Dan Rosen: "Spoke to Evgeni Malkin this morning at the NHL's Player Media Tour. Penguins fans are going to love this from him: "Right now, I feel only fresh. I had a good rest this summer, I worked hard, and I [have] never felt so excited to play than this year."" https://mobile.twitter.co...s/1037733671938269185?p=p

I get what both you & Vic are saying. It's a good/great point about cheap on ice performance has more value than a more expensive player that doesn't give value for money & I agree with that.

But when you talk a difference of several million $$$$ then i belive it's hard to not give the advantage to the player paid more when 1 player is playing minimum wage. That big of difference, the higher earner is doing something that warrants the considerably larger salary. You expect less from a 650k player & therefore whenever those types play well it's magnified due to the cheap cost. JR put 650k value on Ruhwedel & he accepted it. Do you think he deserves more? Why wouldn't a player try & maximise his earning potential as a lot do when they down at that level of salary?

Do you think Johnson's should be getting Ruhwedel $$$?

Sure there's are bargains out there - & plenty of them. Good players getting underpaid. What was Stemniak getting paid by the Devils? Gibbons last season? In this scenario you would say Gibbons value is higher than Hagelin using your logic. Would you agree? But value isn't always a sign of talent. Would Gibbons have had that type of impact (12g 14 a), on the Pens? Probably not, & he certainly didn't when he played for the Pens. Can Ruhwedel go & play 14 seasons & keep an NHL position across several different teams like Johnson has. He hasn't so far & hes 28 years old. Other teams found Johnson was worth paying over those 14 seasons. Ruhwedel couldn't even crack a poopty Buffalo team consistently. Does that mean anything now? Maybe, maybe not. But again, to say a guy paid 650k with inconsistent NHL experience has more value than a 14 season player is not correct in my opinion. Just with that, you would play the guy that has 14 seasons first before the guy that couldn't crack Buffalo, then if the 14 season vet poops the bed, you throw your cheap alternative into the fray, because he's just that - a cheap alternative that people have low expectations for.
- Aussiepenguin

It all depends on what they bring to the ice this year. Previous years dont matter at all. You dont know the true value of a contract/player until its/he's put to use, so saying that because someone is paid more it makes them better value makes zero sense.

Dan Rosen: "Spoke to Evgeni Malkin this morning at the NHL's Player Media Tour. Penguins fans are going to love this from him: "Right now, I feel only fresh. I had a good rest this summer, I worked hard, and I
- VeryModernMan[have] never felt so excited to play than this year."" https://mobile.twitter.co...s/1037733671938269185?p=p

It all depends on what they bring to the ice this year. Previous years dont matter at all. You dont know the true value of a contract/player until its/he's put to use, so saying that because someone is paid more it makes them better value makes zero sense.
- MattStrat

Do you know how this topic even came up? So a 14 year veteran that just signed a brand spanking new contract for 'substantial' $$$ is valued by Wilson as the same as a player that just signed a brand new contract worth league minimum that has an inconsistant ride between the NHL & AHL? My comments were based on Johnson & Ruhwedel. But if you want to make the general comment as Vic turned this into, then I go back to my previous points. Are you saying Johnson should be only getting 650k? Or Ruhwedel getting 3.5m? Or both the same $$ in between? What's your opinion on both their contracts as you've said both are pretty even value on the ice?

Do you know how this topic even came up? So a 14 year veteran that just signed a brand spanking new contract for 'substantial' $$$ is valued by Wilson as the same as a player that just signed a brand new contract worth league minimum that has an inconsistant ride between the NHL & AHL? My comments were based on Johnson & Ruhwedel. But if you want to make the general comment as Vic turned this into, then I go back to my previous points. Are you saying Johnson should be only getting 650k? Or Ruhwedel getting 3.5m? Or both the same $$ in between? What's your opinion on both their contracts as you've said both are pretty even value on the ice?
- Aussiepenguin

No Aussie, thats not what I've said. Are you trying to stir the pot here? hahah you cheeky bugger. I know you have better reading comprehension than that...or I hope you do. I actually said we wont know the value until the games are played. Ive used "if" when discussing IF they play at a similar level, then Rudy is the better value.

