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Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HI
Joined: 11.03.2015

Sep 5 @ 12:15 PM ET
VDV was a bust,
just like frost if he doesn't start benching 350 10X.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 5 @ 12:36 PM ET
I agree. My point was that Hextall plays his cards close to the chest... He will respond to questions with a "political" answer, not what he believes. Like BiggE said, you have to read between the lines. But, I think the fans in general (me included) - want to hear Hextall say that rookie player X is a lock.. And, it will never happen.
- leon neon



I don't think Hextall does that at all. I just think he only gives so much. I think Hextall was pretty clear in his comments regarding Frost.

I do agree that Hextall saying a player is a lock will never happen. Why would a GM send that message to a young player even if he was?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Sep 5 @ 12:53 PM ET
I don't think Hextall does that at all. I just think he only gives so much. I think Hextall was pretty clear in his comments regarding Frost.

I do agree that Hextall saying a player is a lock will never happen. Why would a GM send that message to a young player even if he was?

- MJL


There are some exceptions. I can't imagine anyone as a GM saying in the summer of '92 "well we are certainly going to give that Lindros kid a shot to make the team, but it all depends on how he does in camp"

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 5 @ 12:58 PM ET
There are some exceptions. I can't imagine anyone as a GM saying in the summer of '92 "well we are certainly going to give that Lindros kid a shot to make the team, but it all depends on how he does in camp"


- BiggE


Who would ask a GM if a player like Lindros was going to make the team? Everyone knew that he was going to.
cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Sep 5 @ 1:05 PM ET
Who would ask a GM if a player like Lindros was going to make the team? Everyone knew that he was going to.
- MJL


Tim P., Borek, any reporter from NBC Sports Philly...
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Sep 5 @ 1:06 PM ET
Tim P., Borek, any reporter from NBC Sports Philly...
- cdearth23

👍😂
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 5 @ 1:08 PM ET
I don't think Hextall does that at all. I just think he only gives so much. I think Hextall was pretty clear in his comments regarding Frost.

I do agree that Hextall saying a player is a lock will never happen. Why would a GM send that message to a young player even if he was?

- MJL


I can't imagine that any GM would hesitate in saying that either of McDavid or Matthews weren't locks in their rookie years.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Sep 5 @ 1:12 PM ET
Guys in back to back to back drafts we got Provy, TK, Hart, Nopa, and Frost...just let that sink in
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Sep 5 @ 1:13 PM ET
Guys in back to back to back drafts we got Provy, TK, Hart, Nopa, and Frost...just let that sink in
- bulet13

but we missed out on Weber so what's your point?
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Sep 5 @ 1:16 PM ET
I don't think Bellemare magically changed his game last year. It's amazing how much better a player can look when he's playing with legit NHL players.
- jmatchett383


I don't think Belly was the problem with that line
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 5 @ 1:25 PM ET
but we missed out on Weber so what's your point?
- YuenglingJagr


Easy solution: Trade them all, and whatever first round picks are required, for Weber.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Sep 5 @ 1:27 PM ET
I don't think Belly was the problem with that line
- bulet13

Never was, always passed the eye test. His numbers from 14-16 with the Flyers are pretty much identical to what he did last year with Vegas.
leon neon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: GA
Joined: 02.16.2009

Sep 5 @ 1:32 PM ET
With less than a month to go now, this is how I expect the Flyers to line up for the opening game.

Giroux-Couturier-Konecny
JVR-Patrick-Voracek
Lindblom-Weal-Simmonds
Lehtera-Laughton-Raffl
Leier, Weise

Provorov-Ghost
Hagg-MacDonald
Sanheim-Gudas
Folin

- Feanor


Who's better, Gudas or Folin? Neither are offensive superstars... I don't know Folin's game, but I assume he may have the edge on puck handling, but Gudas is better hitter - and they are a push with defense?
Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HI
Joined: 11.03.2015

Sep 5 @ 1:36 PM ET
Guys in back to back to back drafts we got Provy, TK, Hart, Nopa, and Frost...just let that sink in
- bulet13
looks great on computer screen.

BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Sep 5 @ 1:37 PM ET
Who's better, Gudas or Folin? Neither are offensive superstars... I don't know Folin's game, but I assume he may have the edge on puck handling, but Gudas is better hitter - and they are a push with defense?
- leon neon


Gudas, for most of his career, has been a solid 2nd pair defensive Dman with ok skills. Folin, OTOH, is a generic 6/7 guy who is basically comparable to the struggling Gudas we saw last year. Even if Gudas only somewhat bounces back, he's a better player than Folin.

Honestly, I'm hoping that by some point this season, Myers can beat them both out.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Sep 5 @ 1:40 PM ET
looks great on computer screen.
- Konalover


3 of them already look great in Orange and Black

Also I posted that on mobile soooo
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Sep 5 @ 1:41 PM ET
Who's better, Gudas or Folin? Neither are offensive superstars... I don't know Folin's game, but I assume he may have the edge on puck handling, but Gudas is better hitter - and they are a push with defense?
- leon neon


The Gudas of last year was significantly worse than the Gudas of his first two seasons here. Gudas is certainly better now, and much better if he bounces back
Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HI
Joined: 11.03.2015

Sep 5 @ 1:52 PM ET
Gudas, for most of his career, has been a solid 2nd pair defensive Dman with ok skills. Folin, OTOH, is a generic 6/7 guy who is basically comparable to the struggling Gudas we saw last year. Even if Gudas only somewhat bounces back, he's a better player than Folin.

Honestly, I'm hoping that by some point this season, Myers can beat them both out.

- BiggE
I really hope Myers shocks us and just has a monster preseason make both others odd men out.
Didn't he stay up right till bitter end last year?
He does have some chemistry with Sanheim.

cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Sep 5 @ 2:03 PM ET
Gudas, for most of his career, has been a solid 2nd pair defensive Dman with ok skills. Folin, OTOH, is a generic 6/7 guy who is basically comparable to the struggling Gudas we saw last year. Even if Gudas only somewhat bounces back, he's a better player than Folin.

Honestly, I'm hoping that by some point this season, Myers can beat them both out.

- BiggE


We haven't really talked much about Folin as he has been targeted as 7th guy from beginning.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Sep 5 @ 2:27 PM ET
I don't think Hextall does that at all. I just think he only gives so much. I think Hextall was pretty clear in his comments regarding Frost.

I do agree that Hextall saying a player is a lock will never happen. Why would a GM send that message to a young player even if he was?

- MJL

The point I was trying to make with Carter and Richards is you shouldn’t send this sort of message to young players ever. I think we all knew Nolan Patrick was gonna make the team the moment he was drafted but you still have to earn a spot out of camp.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Sep 5 @ 2:30 PM ET
The point I was trying to make with Carter and Richards is you shouldn’t send this sort of message to young players ever. I think we all knew Nolan Patrick was gonna make the team the moment he was drafted but you still have to earn a spot out of camp.
- SuperSchennBros

Which current management has not, shut up about it. Every year, all they give us is blank has to come in an earn a spot why are you harping on this?
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Sep 5 @ 2:31 PM ET
Tim P., Borek, any reporter from NBC Sports Philly...
- cdearth23

Borek has taken a lot of heat from of you this summer. I have no idea who this guy is. I can’t stand Timmy P. I don’t know how some of you ended up here but if you were heee ten years ago, we were commenting on Tim’s board before Bill started giving out accurate information.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Sep 5 @ 2:32 PM ET
Which current management has not, shut up about it. Every year, all they give us is blank has to come in an earn a spot why are you harping on this?
- ClaudeFather

Nobody is harping on anything. I was responding and adding to a point that was made, tough guy. Who are you to tell anyone to shut up?
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Sep 5 @ 2:34 PM ET
Nobody is harping on anything. I was responding and adding to a point that was made, tough guy. Who are you to tell anyone to shut up?
- SuperSchennBros

Dude, you responded like 3 times to the same thing about earning a spot, has management shown anything besides you have to come in and earn a spot? Didn't think so, end of discussion. I'm the Mayor around here boiii.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Sep 5 @ 2:35 PM ET
We haven't really talked much about Folin as he has been targeted as 7th guy from beginning.
- cdearth23


I’m Folin’ fine about that I tell you what.
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