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Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Aug 18 @ 9:04 AM ET
I think he will, he's been very good at every level he's ever played at, and, like Konecny, he has the ability to play either side. I'm really hoping to see a more balanced lineup that looks something like:

Giroux-Couturier-Voracek
JVR-Patrick-Lindblom
Konecny-Laughton-Simmonds
Raffl-???-Aube-Kubel

??? could be Lehtera, Weal or perhaps Vecchione.

- BiggE


I think this is a more likely lineup.

Giroux-Couturier-Konecny
JVR-Patrick-Voracek
Lindblom-Weal-Simmonds
Lehtera-Laughton-Raffl
Leier, Weise
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 18 @ 9:08 AM ET
I think this is a more likely lineup.

Giroux-Couturier-Konecny
JVR-Patrick-Voracek
Lindblom-Weal-Simmonds
Lehtera-Laughton-Raffl
Leier, Weise

- Feanor


I'd be fine with that except I'm really hoping that Aube-Kubel can win a spot so the 4th line would be:
Raffl-Laughton-NAK
spares: Lehtera and Weise or Leier
waived: Weise or Leier
DraftandDestroy
Arizona Coyotes
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Joined: 11.15.2016

Aug 18 @ 9:15 AM ET
I'd be fine with that except I'm really hoping that Aube-Kubel can win a spot so the 4th line would be:
Raffl-Laughton-NAK
spares: Lehtera and Weise or Leier
waived: Weise or Leier

- BiggE

Weise, not one of Hextall’s finer moments
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Aug 18 @ 9:45 AM ET
I wasn’t sure about Weal at 3C when Hexy first mentioned it, but after some thought, I am sold on giving it a try. He will have good wingers. I really think Lindblom might be good at center if he can start out slowly. Maybe he can just give some face offs a go. I think that is important if he is on the PK too.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Aug 18 @ 9:58 AM ET
I think Weal stays on the wing, Laughton is your 3C and Lehtera is your 4C, possibly being replaced by Vorobyev or Vecc if he struggles.
cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Aug 18 @ 10:06 AM ET
I'd be fine with that except I'm really hoping that Aube-Kubel can win a spot so the 4th line would be:
Raffl-Laughton-NAK
spares: Lehtera and Weise or Leier
waived: Weise or Leier

- BiggE


I am really interested in seeing Weal in the 3C role in camp. The clips I saw of him in AHL as a center were solid. Good speed, facilitated some scoring chances.

Regardless of 3C, I hope that we give the lines enough time to gel and build chemistry. TK on top line for full year could be beneficial. Patty and JvR could be a nice pair for Jake. Lindblom and Simmer can help each other.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Aug 18 @ 10:11 AM ET
The defense pairs bother me far more than 3C or the 4th line. I am just not a fan of what I saw from Gudas last year. Hagg was good at even strength but I thought he was not good at PK.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 18 @ 10:36 AM ET
The defense pairs bother me far more than 3C or the 4th line. I am just not a fan of what I saw from Gudas last year. Hagg was good at even strength but I thought he was not good at PK.
- NC Flyers Fan


Yeah, I'm not a fan of a Hagg/Gudas pairing. If they are going to keep Ghost with Provorov, then I'd go with:

Provorov-Ghost
Sanheim-Gudas
AMac-Hagg

However, as much I don't want AMac on the top pair, I think the best balanced pairings would be:

Provorov-AMac
Ghost-Hagg
Sanheim-Gudas


BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 18 @ 10:37 AM ET
I am really interested in seeing Weal in the 3C role in camp. The clips I saw of him in AHL as a center were solid. Good speed, facilitated some scoring chances.

Regardless of 3C, I hope that we give the lines enough time to gel and build chemistry. TK on top line for full year could be beneficial. Patty and JvR could be a nice pair for Jake. Lindblom and Simmer can help each other.

- cdearth23


Weal, at least on paper, should be a good fit between Lindblom and Simmonds. He gives the line some offense creativity and is a good playmaker. Gotta see how it works out on the ice though.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Aug 18 @ 10:40 AM ET
Yeah, I'm not a fan of a Hagg/Gudas pairing. If they are going to keep Ghost with Provorov, then I'd go with:

Provorov-Ghost
Sanheim-Gudas
AMac-Hagg

However, as much I don't want AMac on the top pair, I think the best balanced pairings would be:

Provorov-AMac
Ghost-Hagg
Sanheim-Gudas

- BiggE



I like the Ghost-Hagg pairing but no matter how I think of the rest, someone ends up playing higher than ideal.

I would like to give Folin a chance over Gudas.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 18 @ 10:49 AM ET
I like the Ghost-Hagg pairing but no matter how I think of the rest, someone ends up playing higher than ideal.

I would like to give Folin a chance over Gudas.

- NC Flyers Fan


If Folin earns it, then sure play him over Gudas. However, Folin is really just a 6/7 journeyman while Gudas, prior to last season, has been a pretty solid player most of his career. I'm hoping that Gudas bounces back to some degree.
cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Aug 18 @ 10:53 AM ET
I like the Ghost-Hagg pairing but no matter how I think of the rest, someone ends up playing higher than ideal.

I would like to give Folin a chance over Gudas.

