly be better in a couple years is fooling themselves. They will get better, but this is going to take at least two management groups and close to a decade to fix.

Just my #morninghate opinion for today.

If you follow the Atlanta/Winnipeg model, they were bad for YEARS before they most recently became a good team through drafting. I can see this being the path of the Canucks because of many of the same issues with poor management.

From 2008 Atlanta drafted like this...nine years of drafting and they obviously, like Jim Benning, didn't get all their picks right, regarding players.

In 2017 they had an ok year with 40 wins 87 points and then they found their stride in 2018 with a 52 win 114 point year. That's ELEVEN years of building to get to where they are now.

2008 - 3rd overall
2009 - 4th overall
2010 - 8th overall
2011 - 7th overall
2012 - 9th overall
2013 - 13th overall
2014 - 9th overall
2015 - 17th overall
2016 - 2nd overall
- LeftCoaster

I get your point but I find it super pessimistic but you do have precedent....Edmonton, Buffalo.......but there also teams like Colorado that turn it around much quicker.

Now, by no means am I expecting the Canucks to be contenders within 5 but Im pretty confident that this year is rock bottom and having a core of Pettersson, Boeser, Horvat and Hughes gives me confidence. I do see JB given the reins to build on that.

I am definitely more critical of UFA Signing Jim, and Trader Jim, than I am of Drafter Jim. It would be completely irrational to not acknowledge some of the good that he has done. Having said that, I don't think Benning gets canned after this year. As long as he continues to fill up the prospect pool, get the attention of those bloggers/media personalities boasting and aweing over the talent of the Boesers/Pettersons/Hughes type of players, FA will continue to believe that the turn around is right around the corner. FA is tweeting the hype and praise himself. Just my opinion
- Codes1087

i think there are two aspects of the question, namely; 1) will he get fired?; and 2) should he get fired?

with respect to question 1, it's more about the owner than it is about the gm. maybe i'm projecting but the lack of a coherent plan/strategy starts at the top. aqualini will get frustrated by a long season of losing. someone will sing in his ear about how to turn around the team and we're looking at a brand new management team before the draft.

because of that, we don't even have to talk about question 2.

Let me enjoy my hate, I don't interfere in yours.
- Marwood

Fair.

i think there are two aspects of the question, namely; 1) will he get fired?; and 2) should he get fired?

with respect to question 1, it's more about the owner than it is about the gm. maybe i'm projecting but the lack of a coherent plan/strategy starts at the top. aqualini will get frustrated by a long season of losing. someone will sing in his ear about how to turn around the team and we're looking at a brand new management team before the draft.

because of that, we don't even have to talk about question 2.
- RealityChecker

in my honest opinion:

Should he get fired: Yes
Will he get fired: No

in my honest opinion:

Should he get fired: Yes
Will he get fired: No
- Codes1087

yes to both for me.

i think he gets canned this off season and is remembered as the guy who drafted boesser and EP but not much else (positive).
- RealityChecker

He'll be remembered for time immortal as the man who dared to waive his holiness, Gaunce. May God have mercy on his soul.

ray ferraro: "The only free agents the Canucks should be signing are like when the Leafs signed a whole bucket of guys to one-year deals. You can't have 15 kids in the lineup, cuz then you get your teeth kicked in. But there's no point signing vets to multi-year deals"

1: The leafs at this time had a bunch of buried contracts in the minors (different scenario than current Canucks)
2: As much as it pains me to say it, but TOR (in their dark times) was always a more enticing market to players than Vancouver in our dark times
3: Much easier said than done, but at the same token, I don't think he's wrong.

this is going to take years to fix, anyone who thinks the Canucks will suddenly be better in a couple years is fooling themselves. They will get better, but this is going to take at least two management groups and close to a decade (or more) to fix.

Just my #morninghate opinion for today.

If you follow the Atlanta/Winnipeg model, they were bad for YEARS before they most recently became a good team through drafting. I can see this being the path of the Canucks because of many of the same issues with poor management.

From 2008 Atlanta drafted like this...nine years of drafting and they obviously, like Jim Benning, didn't get all their picks right, regarding players.

In 2017 they had an ok year with 40 wins 87 points and then they found their stride in 2018 with a 52 win 114 point year. That's ELEVEN years of building to get to where they are now.

2008 - 3rd overall
2009 - 4th overall
2010 - 8th overall
2011 - 7th overall
2012 - 9th overall
2013 - 13th overall
2014 - 9th overall
2015 - 17th overall
2016 - 2nd overall
- LeftCoaster

They never had the foresight to sign elite depth players to long term contracts like beagle and rousell. They will lead us out of the dark times and will prove Bennings elite GmIng worth.

i haven't really watched him (or most prospects in depth tbh). does this kid have a real shot? (shot to make the league as well as point shot).

i was under the impression he's a physical guy/shutdown role? is this wrong?

in your opinion: what's his best case scenario/top potential? what's his likely scenario meaning what's your take on him? what's his floor?
- RealityChecker

There's 2 opinions of him, he started off his draft season as a ppg player and looked like he had some serious offensive potential. Part way through the season he was injured and his team had more talented/higher regarded offensive dmen return from injuries and acquired so Woo lost his PP spot and prime minutes when. He returned from injury.

IMO his ceiling is 2nd pairing and won't be a PP guy.

ray ferraro: "The only free agents the Canucks should be signing are like when the Leafs signed a whole bucket of guys to one-year deals. You can't have 15 kids in the lineup, cuz then you get your teeth kicked in. But there's no point signing vets to multi-year deals"

1: The leafs at this time had a bunch of buried contracts in the minors (different scenario than current Canucks)
2: As much as it pains me to say it, but TOR (in their dark times) was always a more enticing market to players than Vancouver in our dark times
3: Much easier said than done, but at the same token, I don't think he's wrong.
- Codes1087

If the dollar is right the term can be flexible.

Just to poke my nose in on the fire/don't fire conversation, if as an owner my GM shows a pattern of over paying term on veteran players and then burying them in the minors, I would bury him in the Fraser with a thick pair of concrete shoes. I didn't get rich by paying AHL scrubs $3m per year.