As for you first question, no, I dont know how it came up.

EDIT: sorry, I skipped a question of yours. I think JJ should of gotten a 1 year for 1.0/1.5 mill deal and if Rudy was paid 1 mill I wouldnt lose sleep over it at all.

Dan Rosen: "Spoke to Evgeni Malkin this morning at the NHL's Player Media Tour. Penguins fans are going to love this from him: "Right now, I feel only fresh. I had a good rest this summer, I worked hard, and I
- VeryModernMan[have] never felt so excited to play than this year."" https://mobile.twitter.co...s/1037733671938269185?p=p

As 1 of the comments said, "I am score"!

No Aussie, thats not what I've said. Are you trying to stir the pot here? hahah you cheeky bugger. I know you have better reading comprehension than that...or I hope you do. I actually said we wont know the value until the games are played. Ive used "if" when discussing IF they play at a similar level, then Rudy is the better value.

As for you first question, no, I dont know how it came up.

EDIT: sorry, I skipped a question of yours. I think JJ should of gotten a 1 year for 1.0/1.5 mill deal and if Rudy was paid 1 mill I wouldnt lose sleep over it at all.
- MattStrat

Not trying to start something! Vic threw me into a 'you & Grinder always finish up by saying more money is better, & the GM always knows best', googly. No idea why he thinks that but. I said Johnson would be on the ice first game or alluded to it, over Ruhwedel. I made my arguement due to him just signing the contract which is considerably more than Ruhwedel just signed for. Now regardless of 'value' on ice which we aren't going to know until he actually plays, Johnson will get the nod due to the 3.5m he just signed for as he 'has' more value than the 650k Ruhwedel. That's a fact as they both just signed contracts. Now what is wrong with saying that? Do I think Johnson is better than Ruhwedel? I have no idea at this stage as he hasn't played for the Pens yet. But I am looking forward to seeing him play, I'm not bothered if Ruhwedel plays or not. But that's just me. If Johnson poops the bed, no problem, show him the door as Ruhwedel is walking in. I would like the Pens winning again next May/June. Whichever Dman has more value then, I'll be happy to discuss.

As 1 of the comments said, "I am score"!
- Aussiepenguin

There was a guy seen rigging our captains pre-season preparation, any help to identify him are highly appreciated by the Pittsburgh Police Department! This guy must be catched by his root.

No Aussie, thats not what I've said. Are you trying to stir the pot here? hahah you cheeky bugger. I know you have better reading comprehension than that...or I hope you do. I actually said we wont know the value until the games are played. Ive used "if" when discussing IF they play at a similar level, then Rudy is the better value.

As for you first question, no, I dont know how it came up.

EDIT: sorry, I skipped a question of yours. I think JJ should of gotten a 1 year for 1.0/1.5 mill deal and if Rudy was paid 1 mill I wouldnt lose sleep over it at all.
- MattStrat

Sorry but that's what I understood when you said, "I hope I'm wrong but I dont see JJ being that much better than Rudy if at all".

There was a guy seen rigging our captains pre-season preparation, any help to identify him are highly appreciated by the Pittsburgh Police Department! This guy must be catched by his root.


- VeryModernMan

Grab him by his 'Johnson'?

Grab him by his 'Johnson'?
- Aussiepenguin

Joke is we owe another franchise still a 2020 2nd for taking this goaltending plant and now paying him 1,25Mio more... maybe GMJR should have at least built in a resigning-clause.

