Throwing kids into situations they are ill prepared for is unwise, the last thing you want to do is destroy the confidence of promising prospects.
- justmike

spatso is just reeling rn and grasping at any hope, however false, to keep from drowning.

Throwing kids into situations they are ill prepared for is unwise, the last thing you want to do is destroy the confidence of promising prospects.
- justmike

Some of the rookies White, Chlapik and Jaros have all done a year (or more) in the AHL. Wolanin is 23. He had a good collegiate career. I liked his 10 games at end of last year.

I believe Formenton is the Sens best prospect. He has huge NHL speed and soft hands. He plays a solid defensive game and can kill penalties. If they start him with Duchene in training camp (as they have), I predict he plays first line minutes on opening night.

Tkachuck is getting big reviews but I still don't know if I like this pick at #4.

Batherson is a really smart player, he will benefit by some AHL playing time

Logan Brown has the talent. Great vision, soft hands...but, I wonder if he has the speed or heart for the NHL game. He definitely needs to play in the AHL and show that he is able to use his size effectively when playing against men.

Gustavsson will be the starting goalie in Belleville. Probably gets called up when Anderson or Condon are traded.

spatso is just reeling rn and grasping at any hope, however false, to keep from drowning.
- systemtool

Whenever I read a Spatso comment, this is what I take from it:

https://mobile.twitter.co...tatus/1040412758943195136

Well, I've been saying for a very long time that PD should be fired, He is a very good scout but not a GM.and I will continue to say it. He is a horrible GM and that is brutal return for Karlsson.

I blame him for the horrible return, but I don't blame Karlsson leaving on him alone. I also Blame EM and I also blame Karlsson. Despite Karlsson saying he wanted to stay here, there is no proof of that at all and his fake tears in the news conference imo where a complete joke. I do not believe he wanted to stay at all.

This problem isn't on one person and in this case it's on those three.

However, I'm not the type to dwell on the past so, I guess from now we move on, support the loyal players who are here and want to be here. We hope for a new GM and new Owner.

As for EM, PD and Karlsson. They might as well be dead to me at this point.
- Maverick1818

Would you want to stay and be a part of that tire fire?

Some of the rookies White, Chlapik and Jaros have all done a year (or more) in the AHL. Wolanin is 23. He had a good collegiate career. I liked his 10 games at end of last year.

I believe Formenton is the Sens best prospect. He has huge NHL speed and soft hands. He plays a solid defensive game and can kill penalties. If they start him with Duchene in training camp (as they have), I predict he plays first line minutes on opening night.

Tkachuck is getting big reviews but I still don't know if I like this pick at #4.

Batherson is a really smart player, he will benefit by some AHL playing time

Logan Brown has the talent. Great vision, soft hands...but, I wonder if he has the speed or heart for the NHL game. He definitely needs to play in the AHL and show that he is able to use his size effectively when playing against men.

Gustavsson will be the starting goalie in Belleville. Probably gets called up when Anderson or Condon are traded.
- spatso

Yep. Play them all. They'll earn the avs a great pick.

Whenever I read a Spatso comment, this is what I take from it:

https://mobile.twitter.co...tatus/1040412758943195136
- walshyleafsfan

Ugh, I know. You have to wonder: does he do that during trade negotiations as well? Hard to take him seriously about anything.

I mean, Bryan Murray had an obvious lisp, but at least he was somewhat competent as a GM, and especially as a coach. He must be rolling in his grave right now.

As for spatso ... I just keep scrolling ...

Would you want to stay and be a part of that tire fire?
- prock

There's two types of players. Ones who want to be part of the solution and unloyal ones who jump ship.

I was a Karlsson fan, but I never thought he was a good captain and I never liked how he tried to play fans of his against the team. I'm sorry but when Ottawa offered him the reported $10.5M - $11.5M per year. Karlsson didn't even say "no I want this much" he just said "No". If he was loyal and wanted to be here, he would have signed.

Players like that, I don't care how good they are, I have no respect for dishonest unloyal people.

