Careful that doesn’t fit the narrative here.
- Makita

I thought he played well too, the narrative he's sucked for the Canucks so far here is 100% true.

That would be a good plan. Guddy is a big boy they should stop trying to make him play like Shea Theodore.

Last night I seen Lucic out hustle Hutton in a foot race and set up goal in the third
- VANTEL

Guddy isn't the problem, he's essentially the Beagle of the back end. Better then the other options but lower doesn the lineup on a .500 hockey team.

Location bet that Gaunce stays up to start?

If you believe he has top 4 potential then sure, if you're like me and don't think so then no. I'll take my chances with the top 100 draft pick and hope for a homerun, even if it's not likely.

higher variance asset > lower variance/safe asset


Especially for rebuilding teams
- Nucker101

Pullout odds
25 percent chance as a top 6
12.5 percent chance as a top 4
1.25 percent chance as a top 2

4th round odds
12.5 percent chance as a number 7
7.5 percent chance as a top 6
4 percent chance as a top 4
0.5 percent chance as a top 2

But sure, take the pick. (Odds from when the trade was made not now)

How about them ducks? They're trying to out track us.

Pullout odds
25 percent chance as a top 6
12.5 percent chance as a top 4
1.25 percent chance as a top 2

4th round odds
12.5 percent chance as a number 7
7.5 percent chance as a top 6
4 percent chance as a top 4
0.5 percent chance as a top 2

But sure, take the pick. (Odds from when the trade was made not now)

How about them ducks? They're trying to out track us.
- Pres.cup

I believe you

Pullout odds
25 percent chance as a top 6
12.5 percent chance as a top 4
1.25 percent chance as a top 2

4th round odds
12.5 percent chance as a number 7
7.5 percent chance as a top 6
4 percent chance as a top 4
0.5 percent chance as a top 2

But sure, take the pick. (Odds from when the trade was made not now)

How about them ducks? They're trying to out track us.
- Pres.cup

If its between Pouliot and a 4th, I will take that 4th.

If its between Pouliot and a 4th, I will take that 4th.
- Codes1087

Guy got beat out by some dude named Chad Ruhwedel in Pittsburgh and yet he has as 12.5% chance of becoming a top 4 dman

SJ Sharks reporter today:

"Asked Erik Karlsson today about the time his new partner Vlasic speared him in Ottawa in 2016.

Karlsson: "Oh (frank), I haven’t even brought that up yet.”

(Turns to Vlasic): “(Remember) when you tried to end my life in Ottawa two years ago?”

Vlasic: “Didn’t work.”

Burns - Braun
Karlsson - Vlasic

This makes me sad to be a Canucks fan.

If its between Pouliot and a 4th, I will take that 4th.
- Codes1087

I read somewhere, I'll have to try and find it, that the success rate of first rounders who were traded by the team that drafted them is very low.

I think it was reviewing the Patches trade in reference to Suzuki. The author listed all the first rounders traded recently and the only player that went on to be very successful was Forsberg iirc.

The main premise being that the drafting team will of had a really good opportunity to get to know that prospect and if they are willing to let them go, there is a good chance they have some significant flaws.

Edit.
It was an Athletic article so apologies to any non-subscrbers.

https://theathletic.com/5...n-dealing-max-pacioretty/

I read somewhere, I'll have to try and find it, that the success rate of first rounders who were traded by the team that drafted them is very low.

I think it was reviewing the Patches trade in reference to Suzuki. The author listed all the first rounders traded recently and the only player that went on to be very successful was Forsberg iirc.

The main premise being that the drafting team will of had a really good opportunity to get to know that prospect and if they are willing to let them go, there is a good chance they have some significant flaws.
- belcherbd

Bingo


Who here was still high on Shinkaruk's potential as a top 6 forward when he was traded?

SJ Sharks reporter today:

"Asked Erik Karlsson today about the time his new partner Vlasic speared him in Ottawa in 2016.

Karlsson: "Oh (frank), I haven’t even brought that up yet.”

(Turns to Vlasic): “(Remember) when you tried to end my life in Ottawa two years ago?”

Vlasic: “Didn’t work.”

Burns - Braun
Karlsson - Vlasic

This makes me sad to be a Canucks fan.
- Codes1087

They still have Big "can't win when it matters" Joe so hopefully they still suck. I wonder if his 4th line cousin gives him pointers how to win at Thanksgiving.

I read somewhere, I'll have to try and find it, that the success rate of first rounders who were traded by the team that drafted them is very low.

I think it was reviewing the Patches trade in reference to Suzuki. The author listed all the first rounders traded recently and the only player that went on to be very successful was Forsberg iirc.

The main premise being that the drafting team will of had a really good opportunity to get to know that prospect and if they are willing to let them go, there is a good chance they have some significant flaws.

Edit.
It was an Athletic article so apologies to any non-subscrbers.

https://theathletic.com/5...n-dealing-max-pacioretty/
- belcherbd

I am not a subscriber, but I totally get the point your trying to make. On the other hand, TJ Oshie / Joe Thorton / Ryan Kesler / Blake Wheeler / Phil Kessel / Brent Burns / Erik Karlsson.

