A lot of assets can come back on those deals, franchise can turn around pretty quickly if you hit on a few of them.

Only one I think would be tough is Anderson having an extra year on his deal at a 4.75MM cap hit. Might have to be some retained there. Returns on goalies are always surprisingly underwhelming though, might be worth just holding onto him.
- lonnyBohonos

I agree. I think Condon is the guy that is traded this year and fairly soon into the season. Good back up goalies are unique. Condon is a really good backup. Can take over for 10 or 12 games in the case of injury. But, just not good enough for a #1.

- 13sundin13

I like that.

These are just rumors at this point though right? He hasn't asked for a trade it's just rumors that he wont re-sign.

So likely he stays up to the deadline I would imagine.
- david22

Rumours of course, but chances are there is smoke behind it if some guys are reporting that hes done, and plus the fact they just went to the 1 year arbitration route.

Signs are pointing to him on borrowed time in the Sens org

I like that.
- spatso

you like that when asked what to be optimistic about is a long pause to think and what you come up with...we are a team?

Dorion is just not media savy, shouldnt be allowed to speak in public

Peak performance of NHL forwards is in the 22-26 age range. The Sens goal is to be playoff competitive within 3 years (ambitious if you look at some teams that went an entire decade living on the fringe). So, anyone over the age of 25 today is likely to be moved either this year or next.
- spatso

Please come back to the Better Situation thread.

We need all these nuggets in one place for future mocking.

Rumours of course, but chances are there is smoke behind it if some guys are reporting that hes done, and plus the fact they just went to the 1 year arbitration route.

Signs are pointing to him on borrowed time in the Sens org
- DDM-Coga

He is gone. This will be a clean sweep of anyone over the age of 26 making more than 1m.

Important to remember that the guy doing the sweeping today may not be doing the rebuild six months out.

It would all be worth it if you could get Hughes.......
- bikeguy99

The way that things have been going for this franchise, even if we had the 1st rd pick this year, even if we finish dead last, and even if we had an 18.5% chance at getting hughes, there is no chance we would get hughes. a team like EDM would probably just miss the playoffs, win the lottery and we would fall down as far as possible and pick 4th again. OTT can't have nice things at the moment.....

I like that.
- spatso

Haha yeah, pretty funny. That long pause and the look on his face gets me every time.

I actually think the Sens could surprise this year, the first 20 games might be tough with all the new faces, but if they can stay in it and everyone gets comfortable they still have the players to go on a run.

He is gone. This will be a clean sweep of anyone over the age of 26 making more than 1m.

Important to remember that the guy doing the sweeping today may not be doing the rebuild six months out.
- spatso

Dorion just signed a 3 year extension, you think someone as cheap as Melynk is going to fire and pay for a GM for multiple years?

You have Dorion until he is cheap enough to fire or you get a new owner multiple years from now

Please come back to the Better Situation thread.

We need all these nuggets in one place for future mocking.
- Feeling Glucky?

Ah! I know how much you miss me.

But, it is nearly a year since I've been gone.

I have promised I will return to the thread and post a commentary on the anniversary of my having been asked to leave (October 27). It will be a single post without follow up and it will include my annual evaluation of the blue team. I don't remember exactly how many years it has been since they have won a playoff round. I will provide clarity on the prospects for success and the ways to avoid choking off nervousness among the faithful.

Haha yeah, pretty funny. That long pause and the look on his face gets me every time.

I actually think the Sens could surprise this year, the first 20 games might be tough with all the new faces, but if they can stay in it and everyone gets comfortable they still have the players to go on a run.
- 13sundin13

I think it is more likely the opposite. They will grind out some wins on youthful energy and speed early in the season but have difficulty when December 1 comes around and teams become serious about winning. A young team can surprise a better team on the first meeting. Not the second time around.

Peak performance of NHL forwards is in the 22-26 age range. The Sens goal is to be playoff competitive within 3 years (ambitious if you look at some teams that went an entire decade living on the fringe). So, anyone over the age of 25 today is likely to be moved either this year or next.
- spatso

Ambitious is putting it lightly. They'd need every prospect to meet or exceed expectations. Don't see it happening.

Ambitious is putting it lightly. They'd need every prospect to meet or exceed expectations. Don't see it happening.
- david22

I agree. But, making the playoffs is overrated if you are a young team on the rise. For the fans, the fun is in the chase. I would be content if they were a playoff contender by year 4. Actually making the playoffs would be a bonus.

How many consecutive years did the Leafs and Sabres go without playing playoff hockey? Everyone needs to buy fully into the rebuild strategy.