- NC Flyers Fan


Seems like every year we have a few players slotted above their talent level. Read and Raffl come to mind. AMac too. Raffl can be effective as 4th line wing. Similar to Reads role at end of year. Perfect for them. Only injuries should force them up line up. I hate when we start messing with lines during year. Chemistry is key.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Aug 18 @ 10:54 AM ET
Weise, not one of Hextall’s finer moments
- DraftandDestroy


He'd be ok as a 4th liner if he actually engages himself in the game.
cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Aug 18 @ 10:56 AM ET
If Folin earns it, then sure play him over Gudas. However, Folin is really just a 6/7 journeyman while Gudas, prior to last season, has been a pretty solid player most of his career. I'm hoping that Gudas bounces back to some degree.
- BiggE


Agreed. Gudas really had an issue with that 1st pass last year. I swear he led the league in icings... I don't mind the physical as long as he is smart. And I don't mean in practice. Took Coots out and no suspension from NHL. 😀
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Aug 18 @ 10:57 AM ET
The defense pairs bother me far more than 3C or the 4th line. I am just not a fan of what I saw from Gudas last year. Hagg was good at even strength but I thought he was not good at PK.
- NC Flyers Fan


Truth.

Defense really isn't all that, but it's looking like in a couple seasons if these guys pan out could be a staple for quite a while.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Aug 18 @ 11:33 AM ET
I think this is a more likely lineup.

Giroux-Couturier-Konecny
JVR-Patrick-Voracek
Lindblom-Weal-Simmonds
Lehtera-Laughton-Raffl
Leier, Weise

- Feanor


How long has it been since the Flyers had a line (that had actual hockey skill) with the size of JVR-Patrick-Voracek?
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Aug 18 @ 11:43 AM ET
Agreed. Gudas really had an issue with that 1st pass last year. I swear he led the league in icings... I don't mind the physical as long as he is smart. And I don't mean in practice. Took Coots out and no suspension from NHL. 😀
- cdearth23


I was sour on Gudas before the Coots incident. That was accidental but really unfunny. Come on Folin!
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Aug 18 @ 11:51 AM ET
Hextall drafts well, but he never seems to make a big move for any decent ufas. So they come here where the action is so that they can believe that their team is relevant.
- Canhockeyfan


Saw this in another thread and made me think about the impact of signing big name UFAs.

Question for anyone:

When was the last time a big name UFA signing pushed a team over the edge to win a Stanley Cup?

The names I could think of that truly made a major impact:

Scott Stevens (1991) New Jersey
Ed Belfour (1997) Dallas
Scott Niedermayer (2005) Anaheim
Zdeno Chara (2006) Boston

Mostly key positions, goaltending and defense.

Any other suggestions?
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Aug 18 @ 11:55 AM ET
I am really interested in seeing Weal in the 3C role in camp. The clips I saw of him in AHL as a center were solid. Good speed, facilitated some scoring chances.

Regardless of 3C, I hope that we give the lines enough time to gel and build chemistry. TK on top line for full year could be beneficial. Patty and JvR could be a nice pair for Jake. Lindblom and Simmer can help each other.

- cdearth23



Yet two teams now have basically been meh on him in many ways.
Weal is what he is I would think at this point.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Aug 18 @ 11:58 AM ET
Seems like every year we have a few players slotted above their talent level. Read and Raffl come to mind. AMac too. Raffl can be effective as 4th line wing. Similar to Reads role at end of year. Perfect for them. Only injuries should force them up line up. I hate when we start messing with lines during year. Chemistry is key.
- cdearth23


Raffl is good on the boards, driving the play, defensively responsible and occasionally flashes Star-level offense. He is best at a bottom 6 role and PK. I think some think worse of him because he gets used outside his ideal, like the 1st line, when there is injury.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Aug 18 @ 12:39 PM ET
Saw this in another thread and made me think about the impact of signing big name UFAs.

Question for anyone:

When was the last time a big name UFA signing pushed a team over the edge to win a Stanley Cup?

The names I could think of that truly made a major impact:

Scott Stevens (1991) New Jersey
Ed Belfour (1997) Dallas
Scott Niedermayer (2005) Anaheim
Zdeno Chara (2006) Boston

Mostly key positions, goaltending and defense.

Any other suggestions?

- Glak18


I think Phil Kessel qualifies for Pittsburgh, 2016. He was a big UFA signing and nearly PPG.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Aug 18 @ 12:42 PM ET
I think Phil Kessel qualifies for Pittsburgh, 2016. He was a big UFA signing and nearly PPG.
- NC Flyers Fan


Kessel was traded to Pittsburgh from Toronto.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 18 @ 12:49 PM ET
Kessel was traded to Pittsburgh from Toronto.
- Glak18


Scott Stevens was not acquired by NJ as a free agent. He was awarded to NJ through arbitration as compensation for the Blues signing Shanahan as an RFA.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Aug 18 @ 12:50 PM ET
Scott Stevens was not acquired by NJ as a free agent. He was awarded to NJ through arbitration as compensation for the Blues signing Shanahan as an RFA.
- MJL


Correct. Strike Stevens off the list.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Aug 18 @ 1:01 PM ET
Correct. Strike Stevens off the list.
- Glak18


How about Brett Hull in 98 for Dallas.

EDIT: And in Detroit in 2001.
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