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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Sep 20 @ 9:55 AM ET
Could have helped having a stronger partner. Think he was with Folin most of the time. But made his share of mistakes with the pair.
- peesinwind


Not impressed at all with Folin. He's basically last year's version of Gudas without the any of the potential upside. As soon as Sanheim is ready to go, Folin should return to the 7th man spot, and when AMac returns, I'd waive or trade Folin (assuming you can get anything for him) and make Hagg the 7th man.

If all are healthy, my starting six are: Provy, Ghost, AMac, Myers, Sanheim and Gudas.

YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Sep 20 @ 9:56 AM ET
Not impressed at all with Folin. He's basically last year's version of Gudas without the any of the potential upside. As soon as Sanheim is ready to go, Folin should return to the 7th man spot, and when AMac returns, I'd waive or trade Folin (assuming you can get anything for him) and make Hagg the 7th man.

If all are healthy, my starting six are: Provy, Ghost, AMac, Myers, Sanheim and Gudas.

- BiggE

how the heck would we kill any penalties?!?!
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Sep 20 @ 9:57 AM ET
I do wonder if there is a secret competition going on for 4C too. Like is Weal 3C or bust? Obviously Laughton is the obvious choice if 46/40 wins 3C job. Lehtera gets put into the mix. It seems like a longshot that the 12 best forwards are actually on the ice together
- YuenglingJagr


I think Laughton gets the 4C and Lehtera is the spare center. Laughton ability to kill penalties will give him the edge over Weal for that spot. Weal will likely be joining Jori in the Cote suite most nights unless/until he's traded.

NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Sep 20 @ 9:57 AM ET
Last season when they waived Matt Read.
- MJL


True and although they most likely will waive another vet this season, I think they need to get rid of a contract. Bottom forward is where they have the most depth.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Sep 20 @ 9:58 AM ET
how the heck would we kill any penalties?!?!
- YuenglingJagr


When did they actually start killing penalties, LOL.

All kidding aside, assuming Gudas isn't the guy in the box, I'd start the PK with Provorov/Gudas and then go to AMac/Myers. If Gudas is in the sin bin, I'd start with Provorov/Myers and then go to Sanheim/AMac.
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Sep 20 @ 9:59 AM ET
Not impressed at all with Folin. He's basically last year's version of Gudas without the any of the potential upside. As soon as Sanheim is ready to go, Folin should return to the 7th man spot, and when AMac returns, I'd waive or trade Folin (assuming you can get anything for him) and make Hagg the 7th man.

If all are healthy, my starting six are: Provy, Ghost, AMac, Myers, Sanheim and Gudas.

- BiggE


VladDrag
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 01.13.2009

Sep 20 @ 10:04 AM ET
Weal can get u a late rd pick imo.
- rinaldo


Marody got us a 3rd round pick. I think Weal can get you a 3rd, too.
VladDrag
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 01.13.2009

Sep 20 @ 10:09 AM ET
Haven’t watched a game yet but this has been as exciting a preseason as I can remember with all the kids.
- Just5


It's only going to get better with Allison, Frost, Ratcliffe (maybe JOB and Farabee) and Rubstov, maybe Kase, Bunamman and Lycksell next year.

The following year you've got the remainder of the guys from above plus Cates who might be ready to go by the following season.



Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Sep 20 @ 10:12 AM ET
When did they actually start killing penalties, LOL.

All kidding aside, assuming Gudas isn't the guy in the box, I'd start the PK with Provorov/Gudas and then go to AMac/Myers. If Gudas is in the sin bin, I'd start with Provorov/Myers and then go to Sanheim/AMac.

- BiggE


Has gudas played any games thus far?
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Sep 20 @ 10:12 AM ET

- Ftown19125


Don’t forget when Morin is ready to go. He was ready for this roster last year and can up grade that PK. He is not a big gun on the offensive sign but he is good on their D Zone. He will add a little grit to the team also.

Hexy is going to have to move another D or risk sitting NHL talent in the press box. They should have the trade deadline space by then but he may make this team better.
WheelSnipeCelly
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.14.2016

Sep 20 @ 10:14 AM ET
I tried to watch the game last night but couldn't figure out a damned thing.

I'm not sure if MSG was punking us or if the Rangers fans were getting the same feed. But whoever was in control of the cameras in the truck was either drunk, OCD, or severely mentally disturbed.

The camera angles were more jumpy than a $5 whore in church.

- MBFlyerfan


It's preseason for the camera guys too. The had a young guy from Hartford. Showed a lot of promise last season, but he definitely has to work on his pan speed. His zoom choices were good, but needs to be more consistent in his zoom speed. His shots were centered, but his stability wasn't the best tonight. Just needs to simplify his game. He needs some more time in Hartford.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Sep 20 @ 10:14 AM ET
Damn you guys see what Domi did?
- arichardson22


He's scum
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Sep 20 @ 10:16 AM ET
Has gudas played any games thus far?
- Hextall271


Last night. He wasn’t to sharp. Wasn’t terrible but made some mistakes. Not impressed by his performance for sure
VladDrag
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 01.13.2009

Sep 20 @ 10:16 AM ET
I am not going to rail on the guy. He was a solid pro who had some good years. Everyone likes to think they know what Hextall will do but who saw him signing van Riemsdyk this offseason. He has shown to be steady and patient until it's time not too.