- david22

Louis Jean is probably Pierre Dorion's cousin. Maybe he is responsible for greasing the runway for Stone's slide out of town.

I agree. But, making the playoffs is overrated if you are a young team on the rise. For the fans, the fun is in the chase. I would be content if they were a playoff contender by year 4. Actually making the playoffs would be a bonus.

How many consecutive years did the Leafs and Sabres go without playing playoff hockey? Everyone needs to buy fully into the rebuild strategy.
- spatso

I'd agree every year except this year, unless they can get their pick back from the Avs, for obvious reasons. They have enough vets to give it a good try.

I'd agree every year except this year, unless they can get their pick back from the Avs, for obvious reasons. They have enough vets to give it a good try.
- 13sundin13

Yes, but even if they make a good run up to December they will still deal off veteran assets in favour of picks and prospects.

- david22

Oh the shade by Stone. I feel like this is going to happen a lot this season with premier sens players. Its clickbait season

I like that.
- spatso

shocker

Ah! I know how much you miss me.

But, it is nearly a year since I've been gone.

I have promised I will return to the thread and post a commentary on the anniversary of my having been asked to leave (October 27). It will be a single post without follow up and it will include my annual evaluation of the blue team. I don't remember exactly how many years it has been since they have won a playoff round. I will provide clarity on the prospects for success and the ways to avoid choking off nervousness among the faithful.
- spatso

My god, you're saying you haven't been there since October of last year?

"What I was told was that Mark Stone no longer wants to be in Ottawa. He doesn't want to play in Ottawa anymore. @LouisJean_TVA #Sens http://www.tvasports.ca/2...lsson-stone-sur-le-depart …

https://twitter.com/TVASp...tatus/1042422622708019200

Doesnt seem like that will happen. Duchene I think stays and resigns
- DDM-Coga

Stop being biased towards the demise of ottawa and get the facts

Stone just shot this down
>> tsn.ca

Stop being biased towards the demise of ottawa and get the facts

Stone just shot this down
>> tsn.ca
- AlfieisKing

keep up there buttercup.

I posted that before he came out with a rebuttal and it was going viral all over hockey twitter

And a normal level headed Sens fan my man David22 posted the rebuttal which I commented on oh the Shade by Stone but I feel like you will see a lot of these stories on sens players this year bc of the click bait

Nice try, too slow Alfie as per usual

I may be reading between the lines on this but watching the player interviews. Everyone seems to be pretty positive. A lot of the guys don't seem upset that Karlsson is gone. Stone was full on smiling and Boro said that Karlsson chose to explore other options rather then resigning. Which very much echos Anderson's comments about it over the summer.

I've also heard a few times that the reason Stone only signed a one year, was that he and Karlsson didn't get along and he didn't want to sign long term if Karlsson was here.

I absolutely think we got a terrible dead on Karlsson and this team is not in great shape but I kind of wonder if behind closed doors, Karlsson was the problem, not Hoffman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxlVoiAkuMk

My god, you're saying you haven't been there since October of last year?
- Feeling Glucky?

It is actually kind of funny. I think I may have posted a few random comments. But, on October 27 I stopped regularly posting.

Since, then, several guys kept posting my old stuff and Leaf fans would comment on what I had said the year before.

It was actually kind of neat.

This is exactly the point. Are you saying a team is more successful just because they have a great Corsi season? I have a good friend in Raleigh and usually get down for a visit and a hockey game every year. Their successful run to the Cup involved beating a Leaf team that played way above their regular season results and a finals victory over Edmonton that was also playing great playoff hockey.

Fans in Raleigh, Toronto and Edmonton still remember their playoff runs, Why would you want to trivialize their success?
- spatso

You've missed the point entirely. Nobody is equating Corsi to success but there is a correlation. It isn't a matter of trivializing the "success" of those teams. It's a matter of realizing that they got close when they had no business doing so (at least OTT, I haven't looked at the other teams you noted)

Had the Sens realized that reality instead of focusing on the result they would have realized the folly in blowing their load on acquiring Duchene which has ultimately brought them further away from winning it all as the terrible asset management in that decision has caused a ripple effect that will cost them a much bigger potential piece (next year's 1st) that could have contributed to the team for years to come.

By focusing on the previous season's "success" (scoreboard) and ignoring the process (analytics) the team is much farther from the ultimate goal than if they had done a proper analysis of all the available information, the same information you continue to ignore and deride, they could have done a far better job managing their assets and would already be on the upswing instead of continuing to race to the bottom.