that's your assertion: that benning signs vets to multi-year deals with one eye on waiving them.

i disagree.

my assertion is that the gagner signing was a mistake. not a very big mistake to be certain and benning minimised/acknowledged it by waiving gagner. this is a credit to benning.
- RealityChecker

Mistakes I can live with. Even good gms make mistakes. Refusing to acknowledge them or take steps to rectify them is what drives me crazy.

Edit:

That said, if Gagner clears waivers I bet that he is back up before too long, particularly if they struggle to score.

I can agree, that the price to bring in a UFA to a dog poop team is higher than say bringing in a UFA to a contending team (there has to be incentive for a UFA to join a bad team). However, using waivers to bury a 3 year term signing is a terrible philosophy for a GM to go by. Despite waivers always being a "way out" for Benning, its not without consequences, and shouldn't be used as a means to not "paint himself into a corner".
- Codes1087

Why are you using 3 years? It's 2 yeas now. Gagner played a 3rd of his contract and was pushed out by the rebuild. No 3 year contract has been waived.

You call having prospects pushing out the lower depth before their short contracts are up a mistake...lol. I think the 3 year term was not just to draw in the UFA, but a minor safety net depending on how things play out. The future of the PP looks bright with Horvat, Boeser, Pettersson, and Hughes. Plus we don't know if Benning has a move lined up.

This narrative that the fans are more capable of thinking one step ahead than the Canucks management is pretty funny. It's one thing to compare to other teams...

Mistakes I can live with. Even good gms make mistakes. Refusing to acknowledge them or take steps to rectify them is what drives me crazy.

Edit:

That said, if Gagner clears waivers I bet that he is back up before too long, particularly if they struggle to score.
- CubanBuffet

I could see that as well but they did keep Higgins down even when they ran into injuries so it will be interesting to see. If Dahlen, Gaudette or ...Gaunce start off the season strong, Gagner might not have a chance.

I'm saying that this was always his way out. Like I said when Gagner was signed.

Gagner still gets his money. Benning never made the mistake of painting himself into a corner.
- boonerbuck

gagner is 29... i dont think everyone involved was cool that hed be out of the nhl before 30

Why are you using 3 years? It's 2 yeas now. Gagner played a 3rd of his contract and was pushed out by the rebuild. No 3 year contract has been waived.

You call having prospects pushing out the lower depth before their short contracts are up a mistake...lol. I think the 3 year term was not just to draw in the UFA, but a minor safety net depending on how things play out. The future of the PP looks bright with Horvat, Boeser, Pettersson, and Hughes. Plus we don't know if Benning has a move lined up.

This narrative that the fans are more capable of thinking one step ahead than the Canucks management is pretty funny. It's one thing to compare to other teams...

- boonerbuck

totally booner. sign everyone to 7 or 8 year deals!!!!! you can waive whoever doesn't pan out.

that's your assertion: that benning signs vets to multi-year deals with one eye on waiving them.

i disagree.

my assertion is that the gagner signing was a mistake. not a very big mistake to be certain and benning minimised/acknowledged it by waiving gagner. this is a credit to benning.
- RealityChecker

^ well said

that's your assertion: that benning signs vets to multi-year deals with one eye on waiving them.

i disagree.

my assertion is that the gagner signing was a mistake. not a very big mistake to be certain and benning minimised/acknowledged it by waiving gagner. this is a credit to benning.
- RealityChecker

I'm wondering how all of those who have been hating on Goldy all preseason feel about this. He is virtually guaranteed a top 6 spot with gagner out of the way

Why are you using 3 years? It's 2 yeas now. Gagner played a 3rd of his contract and was pushed out by the rebuild. No 3 year contract has been waived.

You call having prospects pushing out the lower depth before their short contracts are up a mistake...lol. I think the 3 year term was not just to draw in the UFA, but a minor safety net depending on how things play out. The future of the PP looks bright with Horvat, Boeser, Pettersson, and Hughes. Plus we don't know if Benning has a move lined up.

This narrative that the fans are more capable of thinking one step ahead than the Canucks management is pretty funny. It's one thing to compare to other teams...

- boonerbuck

Lol booner im not even sure you think we are arguing over the same thing. Ill end it by saying that i am giving credit for benning waiving gagner and the decision is a good one and one i am happy with. Narratives aside lol

I have a new found respect(though small) for Benning.

