A Faulk move has been rumored for quite some time. I don't think it happens anytime soon but perhaps you are right.
- belcherbd

i saw things yesterday about a faulk-Kassian+ trade

I don't blame JB for taking a chance with a 4 th rounder last year, but if he made the same mistake this year that is a different issue.
- VANTEL

I really didn't think it was a smart move by him at the time, and in hindsight, it still wasn't a smart move. All picks should be treated like gold to a franchise like the Canucks right now. I do however understand Benning's reasoning, despite disagreeing with it.

My guess is this......the 4th was thrown in for 2 reasons...

1) The assurance that they would get Pouliot. Perhaps they were interested in him enough that they feared a team like Buffalo, who had a higher waiver spot, would have claimed him on waivers also.

2) Pedan also had to clear waivers and the 4th was added in just in case Pedan got claimed on waivers

Not really that difficult to see why JB would have added a 4th, not to mention, Pouliot is a player and Pedan is not.
- chompsey

I understand, just don’t agree. Also, you are wrong, Pedan had already cleared waivers, so in essence, he was more valuable than DP at that particular point in time...

Edit - also debatable. Big P is very close to the waiver wire with his play so far.

I really didn't think it was a smart move by him at the time, and in hindsight, it still wasn't a smart move. All picks should be treated like gold to a franchise like the Canucks right now. I do however understand Benning's reasoning, despite disagreeing with it.
- Codes1087

I think it is way overblown. How many fourth rounders that Canucks drafted are playing on this team now? Pouliot has at least played 71 NHL games for us and got 22 pts.

I don't believe we have any of our last 10 fourth round picks currently playing for our team. Yes we have 2 fifth round picks out of how many ?

We will never know the full story, as the Pens would never outright say that they needed to put someone on waivers, after they make a trade, but at the time, they needed to make room for a healthy defensive. Pens bloggers/writers had said that they were healthy with:

Letang - Dumoulin
Maata - Cole
Schultz - Daley
Hainsey - Streit

Don't shoot the messenger Vintsy. Just repeating what I had read
- Codes1087

Pretty sure the bolded player had signed as a free agent with another organization, long before the Pouliot trade.

Today's waivers

Hope all the Tanev haters have been playing close attention to these pre-season games.

Literally the only D-man capable of clearing the puck and/or skating it out of our zone.

I think it is way overblown. How many fourth rounders that Canucks drafted are playing on this team now? Pouliot has at least played 71 NHL games for us and got 22 pts.

I don't believe we have any of our last 10 fourth round picks currently playing for our team. Yes we have 2 fifth round picks out of how many ?
- VANTEL

So you are saying they might as well just give away all their 4th and 5th round picks for most of a season of mediocre play by fringe players? Personally, I think they can get 70 games of mediocre play through free agency and still draft players with the useless 4th round picks. They still need players for the farm team.

I understand, just don’t agree. Also, you are wrong, Pedan had already cleared waivers, so in essence, he was more valuable than DP at that particular point in time...

Edit - also debatable. Big P is very close to the waiver wire with his play so far.
- 1970vintage

Ok, but the 1st point is likely what drove the deal.

Regardless, I personally, take DP over AP/4th any day of the week at this point. But thats my personal opinion.....

I mean, someone was crowing over Ty Rattie in the last thread. Look how long its taken him, DP may actually put it together.

Today's waivers
- VANTEL

Anaheim is a bit of a mess right now, was hoping Rodin would find a job there. Oh well.

Pretty sure the bolded player had signed as a free agent with another organization, long before the Pouliot trade.
- Reubenkincade

I am not 100% positive on their line up. Like I said though, I am just relaying what I had read by Pens Bloggers/writers.

Today's waivers
- VANTEL

Gaunce centering Rychel and Klimchuk

I think it is way overblown. How many fourth rounders that Canucks drafted are playing on this team now? Pouliot has at least played 71 NHL games for us and got 22 pts.

I don't believe we have any of our last 10 fourth round picks currently playing for our team. Yes we have 2 fifth round picks out of how many ?
- VANTEL

Every move by Benning will be scrutinized. Overblown, probably. But while we have had Brackett/Weisbrod/Benning drafting, We have seen decent potential with late round picks. Gaudette/Forsling/Jasek/etc. No need to beat a dead horse, but again, if there is one thing I actually have full confidence in moving forward, it is Brackett and his ability to draft, and I want his cupboards stocked every year.

Ok, but the 1st point is likely what drove the deal.

Regardless, I personally, take DP over AP/4th any day of the week at this point. But thats my personal opinion.....

I mean, someone was crowing over Ty Rattie in the last thread. Look how long its taken him, DP may actually put it together.
- chompsey

I don’t think either player will make a meaningful contribution in the NHL but whatever.

It makes sense, that’s your (Jim’s) guy, make sure you get him. I get it, just don’t believe it was the best move they could have made.

Anyway, do you think Jim has the stones to pull off the same kind of move before setting his roster? That’s how this whole thing started, Codesey suggesting he hopes Jim can pull off a similar deal for one of our players about to get waived...

I think it is way overblown. How many fourth rounders that Canucks drafted are playing on this team now? Pouliot has at least played 71 NHL games for us and got 22 pts.

I don't believe we have any of our last 10 fourth round picks currently playing for our team. Yes we have 2 fifth round picks out of how many ?
- VANTEL

Sure, but the 4th rounder could be lucky and turn into something greater. Everyone is jizzing their Richard off at Gaudette and some of the other mid-later round picks the team has made like Lockwood, Palmu, Jasek, etc. Leipsic is a mid rounder like Dipietro and Motte. Management is in love with Brisbois for some reason and he was a 3rd or 4th.

