when someone says drug use is often about mental health issues, and you consistently say that "it's a choice" sure sounds like that's what you're saying. Either that or your views on people use of drugs is so smug and simplistic you actually have no idea what you are saying. I'm honestly not sure.
- neem55

Self medicating and drug use instead of other forms of help.

My views on drugs, are do whatever you want. Go ahead I don't care what someone does in their own time. If you die from doing drugs, I feel sorry for the pain the family members have to go through. I don't feel sympathy for the person that has caused all that pain.

Hansen had 2 assists today . I guess he really hated playing for those Shark bastards
- VANTEL

How do you think Grabner is going to do in Arizona?

Couple good years with the islanders. Wasn't very good in toronto. Pretty good with the Rangers but wasn't very good in New Jersey.

If he is playing on Pettersson's line he won't be playing 8 minutes a night. Jake was brought in as a bottom 6 forward.

Sometimes you got to use your head and read between the lines. Of course they are not going to give him a spot if he is mediocre or bad. I did't think I need to say if he continues to have a very good camp.
- VANTEL

I want to compare this scenario with what happened with Stecher when he showed well in camp, but got sent to Utica and was the first call up.

But not sure if it is the same with defense as forward. or maybe player impact?

anyway, haven't seen it mentioned, asset management.

So if Dahlen continues to show well.

If a Gagner or Granlund have any value in a trade to another club instead of being waived to make room for Dahlen, That should be explored, and maybe Dahlen starts in Utica.

or maybe Gagner and Granlund are attractive additions to another club when they are free on the waiver wire? so feck it, go with Dahlen, and live with whatever happens.

free up a contract too.

Even if Dahlen does show well, I'm okay with him starting in Utica. Never hurts to be patient. Camp and preseason is so short, nothing wrong with the club saying we want a bigger sample size before a player gets promoted to the nhl.

I'm excited for this training camp and who makes the roster but still expect or am prepared for small steps in development and a lottery pick at the end of the season. I want to see these kids in the Canuck lineup but am trying to restrain myself with a slow development approach.

- you're so quick to jump on my mistakes I was on that like a fat kid on a smartie.
- LeftCoaster

How do you think Grabner is going to do in Arizona?

Couple good years with the islanders. Wasn't very good in toronto. Pretty good with the Rangers but wasn't very good in New Jersey.
- manvanfan

I hope he does well . I like him.

The game played in the West is much harder than the East. Every night is a battle in the West.

Can you find me the exact quote that says that?

And If I thought "mental health" was a choice. Why would I be with a woman that deals with people that have mental health issues daily at her job? Do you think she would want to be with me if I thought mental health was a choice.
- manvanfan

You did say drug addiction was a choice though....

I want to compare this scenario with what happened with Stecher when he showed well in camp, but got sent to Utica and was the first call up.

But not sure if it is the same with defense as forward. or maybe player impact?

anyway, haven't seen it mentioned, asset management.

So if Dahlen continues to show well.

If a Gagner or Granlund have any value in a trade to another club instead of being waived to make room for Dahlen, That should be explored, and maybe Dahlen starts in Utica.

or maybe Gagner and Granlund are attractive additions to another club when they are free on the waiver wire? so feck it, go with Dahlen, and live with whatever happens.

free up a contract too.

Even if Dahlen does show well, I'm okay with him starting in Utica. Never hurts to be patient. Camp and preseason is so short, nothing wrong with the club saying we want a bigger sample size before a player gets promoted to the nhl.

I'm excited for this training camp and who makes the roster but still expect or am prepared for small steps in development and a lottery pick at the end of the season. I want to see these kids in the Canuck lineup but am trying to restrain myself with a slow development approach.
- hillbillydeluxe

We have got to get use to the idea that there is no value for Granlund Gagner Hutton otherwise they would have been traded last year. I don't care about asset management on players that have no value .

As you can see there are a few prospects that in the next few years are going to take jobs from the current roster. I don't want them slowed down because someone less talented is occupying their spot. Our prospect pool will grow year to year if we hang onto our picks.

If Dahlen or any other player shows this year at camp that they are ready and better than the current player then give them the job. I am not going to lose sleep if Gagner Goldobin Gaunce get scooped up by another team.

You did say drug addiction was a choice though....
- Pres.cup

No, I said doing drugs was a choice. If you have a "mental issue", you can go seek out professional help. Self medicating is not seeking out professional help.

Self medicating and drug use instead of other forms of help.

My views on drugs, are do whatever you want. Go ahead I don't care what someone does in their own time. If you die from doing drugs, I feel sorry for the pain the family members have to go through. I don't feel sympathy for the person that has caused all that pain.
- manvanfan

So ya, again. It's pretty clear you have no idea how psychological conditions and mental illness work at all, so maybe stick to hockey because your views are disgusting.

No, I said doing drugs was a choice. If you have a "mental issue", you can go seek out professional help. Self medicating is not seeking out professional help.
- manvanfan

Yes because you're a rational person, capable of seeking help/making rational choices based on your circumstance when you are mentally ill

mental issue?
yes, you see a professional and it's solved. Because that's how humans work. Wow dude, you need to give your head a shake.

This morning optimism is precious

We have got to get use to the idea that there is no value for Granlund Gagner Hutton otherwise they would have been traded last year. I don't care about asset management on players that have no value .

