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- flashfire

Exactly! Jesus!

Fun facts: Carolina's preseason results (4-0) include wins against Tampa (4-1 and 6-1), Washington (5-1) and Nashville (4-1). A 19-4 goal differential over 4 games.
I know, it's only preseason but still... pretty impressive for a team with serious goalie questions ... and a new (rookie) coach ...and a new owner.
As a Flames fan I can't help wondering....

Fun facts: Carolina's preseason results (4-0) include wins against Tampa (4-1 and 6-1), Washington (5-1) and Nashville (4-1). A 19-4 goal differential over 4 games.
I know, it's only preseason but still... pretty impressive for a team with serious goalie questions ... and a new (rookie) coach ...and a new owner.
As a Flames fan I can't help wondering....
- itwasin

It’s preseason lol

It’s preseason lol
- Redmile247

In two of those games the guys with the most NHL experience were Phil Di Giuseppe, Brock McGinn and Trevor van Riemsdyk.

The first was an almost all rookie lineup vs Stamkos, Hedman, Kucherov, McDonagh, Vasilevksy, etc.

In two of those games the guys with the most NHL experience were Phil Di Giuseppe, Brock McGinn and Trevor van Riemsdyk.

The first was an almost all rookie lineup vs Stamkos, Hedman, Kucherov, McDonagh, Vasilevksy, etc.
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So you Peters hater! Why the hate?

In two of those games the guys with the most NHL experience were Phil Di Giuseppe, Brock McGinn and Trevor van Riemsdyk.

The first was an almost all rookie lineup vs Stamkos, Hedman, Kucherov, McDonagh, Vasilevksy, etc.
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Aaaaaand the guys who are playing to make the big leagues put in a lot more effort then the guys who have massive contracts.

Not saying that Carolina does not look impressive however as has been mentioned numerous times in this thread already........


ITS PRESEASON!!!!!

Aaaaaand the guys who are playing to make the big leagues put in a lot more effort then the guys who have massive contracts.

Not saying that Carolina does not look impressive however as has been mentioned numerous times in this thread already........


ITS PRESEASON!!!!!
- DuranDuran

Oh for sure. Brind'amour himself was saying not to read too much into it. Lots of guys with lots to prove. This sort of thing happens in preseason.

Mike Smith is overrated. Everytime a goal goes in he points at the D
- Squilliam-

Ryan Miller syndrome.

Adjust the humidity levels in your Arena.

So you Peters hater! Why the hate?
- Clyde334

I'll use the same line Brind'amour used. He takes the stick out of the players' hands.

In the four years he was here it became very apparent that guys were so bogged down in trying to figure out where Peters wanted them in every single situation that they lost track of just playing the game.

i think Peters can be a good coach if he can allow his players some flexibility and let them trust their instincts on occasion.

If he doesn't, what you're going to see is a lot of odd-man rushes against, a lot of players losing their man in coverage, and a whole bunch of shots that don't really amount to anything. It'll feel like every time the Flames make a mistake it ends up in the back of their own net.

I'll use the same line Brind'amour used. He takes the stick out of the players' hands.

In the four years he was here it became very apparent that guys were so bogged down in trying to figure out where Peters wanted them in every single situation that they lost track of just playing the game.

i think Peters can be a good coach if he can allow his players some flexibility and let them trust their instincts on occasion.

If he doesn't, what you're going to see is a lot of odd-man rushes against, a lot of players losing their man in coverage, and a whole bunch of shots that don't really amount to anything. It'll feel like every time the Flames make a mistake it ends up in the back of their own net.
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Well fck!!!

I'll use the same line Brind'amour used. He takes the stick out of the players' hands.

In the four years he was here it became very apparent that guys were so bogged down in trying to figure out where Peters wanted them in every single situation that they lost track of just playing the game.

i think Peters can be a good coach if he can allow his players some flexibility and let them trust their instincts on occasion.

If he doesn't, what you're going to see is a lot of odd-man rushes against, a lot of players losing their man in coverage, and a whole bunch of shots that don't really amount to anything. It'll feel like every time the Flames make a mistake it ends up in the back of their own net.
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So just like last year.. lol

So just like last year.. lol
- Squilliam-

I think most saw Peters as a lateral move at best. When there were better options out there, like Trotz, this felt like a bit of a meh move at the time. Will give him the benefit of the doubt, and I do like what the Flames did by bringing in a PP specialist that can actually run a decent powerplay.

I think most saw Peters as a lateral move at best. When there were better options out there, like Trotz, this felt like a bit of a meh move at the time. Will give him the benefit of the doubt, and I do like what the Flames did by bringing in a PP specialist that can actually run a decent powerplay.
- rmull905

Nah, I look as him as an upgrade over Gully just based on experience. I'm curious to see the line up when its finalized and then see how Peters systems function with the talent pool he has. By no means am I an NHL level coach but I coach high level Midget and my systems gets tweaked but not determined by the players I have. This is not Carolina (although there are a few players from said team) so I'm looking forward to watching how the team is structured...
and....

its only preseason.

Nah, I look as him as an upgrade over Gully just based on experience. I'm curious to see the line up when its finalized and then see how Peters systems function with the talent pool he has. By no means am I an NHL level coach but I coach high level Midget and my systems gets tweaked but not determined by the players I have. This is not Carolina (although there are a few players from said team) so I'm looking forward to watching how the team is structured...
and....

its only preseason.
- geta02it

Peters and Gulutzan have spent exactly the same amount of time in the NHL as Head/Assistant coach.

Peters and Gulutzan have spent exactly the same amount of time in the NHL as Head/Assistant coach.
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Gully was not a head coach for four years.... and yes that does make a difference.