Pouliot is what he is and there wasn't much debating that. What's the point of those 70gp and 22points in the long run? Where's the long term positive in that? Are those games/points really worth the 4th compared to just playing Hutton/Biega/waiver claim in those minutes?

It's not like he's providing some stability back there. He's doing the complete opposite.

Why couldn't my sportsnet feed go dark during the third period instead of the second?
What a cluster eff of a team. If we can't score than we better be good in our own end or it's gonna be blowout after blowout. i have a feeling last years low goal scoring record will be blown out of the water.

So you are saying they might as well just give away all their 4th and 5th round picks for most of a season of mediocre play by fringe players? Personally, I think they can get 70 games of mediocre play through free agency and still draft players with the useless 4th round picks. They still need players for the farm team.
- 1970vintage

Name me one fourth round pick drafted by the Canucks in the last 15 years still playing with them ?


An article


Beyond the First Round
When you look at players drafted in later rounds, the NHL dream begins to fade in a hurry.

From 1990 to 1999, about a quarter of the players selected in the second round turned into NHL career players.
Those drafted in the third round and beyond are really up against it. From over 2,000 players selected in the third round and beyond during the 1990s, just 261 made it as NHL career players. That's about 12 percent.

Why couldn't my sportsnet feed go dark during the third period instead of the second?
What a cluster eff of a team. If we can't score than we better be good in our own end or it's gonna be blowout after blowout. i have a feeling last years low goal scoring record will be blown out of the water.
- Itsjustarash

The kids don't have the Sedins to hide behind anymore. The Twins still drew top defensive assignments from other teams frequently. And they were excellent, even old and slow, at gaining the zone with possession at 5v5 and on the PP.

Its going to be a long year but hopefully there are enough sprinkles to make the poopscream cone tolerable.

I don’t think either player will make a meaningful contribution in the NHL but whatever.

It makes sense, that’s your (Jim’s) guy, make sure you get him. I get it, just don’t believe it was the best move they could have made.

Anyway, do you think Jim has the stones to pull off the same kind of move before setting his roster? That’s how this whole thing started, Codesey suggesting he hopes Jim can pull off a similar deal for one of our players about to get waived...
- 1970vintage

No chance. I mean, how many Portland Winter Hawks are left to claim? Is Ty Rattie available? Nic Petan maybe?

Name me one fourth round pick drafted by the Canucks in the last 15 years still playing with them ?


An article


Beyond the First Round
When you look at players drafted in later rounds, the NHL dream begins to fade in a hurry.

From 1990 to 1999, about a quarter of the players selected in the second round turned into NHL career players.
Those drafted in the third round and beyond are really up against it. From over 2,000 players selected in the third round and beyond during the 1990s, just 261 made it as NHL career players. That's about 12 percent.
- VANTEL

I am not disagreeing with you, statistics are statistics, and the later round picks didn't look good. But we also have had a somewhat drastic overhaul in the scouting department, and Bracket has only been in his position since the 2015/2016 season. If the franchise is top 5 in the West, or top 10 in the league, I understand it would be easier to deal later round picks, but as a franchise who had a stale roster, and a bare prospect cupboard in the last 10 years, I don't think its worth it to treat later round picks as if they hold less value.

I am not disagreeing with you, statistics are statistics, and the later round picks didn't look good. But we also have had a somewhat drastic overhaul in the scouting department, and Bracket has only been in his position since the 2015/2016 season. If the franchise is top 5 in the West, or top 10 in the league, I understand it would be easier to deal later round picks, but as a franchise who had a stale roster, and a bare prospect cupboard in the last 10 years, I don't think its worth it to treat later round picks as if they hold less value.
- Codes1087

I like Brackett but I am not sure Lind or Gadjovich will ever turn into an impact player. Second round picks have a 25% chance of making the NHL. The chances of our later rounds making it are getting into catching lightning in a bottle range.

I like the draft picks as much as the next guy but once we leave the second round my expectations get a lot lower.

I am not disagreeing with you, statistics are statistics, and the later round picks didn't look good. But we also have had a somewhat drastic overhaul in the scouting department, and Bracket has only been in his position since the 2015/2016 season. If the franchise is top 5 in the West, or top 10 in the league, I understand it would be easier to deal later round picks, but as a franchise who had a stale roster, and a bare prospect cupboard in the last 10 years, I don't think its worth it to treat later round picks as if they hold less value.
- Codes1087

Especially when you're this bad those 4ths are still top 100 picks.

I like Brackett but I am not sure Lind or Gadjovich will ever turn into an impact player. Second round picks have a 25% chance of making the NHL. The chances of our later rounds making it are getting into catching lightning in a bottle range.

I like the draft picks as much as the next guy but once we leave the second round my expectations get a lot lower.
- VANTEL

expectations are expected to drop as the rounds start pass, but at the same time, as a franchise so desperate to hit a home run with all picks in all rounds, I would much rather we play the odds with picks, than to ship them off in hopes of turning someone else's scraps into a perennial top 4 defenseman or impactful forward.

It’s preseason, this mostly veteran team knows what it takes to win and they will put their best foot forward once the games actually mean something. They guys are sitting back and trying to allow the young guys to have a little glory, which obviously isn’t working, but come regular season they will put the hammer down.

6-6-2 to start the year
- 1970vintage

expectations are expected to drop as the rounds start pass, but at the same time, as a franchise so desperate to hit a home run with all picks in all rounds, I would much rather we play the odds with picks, than to ship them off in hopes of turning someone else's scraps into a perennial top 4 defenseman or impactful forward.
- Codes1087

No teams roster is 23 of their own drafted players.

We have hit home runs Hughes Pettersson and Boeser all first round picks. We have also had a few swing and misses ( IMO). If in the next two years we can draft get two more home run players then we are doing very good.

The plan is to get more top 40 picks ,they are the ones that will change the look.