As you can see there are a few prospects that in the next few years are going to take jobs from the current roster. I don't want them slowed down because someone less talented is occupying their spot. Our prospect pool will grow year to year if we hang onto our picks.

If Dahlen or any other player shows this year at camp that they are ready and better than the current player then give them the job. I am not going to lose sleep if Gagner Goldobin Gaunce get scooped up by another team.
- VANTEL

Malcolm Subban
Patrick Nemeth
Adam Cracknell
Annti Niemi (twice)
Gabriel Dumount (twice)
Nate Prosser (twice)
Nathan Walker
Chris DiDomenico
Brandon Davidson
Ryan Carpenter
Freddie Hamilton
J.T. Brown
Jussi Jokinen
Cody Mcleod
Magnus Puljarvi
Taylor Chorney
Chris Stewart
Johnny Oduya
Mark Alt


These are about 1/10 of the players placed on waivers last season but these players were claimed. I don't think anyone on this list is better then Gagner or Granlund.

So, we have Stone, Seguin, Karlsson, Panarin and Duchene.

Who do you see the Canucks taking a run at? Who should we go after?

Malcolm Subban
Patrick Nemeth
Adam Cracknell
Annti Niemi (twice)
Gabriel Dumount (twice)
Nate Prosser (twice)
Nathan Walker
Chris DiDomenico
Brandon Davidson
Ryan Carpenter
Freddie Hamilton
J.T. Brown
Jussi Jokinen
Cody Mcleod
Magnus Puljarvi
Taylor Chorney
Chris Stewart
Johnny Oduya
Mark Alt


These are about 1/10 of the players placed on waivers last season but these players were claimed. I don't think anyone on this list is better then Gagner or Granlund.
- manvanfan

If someone took Gagner , would that not be a good thing for may reasons ?

Frees up 3 mil per year and means there is a better player in the system?

No, I said doing drugs was a choice. If you have a "mental issue", you can go seek out professional help. Self medicating is not seeking out professional help.
- manvanfan

Why the need to put mental issues in quotation marks? Reads as if you're downplaying their significance.

Addiction and drug use is a more nuanced and difficult subject than you're making it out to be. The way we as a society think of and treat addiction/drug use is pretty off. If you have five minutes, this is a pretty good video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao8L-0nSYzg

If someone took Gagner , would that not be a good thing for may reasons ?

Frees up 3 mil per year and means there is a better player in the system?
- VANTEL

I'd like to see Gagner play the power play minutes and get dealt. No reason to rush the kids. I'm not changing my perspective based on a prospects game of shinny.

So, we have Stone, Seguin, Karlsson, Panarin and Duchene.

Who do you see the Canucks taking a run at? Who should we go after?
- neem55

No one. Draft and develop. I’d consider a marquee UFA in the summer of 2020 not next year.

So ya, again. It's pretty clear you have no idea how psychological conditions and mental illness work at all, so maybe stick to hockey because your views are disgusting.
- neem55

My wife who is trained in dealing with mental health is reading these comments and says she thinks it's the other way around.

I'm going to believe someone with 4 years of schooling and 5 years of working with people with mental health issues. My auntie who in British Columbia was a psych nurse for 37 years. One of my father's oldest friends was a psych nurse for 40 years! Who i've had more then a few extensive conversations about mental health.

Telling me, i'm "disgusting" for having actual professionals tell me about these things on a constant basis for the better portion of my life since I could fully understand.

I'd like to see Gagner play the power play minutes and get dealt. No reason to rush the kids. I'm not changing my perspective based on a prospects game of shinny.
- neem55

Very simplistic way to look at it.We will just ignore the speed ,the skill , the back checking , the finish , the passing .

You guys need to pay more attention tho the phrase IF HE CONTINUES THIS THE REST OF THE CAMP

No one. Draft and develop. I’d consider a marquee UFA in the summer of 2020 not next year.
- CanuckDon

thats two years from now. it would be negligent to not consider young UFA's next summer IMO.

I'd love to get Stone... suspect we end up with Duchene

Wholly (frank)!! I should of stayed in bed.

My wife who is trained in dealing with mental health is reading these comments and says she thinks it's the other way around.

I'm going to believe someone with 4 years of schooling and 5 years of working with people with mental health issues. My auntie who in British Columbia was a psych nurse for 37 years. One of my father's oldest friends was a psych nurse for 40 years! Who i've had more then a few extensive conversations about mental health.

Telling me, i'm "disgusting" for having actual professionals tell me about these things on a constant basis for the better portion of my life since I could fully understand.
- manvanfan

Well then I feel sorry for people being treated by you family members if their beliefs really are that mentally ill people are at fault for their own addictions and not seeking help. That's just a brutal Ayn Rand way of looking at people and rationality, it's not that black and white.

Wholly (frank)!! I should of stayed in bed.
- A_SteamingLombardi

It's all about what's in the coffee.

thats two years from now. it would be negligent to not consider young UFA's next summer IMO.

I'd love to get Stone... suspect we end up with Duchene
- neem55

It would be prudent to not go after expensive UFA s not negligent. We don’t need two LOUIs slowing this team down when our young prospects are ready to push for the playoffs.

It's all about what's in the coffee.
- hillbillydeluxe

Coffee is a drug.