There's two types of players. Ones who want to be part of the solution and unloyal ones who jump ship.

I was a Karlsson fan, but I never thought he was a good captain and I never liked how he tried to play fans of his against the team. I'm sorry but when Ottawa offered him the reported $10.5M - $11.5M per year. Karlsson didn't even say "no I want this much" he just said "No". If he was loyal and wanted to be here, he would have signed.

Players like that, I don't care how good they are, I have no respect for dishonest unloyal people.
- Maverick1818

His somewhat emotional press conference, and subtle hint from an interviewed Alfredsson, would suggest he really wanted to stay though. Regardless, I think for many of us it isn't just that he's been traded, but that we got so little in return for him. That's all on PD and EM.

#MelnykOut
#DorionOut

There's two types of players. Ones who want to be part of the solution and unloyal ones who jump ship.

I was a Karlsson fan, but I never thought he was a good captain and I never liked how he tried to play fans of his against the team. I'm sorry but when Ottawa offered him the reported $10.5M - $11.5M per year. Karlsson didn't even say "no I want this much" he just said "No". If he was loyal and wanted to be here, he would have signed.

Players like that, I don't care how good they are, I have no respect for dishonest unloyal people.
- Maverick1818

Knowing this franchise, how do we know that they were "loyal" to him? Why should Karlsson stay with a team if they have an owner who doesn't respect him, or for all appearances doesn't respect the team itself?

It also bares mentioning that this is where Karlsson's wife lost her pregnancy, and all the other harassment occurred. He understandably could want a fresh start.

His somewhat emotional press conference, and subtle hint from an interviewed Alfredsson, would suggest he really wanted to stay though. Regardless, I think for many of us it isn't just that he's been traded, but that we got so little in return for him. That's all on PD and EM.

#MelnykOut
#DorionOut
- sportsdataguy

I agree and that's my biggest issue with it that we didn't get enough. But i'm sticking with if he was loyal and he wanted to stay he would have signed the extension they offered him or at least negotiated

Knowing this franchise, how do we know that they were "loyal" to him? Why should Karlsson stay with a team if they have an owner who doesn't respect him, or for all appearances doesn't respect the team itself?

It also bares mentioning that this is where Karlsson's wife lost her pregnancy, and all the other harassment occurred. He understandably could want a fresh start.
- david22

They very clearly were loyal to him, I didn't like the deal but they got rid of Hoffman because of Karlsson. Then offered him an extension.

it's the simple fact if he was loyal, wanted to fix this team and lead and be part of the solution. He would have. Instead he's gone.... Really says something about Karlsson's character.

They very clearly were loyal to him, I didn't like the deal but they got rid of Hoffman because of Karlsson. Then offered him an extension.

it's the simple fact if he was loyal, wanted to fix this team and lead and be part of the solution. He would have. Instead he's gone.... Really says something about Karlsson's character.
- Maverick1818

Have to say loyalty only goes so far! Blind loyalty isn't something good. I get it, did he really want to stay? It's a fair question, especially given all the problems with harassment and losing a child etc. It may have weighed into things more, who's to say. That said you have a lame duck GM controlled by a penny pinching owner and fact is Karlsson is not the first loyal player to be shown the door here. Alfie was loyal as hell too, right up to them lowballing him out of town as well. There's a distinct pattern there and it all stems back to ownership and that Melnyk cares about his bottom line, not loyalty, and not his hockey team winning.

It's crap, and fans have every right to be mad. Leafs went through this enough for way too damn long themselves, so no it isn't new, but Ottawa has had one bad damn thing happen after another. This team is almost cursed at this point after the Pageau injury.

Karlsson had nothing but loyalty, showed nothing but class. You want to talk loyalty point the finger at a crap owner who doesn't know the meaning of the word there man. You totally have the wrong target!

They very clearly were loyal to him, I didn't like the deal but they got rid of Hoffman because of Karlsson. Then offered him an extension.

it's the simple fact if he was loyal, wanted to fix this team and lead and be part of the solution. He would have. Instead he's gone.... Really says something about Karlsson's character.
- Maverick1818

So wrong.