I'm wondering how all of those who have been hating on Goldy all preseason feel about this. He is virtually guaranteed a top 6 spot with gagner out of the way
- NorthNuck

im all for it. they are essentially equal at this point imo but one has the capability of improving. goldy might even be faster which helps

Gagne will be picked up.

im all for it. they are essentially equal at this point imo but one has the capability of improving. goldy might even be faster which helps
- johnnykarate

I think it's great too. Points-wise i think Goldy can already put up what Gagner would put up with the same minutes, plus hes much younger with room to grow and that equals long term value

I have a new found respect(though small) for Benning.
- thundachunk

that he planned this all along or that he acknowledge a mistake and moved on from it?

pick a side.

that's your assertion: that benning signs vets to multi-year deals with one eye on waiving them.

i disagree.

my assertion is that the gagner signing was a mistake. not a very big mistake to be certain and benning minimised/acknowledged it by waiving gagner. this is a credit to benning.
- RealityChecker

One eye on *moving* them if things quickly change... sure... why not? You think Benning had no idea he had prospects ready to challenge over those 3 years and he'd have to target depth to make room? That goes without saying.

It's hilarious... you are more or less arguing that Benning only imagined a single negative outcome, was surprised and never imagined players like Boeser, Petterssen, Goldobin and future prospects would push him out of the powerplay and out of the bottom 6(motte)...

I didn't think they'd pull the trigger on waiving Gagner, but they did!

Not sure that gives me more confidence in this team in the short term, but I respect the philosophy. They get a little younger, and keep an eye on the future rather than risking losing one of their young players.

New blog:

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...et-their-roster/194/95046

I'm surprised they chose Gagner to make an example of, would of been much more palatable if it had been Schaller or Granlund to the hockey world.

I do think Gagner was a good candidate for a bounce back year, not 50 points but closer to his career avg. That said, I'm glad Benning stuck to his word about waiving a vet if a player forced spot. Hilarious that it was for Motte, I predict Motte is sent down by xmas.

Even more hilarious to see Booner bend over backwards to make sure everybody knows this is not a Benning mistake, THIS WAS ALWAYS THE PLAN !!


- belcherbd

My argument wasn't that you liar.

One eye on *moving* them if things quickly change... sure... why not? You think Benning had no idea he had prospects ready to challenge over those 3 years and he'd have to target depth to make room? That goes without saying.

It's hilarious... you are more or less arguing that Benning only imagined a single negative outcome, was surprised and never imagined players like Boeser, Petterssen, Goldobin and future prospects would push him out of the powerplay and out of the bottom 6(motte)...
- boonerbuck

it's hilarious that you think that waiving a player that you signed as your 6th highest paid forward (last year) after 1 year into a 3 year deal is all according to some master plan.

this isn't the biggest issue on this team but it's hilarious the extent to which some people will defend every single move this team makes.

I have a new found respect(though small) for Benning.
- thundachunk

Same boat. Good GM's are willing to admit they made a mistake, but good GM's also don't have too many mistakes too correct

One eye on *moving* them if things quickly change... sure... why not? You think Benning had no idea he had prospects ready to challenge over those 3 years and he'd have to target depth to make room? That goes without saying.

It's hilarious... you are more or less arguing that Benning only imagined a single negative outcome, was surprised and never imagined players like Boeser, Petterssen, Goldobin and future prospects would push him out of the powerplay and out of the bottom 6(motte)...
- boonerbuck

I think it's more likely Benning figured that Gagner would be more productive than he was last year, and to be fair he was okay when playing with skill players (Vanek/Boeser/Sedin's) and if a young player made him expendable, Benning would be able to flip Gagner for something he needed.

One eye on *moving* them if things quickly change... sure... why not? You think Benning had no idea he had prospects ready to challenge over those 3 years and he'd have to target depth to make room? That goes without saying.

It's hilarious... you are more or less arguing that Benning only imagined a single negative outcome, was surprised and never imagined players like Boeser, Petterssen, Goldobin and future prospects would push him out of the powerplay and out of the bottom 6(motte)...
- boonerbuck

i dont get the one eye thing.. benning could have also had one eye on his cap situation and gave gagner the same money on less term with the option to resign him for additional seasons if prospects needed more time or gagner was a good fit. the money is sunk now and im glad they waived him but lets not pretend this was anything but a last resort move for jimbo

I'm saying that this was always his way out. Like I said when Gagner was signed.

Gagner still gets his money. Benning never made the mistake of painting himself into a corner.
- boonerbuck

it's hilarious that you think that waiving a player that you signed as your 6th highest paid forward (last year) after 1 year into a 3 year deal is all according to some master plan.

this isn't the biggest issue on this team but it's hilarious the extent to which some people will defend every single move this team makes.
- RealityChecker

5th highest paid forward

5th highest paid forward
- Codes1087

i totally knew that you would correct me. this is why i made that mistake.

i totally knew that you would correct me. this is why i made that mistake.
- RealityChecker