Gully was not a head coach for four years.... and yes that does make a difference.
- geta02it

He was at the time he was fired. As of today....

Glen Gulutzan has spent:

6 years Head Coach ECHL

2 Years Head Coach AHL

3 years Assistant Coach NHL

4 Years Head Coach NHL.



Bill Peters has Spent:

3 Years Head Coach WHL

3 Years Head Coach AHL

3 Years Assistant Coach NHL

4 Years Head Coach NHL

Peters has never made it beyond the first round as a Head Coach at the pro level.
Gulutzan also has more career wins at the NHL level than Peters, despite coaching for the same number of seasons and having one of those seasons be only 48 games long.

Nah, I look as him as an upgrade over Gully just based on experience.
- geta02it

Um, what? They've both been head coaches for 4 years, and Peters has never made the playoffs. They both have pretty much the same positives and negatives. All those things you were complaining about with Gulutzan last year, you'll be complaining about with Peters.

It's one of the least logical coaching changes I've ever seen. The Flames basically fired Gulutzan to bring in a less successful version of Gulutzan.

Um, what? They've both been head coaches for 4 years, and Peters has never made the playoffs. They both have pretty much the same positives and negatives. All those things you were complaining about with Gulutzan last year, you'll be complaining about with Peters.

It's one of the least logical coaching changes I've ever seen. The Flames basically fired Gulutzan to bring in a less successful version of Gulutzan.
- Hunkulese

The weirdest part to me was that they didn't interview anyone else for the job. Certainly Peters had better name recognition due to his international experience and working with Babcock, but surely they did SOME research into his coaching style, right?

Unless Treliving et al. all actually thought that the biggest issues with the Flames were personality based and not anything to do with the talent level or playing style of the team?

Um, what? They've both been head coaches for 4 years, and Peters has never made the playoffs. They both have pretty much the same positives and negatives. All those things you were complaining about with Gulutzan last year, you'll be complaining about with Peters.

It's one of the least logical coaching changes I've ever seen. The Flames basically fired Gulutzan to bring in a less successful version of Gulutzan.
- Hunkulese

I neglected the 2 years in Dallas... I stand corrected.

I honestly don't care what he did in Carolina, I care what he does in Calgary. I was excited when Gulutzan was hired because it was a departure from Hartley. It became apparent that Gulutzan really didn't implement a system in either end of the ice. The record showed that...

So before I write off Bill Peters because of the Carolina experience, I will wait and see what he does with this lineup. To me Treliving's future rides on whether Peter's can make this team a playoff winner, not just contender.

It became apparent that Gulutzan really didn't implement a system in either end of the ice. The record showed that...
- geta02it

I don't really know how you can say that when the Flames regularly outplayed, outshot, and out-chanced their opponent. Gulutzan's system worked. He did everything he could do as a coach to put his players in successful positions to score. He can't actually score the goals himself. The Flames record last year was due to bad luck or bad players who couldn't finish.

If you want to argue that Guluztan's system was too complex that players had to think too much that it took away their natural scoring acumen, why bring in Peters?

Maybe you should care about Peters time in Carolina since every complaint Flames' fans had against Guluztan the Canes fans had against Peters.

The story of both teams last year boils down to dominate play, don't score, breakdown leading to an oddman rush, lose the game.

Sup female doges?

Sup female doges?
- RafiDRW

About time for some shark soup.

Detroit looking pretty good in preseason.

The weirdest part to me was that they didn't interview anyone else for the job. Certainly Peters had better name recognition due to his international experience and working with Babcock, but surely they did SOME research into his coaching style, right?

Unless Treliving et al. all actually thought that the biggest issues with the Flames were personality based and not anything to do with the talent level or playing style of the team?
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I honestly think this is exactly it. It explains the lateral move of coach. That said, Trelivinf also upgraded the team and added more talent to fix those, too. I still think the player's lack of execution last year cost Gully his job, not his systems. I know there are tons of Gully haters out there, but you all seem to have no problem with Peters who runs a very similar system. If Tre thought the systen was a problem, he would have at least interviewed other candidates for the job.

I still stand by that Gully wasn't the problem last season, but that doesn't matter anymore.

Peters has never made it beyond the first round as a Head Coach at the pro level.
Gulutzan also has more career wins at the NHL level than Peters, despite coaching for the same number of seasons and having one of those seasons be only 48 games long.
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Peters also had a bottom 3 payroll where Gully had a team spending to the cap

You are like a ex-girlfriend that Peters dumped move on man. I don't know or care how the Canes do this year they have a different team on the ice than last season.

I do care about the Flames and I expect a major improvement

He was at the time he was fired. As of today....

Glen Gulutzan has spent:

6 years Head Coach ECHL

2 Years Head Coach AHL

3 years Assistant Coach NHL

4 Years Head Coach NHL.



Bill Peters has Spent:

3 Years Head Coach WHL

3 Years Head Coach AHL

3 Years Assistant Coach NHL

4 Years Head Coach NHL

Peters has never made it beyond the first round as a Head Coach at the pro level.
Gulutzan also has more career wins at the NHL level than Peters, despite coaching for the same number of seasons and having one of those seasons be only 48 games long.
- BINGO!

Meh I'm sure you could elaborate a good amount on the lack of roster flexibility Peters was allowed with the Canes. Dude's earned a shot with a veteran team willing to spend to the cap. He'll probably have a lot more fun with his job with more depth to endlessly shuffle the lines like he does.

Canes took a big step forward too. Timing their roster well having a slightly older defense than their forwards. They already have about three years of taking ownership of their game at the NHL level.