Carrick traded to the Dallas Stars for a 7th round pick. Picks turns into a 6th if he plays 50 games this year. Nill doing what benning did with DP, but paying far less.
- Codes1087

#assetmanagement

Its hardly a mistake when you don't cling onto a depth player thats already on a short contract. He filled a need and now isnt needed. Benning wasted no time and moved on... hardly admitting anything. Thats an assertion.
- boonerbuck

I guess until Benning technically goes to the podium, says it was a mistake, it isn't a "mistake" and I guess he isn't admitting anything. You can fill a need without giving term, and if Gagner filled a 1 year need, but was given a 3 year term, I don't know how you bury him in the minors, eating cap, without thinking it was a mistake, but regardless, I am not going to argue semantics with you lol. I am just happy hes gone, for the time being.

Carrick traded to the Dallas Stars for a 7th round pick. Picks turns into a 6th if he plays 50 games this year. Nill doing what benning did with DP, but paying far less.
- Codes1087

Pretty sure trading for 7th round picks meant nothing to most in here. I would say that DP is worth more then Carrick is.

I guess until Benning technically goes to the podium, says it was a mistake, it isn't a "mistake" and I guess he isn't admitting anything. You can fill a need without giving term, and if Gagner filled a 1 year need, but was given a 3 year term, I don't know how you bury him in the minors, eating cap, without thinking it was a mistake, but regardless, I am not going to argue semantics with you lol. I am just happy hes gone, for the time being.
- Codes1087

Only thing we'll miss from Gagner is his super-hot wife.

Benning admitting fault, trying to amend the mistake by willing to eat salary and bury Gagner is a bigger win than anything that Motte could ever bring to the table
- Codes1087

Yes, today is a good day.

Devil's advocate: between the twins, vanek and gagner we're down almost 200 points from last year, is the addition of beagle and motte enough to ensure us a bottom 3 pick?

Pretty sure trading for 7th round picks meant nothing to most in here. I would say that DP is worth more then Carrick is.
- manvanfan

I would gladly take all the extra draft picks we can get.

I would gladly take all the extra draft picks we can get.
- Codes1087

So would I, especially for scraps. JB could probably turn that 6th from WSH and the 7th for DAL into a 5th and could get another Gaudette or Jamie Benn.

ANTOINE BIBEAU <----what about him?

So would I, especially for scraps. JB could probably turn that 6th from WSH and the 7th for DAL into a 5th and could get another Gaudette or Jamie Benn.
- manvanfan

I don't think that the Canucks can hit home runs with ALL picks in the later rounds. I know the likelihood is slim to none. I understand that some people feel the value of picks beyond the 2nd round aren't as valuable. I am not saying all picks are, but I am saying, that at this point in time during the Canucks rebuild, I would gladly love to take more shots at maybe finding another Gaudette or Forsling, than to deal them away in search of reclamation projects.

Woof!
- chompsey

I guess until Benning technically goes to the podium, says it was a mistake, it isn't a "mistake" and I guess he isn't admitting anything. You can fill a need without giving term, and if Gagner filled a 1 year need, but was given a 3 year term, I don't know how you bury him in the minors, eating cap, without thinking it was a mistake, but regardless, I am not going to argue semantics with you lol. I am just happy hes gone, for the time being.
- Codes1087

Look at it this way... I doubt Benning thought none of his prospects and young players would never push vets like Gagner out over a 3 year span. That would be the real mistake but no way he thought like that. 3 years gives security to both parties. Motte and Goldobin in... Gagner and who ever out. You put too much into Benning signing a lower depth player for this term. Do you really think there were serious plans for him during a roster turn over? Narratives....lol.

Archibald Gaunce Gagner Utica new first line. If that doesn't bring Utica a calder cup, I don't know what would.
- manvanfan

You know what, as far as ahl talent is concerned, that's a pretty good first line.

I guess until Benning technically goes to the podium, says it was a mistake, it isn't a "mistake" and I guess he isn't admitting anything. You can fill a need without giving term, and if Gagner filled a 1 year need, but was given a 3 year term, I don't know how you bury him in the minors, eating cap, without thinking it was a mistake, but regardless, I am not going to argue semantics with you lol. I am just happy hes gone, for the time being.
- Codes1087

Just wait until next couple years when we bury Beagle, eriksson and rousell in the minors.
#15millionreasons

Jim grew some balls or have they just become unshackled with Linden gone?