Not trying to start something! Vic threw me into a 'you & Grinder always finish up by saying more money is better, & the GM always knows best', googly. No idea why he thinks that but. I said Johnson would be on the ice first game or alluded to it, over Ruhwedel. I made my arguement due to him just signing the contract which is considerably more than Ruhwedel just signed for. Now regardless of 'value' on ice which we aren't going to know until he actually plays, Johnson will get the nod due to the 3.5m he just signed for as he 'has' more value than the 650k Ruhwedel. That's a fact as they both just signed contracts. Now what is wrong with saying that? Do I think Johnson is better than Ruhwedel? I have no idea at this stage as he hasn't played for the Pens yet. But I am looking forward to seeing him play, I'm not bothered if Ruhwedel plays or not. But that's just me. If Johnson poops the bed, no problem, show him the door as Ruhwedel is walking in. I would like the Pens winning again next May/June. Whichever Dman has more value then, I'll be happy to discuss.
- Aussiepenguin

Circles....talking in circles.

Sorry but that's what I understood when you said, "I hope I'm wrong but I dont see JJ being that much better than Rudy if at all".
- Aussiepenguin

...and just ignore everything else I said? ok

When i was a pupil back in school, we went to our final graduation-trip to Prague/Czech mid 90ies, and sitting in a small pub i mentioned that i'm a big fan of #68 Jagr to the bartender, and the whole pub went really crazy giving us a very heartly welcome!

Thanks for your interesting landscape-lines about Colorado... when i think about it, i often have John Denver in my ears ("Rocky Mountain High"...).
- VeryModernMan

Oh no, once you get 30 mins west of Denver its pretty spectacular and yes there is the Rocky Mountain "High". But when you land at the airport and look around as they said in Dumb and Dumber..."that john Denver is full of sh!t"

...and just ignore everything else I said? ok
- MattStrat

He has to stay true to his brand.

As 1 of the comments said, "I am score"!
- Aussiepenguin

Shoot the puck, shoot everyone.

Shoot the puck, shoot everyone.
- jmatchett383

Malkin wins both Art Ross and Hart! You read it here second (i posted it already somewhere else ). Call your Vegas-dealer now, bet the house and thank me after the season.

dang Mac Miller died

dang Mac Miller died
- YuenglingJagr

Def. a Sabres great! RIP

...and just ignore everything else I said? ok
- MattStrat

Not at all. But you did say you didn't say that, I'm juśt showing you you did.

Pretty sure I agree with what you have said in general as a 'general' term, but I disagree with you about the actual point with which I commented, which is, Johnson has more value than Ruhwedel at the moment to start the season & there shouldn't be the / when putting forward the D pairings with Ruhwedel & Johnson together.

Circles....talking in circles.
- MattStrat

Interpretations can often differ in text format than verbal communications. I think you're sticking hard to something I'm not disputing in general, but you're not accepting what point Im trying to convey.

It's pretty simple, youre saying Johnsons value isn't higher than Ruhwedels at the moment for the Pens organisation & in general. I'm saying that it is.

My buddies Aussie and Matt, the simple truth is
a) The 5year-contract sucks in term, and most likely also in U$D
b) We can't change it, it is what it is (yes, we got a little toasted in UFA-frenzy)
c) Let's wait a few games, before returning to this great debate
d) And the positive thing: We at least find worse contracts with most other teams

My buddies Aussie and Matt, the simple truth is
a) The 5year-contract sucks in term, and most likely also in U$D
b) We can't change it, it is what it is (yes, we got a little toasted in UFA-frenzy)
c) Let's wait a few games, before returning to this great debate
d) And the positive thing: We at least find worse contracts with most other teams
- VeryModernMan

e) The CBA is expiring in two years and most likely a couple of compliance buyouts will be included.

e) The CBA is expiring in two years and most likely a couple of compliance buyouts will be included.
- madmike71

So Lucic is going to be available on the cheap in 2 years?

Not sure the Oil can wait that long.

I know you have better reading comprehension than that...or I hope you do.
- MattStrat

This is your biggest mistake