1. Players are supposed to be paid what they are worth. Pressure from the union is enormous. If Doughty got 11m per, EK is worth at least that much.

2. The superstars that are signing now are getting most of the money up front (lockout protection). Ottawa wasn't willing to do that. It was just as much about when he was getting paid as it was about how much.

Ek is the best Dman in the game, by a mile. To offer him anything less than thn what Doughty got (and when he got it) is a giant slap in the face.

The only nice thing about how this happend, is that I can still wear my EK jersey with pride. He didn't want to leave. He was forced out. Dorion admitted it on multiple occasions.

This is 100% on ownership and management.

Have to say loyalty only goes so far! Blind loyalty isn't something good. I get it, did he really want to stay? It's a fair question, especially given all the problems with harassment and losing a child etc. It may have weighed into things more, who's to say. That said you have a lame duck GM controlled by a penny pinching owner and fact is Karlsson is not the first loyal player to be shown the door here. Alfie was loyal as hell too, right up to them lowballing him out of town as well. There's a distinct pattern there and it all stems back to ownership and that Melnyk cares about his bottom line, not loyalty, and not his hockey team winning.

It's crap, and fans have every right to be mad. Leafs went through this enough for way too damn long themselves, so no it isn't new, but Ottawa has had one bad damn thing happen after another. This team is almost cursed at this point after the Pageau injury.

Karlsson had nothing but loyalty, showed nothing but class. You want to talk loyalty point the finger at a crap owner who doesn't know the meaning of the word there man. You totally have the wrong target!
- Roadrunner75

I'm not saying Karlsson is the only one to blame, I hate our owner and it's pretty common knowledge that out GM is brutal. All I'm saying is that the blame for Karlsson being traded is on all three of them. No one of them is a saint by any means.

BTW Alfie was not loyal. As much as people like to think he was a hockey God to was bleeding Ottawa. You have to remember he gave up on the Sens three times.

Once in the playoffs when he flat out gave up and on live tv and said they were done before that round was even over.

Second when BM offered him a blank cheque to get a deal done and instead he signed with the Red Wings while leading on Ottawa saying he would either resign or retire.

Third when he gave up his management position with the team without any explanation to fans.

So wrong.

1. Players are supposed to be paid what they are worth. Pressure from the union is enormous. If Doughty got 11m per, EK is worth at least that much.

2. The superstars that are signing now are getting most of the money up front (lockout protection). Ottawa wasn't willing to do that. It was just as much about when he was getting paid as it was about how much.

Ek is the best Dman in the game, by a mile. To offer him anything less than thn what Doughty got (and when he got it) is a giant slap in the face.

The only nice thing about how this happend, is that I can still wear my EK jersey with pride. He didn't want to leave. He was forced out. Dorion admitted it on multiple occasions.

This is 100% on ownership and management.
- Charliebox

#1. I agree he should have been paid. But keep in mind that Ottawa reportedly offered him between $10.5M - $11.5M on a max term. Last time I checked $11.5M is more than doughty.
#2. I would assume that would be part of negotiations, however Ottawa has been pretty open that Karlsson flat out said No and wasn't negotiating. Very much indicating he wanted out.

When has PD ever said that? All he's ever said that I've heard is "Karlsson will be given an extension offer" and "we want to sign Karlsson here, we want him to retire a Senator"

I'm not saying it's all on Karlsson because this team is a mess, ownership is a mess and our GM is terrible. But I'm absolutely going to stick with.... If Karlsson wanted to stay in Ottawa like he said he wanted too. He would still be here, He would have accepted or at least negotiated to stay here and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

He also said whatever this is?

https://mobile.twitter.co...tatus/1040412758943195136
- walshyleafsfan

Can you blame him for being drunk?