Either way I love that they did this

Look at it this way... I doubt Benning thought none of his prospects and young players would never push vets like Gagner out over a 3 year span. That would be the real mistake but no way he thought like that. 3 years gives security to both parties. Motte and Goldobin in... Gagner and who ever out. You put too much into Benning signing a lower depth player for this term. Do you really think there were serious plans for him during a roster turn over? Narratives....lol.
- boonerbuck

I didn't want to bring this up booner, but you give me poop and argued until you were blue in the face about following false narratives and concluding to assertions when I said it would make sense for Hughes to go back to Michigin, play in the frozen 4, be in the running for hobey baker, and play at the world championship. You are hung up on narratives. who gives a poop lol. I don't think there is EVER a long term plan with UFA's, or that their shouldn't be. Having said that, I don't want to make something out of nothing, so I will end it by saying, I am happy with Benning's decision today, and that saying it may have been a mistake, doesn't mean anyone is following "false narratives" lol

I don't think that the Canucks can hit home runs with ALL picks in the later rounds. I know the likelihood is slim to none. I understand that some people feel the value of picks beyond the 2nd round aren't valuable. I am not saying all picks are, but I am saying, that at this point in time during the Canucks rebuild, I would gladly love to take more shots at maybe finding another Gaudette or Forsling, than to deal them away in search of reclamation projects.
- Codes1087

Picks past the 2nd round are less valuable but still have a value.

I would guess the thinking is if past round 3, the picks are mostly shots in the dark. If you have 4 shots in the dark, why not use one to pick up a player that is NHL ready. Like DP.

Liberati, Williamson, Cederholm, Subban, Forsling, Stewart, Olson, Neill, Candella. Those are all the D van has drafted since DP's draft in the later rounds. DP is not very good but he's still better then just about everyone of them.

I'd like more picks to trade up picks.

Jim grew some balls or have they just become unshackled with Linden gone?


Eityer way I love that they did this
- Nucker101

Look at it this way... I doubt Benning thought none of his prospects and young players would never push vets like Gagner out over a 3 year span. That would be the real mistake but no way he thought like that. 3 years gives security to both parties. Motte and Goldobin in... Gagner and who ever out. You put too much into Benning signing a lower depth player for this term. Do you really think there were serious plans for him during a roster turn over? Narratives....lol.
- boonerbuck

so let me get this straight: benning signed a player coming off a career high 50 point season for 3 years at $3m knowing that he'd probably waive him after a year or 2?

narratives....

so let me get this straight: benning signed a player coming off a career high 50 point season for 3 years at $3m knowing that he'd probably waive him after a year or 2?

narratives....
- RealityChecker

Picks past the 2nd round are less valuable but still have a value.

I would guess the thinking is if past round 3, the picks are mostly shots in the dark. If you have 4 shots in the dark, why not use one to pick up a player that is NHL ready. Like DP.

Liberati, Williamson, Cederholm, Subban, Forsling, Stewart, Olson, Neill, Candella. Those are all the D van has drafted since DP's draft in the later rounds. DP is not very good but he's still better then just about everyone of them.

I'd like more picks to trade up picks.
- manvanfan

trading up into the 1st and 2nd rounds would be my first choice too. Other than contending teams that are willing to trade late 1sts for playoff rentals, its been insanely hard to get into those first 2 rounds.
Looking back though. How hard did Dorion fleece Treveling in that Lazar trade lol

so let me get this straight: benning signed a player coming off a career high 50 point season for 3 years at $3m knowing that he'd probably waive him after a year or 2?

narratives....
- RealityChecker

I'm saying that this was always his way out. Like I said when Gagner was signed.

Gagner still gets his money. Benning never made the mistake of painting himself into a corner.

Jim grew some balls or have they just become unshackled with Linden gone?


Either way I love that they did this
- Nucker101

Maybe Linden wasn't on board with a full on tank like we are seeing now?

I'm saying that this was always his way out. Like I said when Gagner was signed.

Gagner still gets his money. Benning never made the mistake of painting himself into a corner.
- boonerbuck

I can agree, that the price to bring in a UFA to a dog poop team is higher than say bringing in a UFA to a contending team (there has to be incentive for a UFA to join a bad team). However, using waivers to bury a 3 year term signing is a terrible philosophy for a GM to go by. Despite waivers always being a "way out" for Benning, its not without consequences, and shouldn't be used as a means to not "paint himself into a corner".

Maybe Linden wasn't on board with a full on tank like we are seeing now?
- anavar

Gotta wait until the TDL before we can say for sure that Benning is in for a rebuild to keep going

I'm saying that this was always his way out. Like I said when Gagner was signed.

Gagner still gets his money. Benning never made the mistake of painting himself into a corner.
- boonerbuck

that's your assertion: that benning signs vets to multi-year deals with one eye on waiving them.

i disagree.

my assertion is that the gagner signing was a mistake. not a very big mistake to be certain and benning minimised/acknowledged it by waiving gagner. this is a credit to benning.

I'm surprised they chose Gagner to make an example of, would of been much more palatable if it had been Schaller or Granlund to the hockey world.

I do think Gagner was a good candidate for a bounce back year, not 50 points but closer to his career avg. That said, I'm glad Benning stuck to his word about waiving a vet if a player forced spot. Hilarious that it was for Motte, I predict Motte is sent down by xmas.

Even more hilarious to see Booner bend over backwards to make sure everybody knows this is not a Benning mistake, THIS WAS ALWAYS THE PLAN !!