Not everyone on that list, or even half, have hoisted the Stanley cup, but I would make an argument that those players have all gone on to be very impactful players with their new teams. Its a gamble either way.

Bingo


Who here was still high on Shinkaruk's potential as a top 6 forward when he was traded?
- Nucker101

I was, and thought it was higher than Granlund's at the time but I'll admit I was wrong

They still have Big "can't win when it matters" Joe so hopefully they still suck. I wonder if his 4th line cousin gives him pointers how to win at Thanksgiving.
- TJTD

Joe Thorton is a good player, and I think SJ is going to be scary good this year. Ryan Merkley is also still sticking around the club after the last group of cuts, insane talent. If he makes the team:

Burns - Braun
Karlsson - Vlasic
Dillon - Merkley

that is a scary good defense

I am not a subscriber, but I totally get the point your trying to make. On the other hand, TJ Oshie / Joe Thorton / Ryan Kesler / Blake Wheeler / Phil Kessel / Brent Burns / Erik Karlsson.

Not everyone on that list, or even half, have hoisted the Stanley cup, but I would make an argument that those players have all gone on to be very impactful players with their new teams. Its a gamble either way.
- Codes1087

The article was talking about 1st round picks who were traded shortly after being drafted and hadn't established themselves.

If its between Pouliot and a 4th, I will take that 4th.
- Codes1087

Guy got beat out by some dude named Chad Ruhwedel in Pittsburgh and yet he has as 12.5% chance of becoming a top 4 dman
- Nucker101

Pouliot has 138 games of NHL experience. At what point do we negate that "25%" odds of becoming a legit top 6 dman lol

The article was talking about 1st round picks who were traded shortly after being drafted and hadn't established themselves.
- belcherbd

oh I see. I see the point. I guess it's still a gamble. Its easy to use the excuse that they were traded due to personality/behavioral issues, but to this day, look at Hall/Seguin. One just won the Hart, the other just got a massive contract. I think it is situational, and a gamble to both teams.

They still have Big "can't win when it matters" Joe so hopefully they still suck. I wonder if his 4th line cousin gives him pointers how to win at Thanksgiving.
- TJTD

SJ is a PO team that’s not enough for many of our fans. Our fanbase doesn’t appreciate much. If we are a 1 & done PO team they whine it cost us a lottery pick. If we are a bubble team they want less. All in All they claim to want a winner when they 2 face it & cry for losing. Then disect how we don’t lose better but has to be entertaining.

oh I see. I see the point. I guess it's still a gamble. Its easy to use the excuse that they were traded due to personality/behavioral issues, but to this day, look at Hall/Seguin. One just won the Hart, the other just got a massive contract. I think it is situational, and a gamble to both teams.
- Codes1087

Yup, they also outlined the some scenarios like Johansson/Jones where it was a win win. I image Seguin trade wasn't referenced because he already had 3 seasons played and had established himself

SJ is a PO team that’s not enough for many of our fans. Our fanbase doesn’t appreciate much. If we are a 1 & done PO team they whine it cost us a lottery pick. If we are a bubble team they want less. All in All they claim to want a winner when they 2 face it & cry for losing. Then disect how we don’t lose better.
- Nighthawk

WTF are you talking about?

Edit: I should have bolded the first sentence.

SJ is a PO team that’s not enough for many of our fans. Our fanbase doesn’t appreciate much. If we are a 1 & done PO team they whine it cost us a lottery pick. If we are a bubble team they want less. All in All they claim to want a winner when they 2 face it & cry for losing. Then disect how we don’t lose better but has to be entertaining.
- Nighthawk

I feel like you had 20 thoughts on the go, going on at one time, and you scrambled them all into a singular post.

I feel like you had 20 thoughts on the go, going on at one time, and you scrambled them all into a singular post.
- Codes1087

Somehow I kind of understood what he was saying. In summary, Vancouver fans will always complain unless we win a cup? Every other scenario is a reason to complain?

Somehow I kind of understood what he was saying. In summary, Vancouver fans will always complain unless we win a cup? Every other scenario is a reason to complain?
- CanuckDon

Only idiots were complaining when this team had an actual shot at the cup.

The frustrated groups of fans right now:

A) The ones who were against trading away any picks and against signing UFA’s to more than 2 year deals from day 1 since they knew the team would suck anyway

B) The total homers who don’t really know much about other teams and thought this team wouldn’t be in the basement.

Somehow I kind of understood what he was saying. In summary, Vancouver fans will always complain unless we win a cup? Every other scenario is a reason to complain?
- CanuckDon

Nice work. You must enjoy interpretive dance.

Somehow I kind of understood what he was saying. In summary, Vancouver fans will always complain unless we win a cup? Every other scenario is a reason to complain?
- CanuckDon

Yup & no matter what our fanbase has not changed in nearly 50yrs of doing just that.
Endless complaints of all kinds its the management the coach the players the media etc etc.

Well our fans haven’t changed & remain the common denominator. It’s the minority that can think straight & see it for what it is. The cup runs cost us & here we sit today.