"and with the first overall, selection, the colorado avalanche are proud to select from USNT, Jack Hughes"

As for spatso ... I just keep scrolling ...
- sportsdataguy

#1. I agree he should have been paid. But keep in mind that Ottawa reportedly offered him between $10.5M - $11.5M on a max term. Last time I checked $11.5M is more than doughty.
#2. I would assume that would be part of negotiations, however Ottawa has been pretty open that Karlsson flat out said No and wasn't negotiating. Very much indicating he wanted out.

When has PD ever said that? All he's ever said that I've heard is "Karlsson will be given an extension offer" and "we want to sign Karlsson here, we want him to retire a Senator"

I'm not saying it's all on Karlsson because this team is a mess, ownership is a mess and our GM is terrible. But I'm absolutely going to stick with.... If Karlsson wanted to stay in Ottawa like he said he wanted too. He would still be here, He would have accepted or at least negotiated to stay here and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
- Maverick1818

Putting any blame for this debacle on Karlsson is literally the dumbest thing ever written on a website frequented by spatso and prock......let that sink in

This is 1000000000% on melnyk being a cheap, broke ass POS, and dorion being a completely incompetent GM

I plan on enjoying watching the kids grow. Delighted to see Formenton is going to get a shot at playing with Duchene and Dzingle. Not sure how they will make out at both ends of the ice but they will certainly be fast.

Tkachuck skated with Smith and Stone.

It will certainly be interesting if the Sens start the season with a rookie on each line and two D rookies (Wolanin and Jaros) in the starting six.

Despising the owner and enjoying the team is something that I have been doing for a long time. I think the Sens are going to be a lot of fun this year. Cheer for the kids.

Go to bed and say your prayers and know one morning you will get up to hear that somebody has driven a stake through Melnyk's heart.
- spatso

lol

Putting any blame for this debacle on Karlsson is literally the dumbest thing ever written on a website frequented by spatso and prock......let that sink in

This is 1000000000% on melnyk being a cheap, broke ass POS, and dorion being a completely incompetent GM
- sensarmy_11

ya it's all melynk, whoever can't see that needs to get with the program

Can you blame him for being drunk?

"and with the first overall, selection, the colorado avalanche are proud to select from USNT, Jack Hughes"
- winsix

I agree and that's my biggest issue with it that we didn't get enough. But i'm sticking with if he was loyal and he wanted to stay he would have signed the extension they offered him or at least negotiated
- Maverick1818

You do realize that the Sens didnt offer him a real contract right? It didnt have any structure to it, no year by year break down, nothing about NMC or NTC...they just presented him a number.

The Sens "offered him" a contract to try to save face but that blew up in their face once again bc the team of Melynk and Dorion aren't smart enough to see how transparent their moves are

They had no intentions of singing him, they really have no idea what they are doing, there was no master plan of started a rebuild in February. They really are just wining this thing and somehow traded the best player in Sens history on a short sighted plan.

Which sucks for this fan base as the dog and pony show will continue to go on

They very clearly were loyal to him, I didn't like the deal but they got rid of Hoffman because of Karlsson. Then offered him an extension.

it's the simple fact if he was loyal, wanted to fix this team and lead and be part of the solution. He would have. Instead he's gone.... Really says something about Karlsson's character.
- Maverick1818

Looks to me like he wants to win.

Putting any blame for this debacle on Karlsson is literally the dumbest thing ever written on a website frequented by spatso and prock......let that sink in

This is 1000000000% on melnyk being a cheap, broke ass POS, and dorion being a completely incompetent GM
- sensarmy_11

Good summary.

A complete poop show.

I agree and that's my biggest issue with it that we didn't get enough. But i'm sticking with if he was loyal and he wanted to stay he would have signed the extension they offered him or at least negotiated
- Maverick1818

Sens surely did not get enough. In fact, should Wilson not be able to sign Karlsson at the TDL it is still possible that Wilson could move EK for a much bigger haul than he paid. Karlsson signed a team friendly deal last go-around, his loyalty should not be questioned. More on the GM and the owner than the fans. The rebuild will start for real when Melnyk and Dorion are gone.