But right now i think Twarynski and Aube-Kubel both look like they can bring more then Weise right now.

- J35Bacher


Weise had two years where you could consider him as a regular, and the last time was 15-16, where he was traded to Chicago and used sparingly. It's nothing against him, but he's just not an NHL quality player, not on this roster anyway. His contract the Flyers game him was 1-2 years too long. I understand Hexy's thought when they signed him, but he's not the player hexy thought he was signed. If he was, he probably would be worth the contract.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Sep 20 @ 10:16 AM ET
I saw most of the game last night. Hart looked really good. Defense did not.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Sep 20 @ 10:20 AM ET
Last night. He wasn’t to sharp. Wasn’t terrible but made some mistakes. Not impressed by his performance for sure
- peesinwind


If he plays like he did the second half of the season, I might lose my mind. If he's not playing on the edge he's not effective, and I think they asked him to curtail his physical play because he was always crossing the line..ugh..
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Sep 20 @ 10:21 AM ET
I saw most of the game last night. Hart looked really good. Defense did not.
- Scoob


Really loved Hart's battle and movement in the crease. Give him a year or so in the A, but look out if he improves on what I already see. Could be a good one.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 20 @ 10:23 AM ET
Why not? Not arguing but why wouldn't he? He has good size. Has played very well. Fits a roll the Flyers could use. Can play on PK which I think is big. Is it just you feel they will keep guys like Weise instead?

Hextall always said a player needs to take a job from a veteran. Right now I think both Twarynski and Aube-Kubel have taken Weise's spot? I think one of them earns a spot.

- J35Bacher


In terms of a young player I hope that means a spot in the top 12. Is Weise a top 12 player? Why have a young player as a spare forward?
VladDrag
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 01.13.2009

Sep 20 @ 10:24 AM ET
I do wonder if there is a secret competition going on for 4C too. Like is Weal 3C or bust? Obviously Laughton is the obvious choice if 46/40 wins 3C job. Lehtera gets put into the mix. It seems like a longshot that the 12 best forwards are actually on the ice together
- YuenglingJagr


There's no reason to put Jori Lehtera on the ice at all. Stop it.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Sep 20 @ 10:28 AM ET
In terms of a young player I hope that means a spot in the top 12. Is Weise a top 12 player? Why have a young player as a spare forward?
- MJL



My view is one of Aube-Kubel or Twarynski make the team and Weise is waived. Both wont because there isn't a spot and you wouldn't want them sitting for stretches. Especially since you could have Weal and Lehtara as extras on the NHL roster.

I don't see any young forwards being kept as extras. They either are in the lineup or they go to Lehigh. My spares are guys like Weal, Lehtara and maybe Leier because they are what they are.
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Sep 20 @ 10:28 AM ET
Don’t forget when Morin is ready to go. He was ready for this roster last year and can up grade that PK. He is not a big gun on the offensive sign but he is good on their D Zone. He will add a little grit to the team also.

Hexy is going to have to move another D or risk sitting NHL talent in the press box. They should have the trade deadline space by then but he may make this team better.

- peesinwind


Definitely didn't forget him, I thought he looked more ready than Sanheim last year. Sucks he was injured.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 20 @ 10:31 AM ET
Giroux's number of DZ draws taken in previous seasons is as follows.

14/15 612
15/16 602
16/17 420
17/18 340

As we see, his use on DZ draws has decreased drastically in the last few seasons. Patrick is locked in at 2nd line center. Filppula who took a good number of DZ draws last season, is gone. If Vorobyev makes the team as 3rd line center, and Laughton as the 4th line center, who takes on that responsibility?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 20 @ 10:32 AM ET
There's no reason to put Jori Lehtera on the ice at all. Stop it.
- VladDrag


What will you say if he sees significant game action this season?
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Sep 20 @ 10:33 AM ET
Giroux's number of DZ draws taken in previous seasons is as follows.

14/15 612
15/16 602
16/17 420
17/18 340

As we see, his use on DZ draws has decreased drastically in the last few seasons. Patrick is locked in at 2nd line center. Filppula who took a good number of DZ draws last season, is gone. If Vorobyev makes the team as 3rd line center, and Laughton as the 4th line center, who takes on that responsibility?

- MJL



I think time, place score might come into effect then. Late in game you might send out Couturier or even Giroux. But that will be one spot that might be a learning curve.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 20 @ 10:34 AM ET
Don’t forget when Morin is ready to go. He was ready for this roster last year and can up grade that PK. He is not a big gun on the offensive sign but he is good on their D Zone. He will add a little grit to the team also.

Hexy is going to have to move another D or risk sitting NHL talent in the press box. They should have the trade deadline space by then but he may make this team better.

- peesinwind


Morin is in a tough spot. Won;t be playing for the majority of the season. Coming off a major injury how realistic or fair is it to expect him to upgrade the PK this season?
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