He’s shown to of bring every flame he’s played with down....he not only sucks but he is a black hole whenever he is on the ice.

He will get a PTO and will either go to Europe or sign a league min contract and be sent down after 1 and a half games in the NHL
- Santo_44

Different team, different skills, different situation. He had no problem playing in Washington or St. Louis. He didn't fit in Calgary and at 4.5 million per year, they were right to buy him out. But 1 year, at 900K on the 4th line is barely a risk. If not him, Scott Hartnell who scored 13 goals last year playing limited minutes. Just somebody who plays with some grit and has some size.

He's 28, far from old. It's not an overpayment because he's a two-time Norris winner who can score 70-80 points and he fills a need on the team.

Nobody in management is "dumb" enough to improve the team? That's a shame.
- Unholy_Goalie

Fine.
Gardiner and a 1st.
Thats it.
Maybe toss in perma ahler leivo and a B level prospect.
The sens are running a risk of losing Karlsson for nothing. No way in hell the leafs should trade dump a great offer on their table.

Must be why they signed Tyler Ennis, one of the smallest, pooptiest players in the league.
- Unholy_Goalie

Dubas is a genius.

Cause.

Different team, different skills, different situation. He had no problem playing in Washington or St. Louis. He didn't fit in Calgary and at 4.5 million per year, they were right to buy him out. But 1 year, at 900K on the 4th line is barely a risk. If not him, Scott Hartnell who scored 13 goals last year playing limited minutes. Just somebody who plays with some grit and has some size.
- Unholy_Goalie

Have to disagree man. He would just take Komarov's place on the PP and we'd all complain the entire year. Brouwer was always a PP specialist power forward and he lost his PP effectiveness. Now he's just a husk. Hartnell would be interesting at 800k.

Fine.
Gardiner and a 1st.
Thats it.
Maybe toss in perma ahler leivo and a B level prospect.
The sens are running a risk of losing Karlsson for nothing. No way in hell the leafs should trade dump a great offer on their table.
- Fakepartofme

They can get that same offer from somebody else and if it's a tie between the Leafs and another team, they send Karlsson to the other team.

Adding Nylander is a fair offer and yet still less than what Karlsson would be worth if he was on good terms with the Senators.

You gotta pay to get quality. Simple as that.

Have to disagree man. He would just take Komarov's place on the PP and we'd all complain the entire year. Brouwer was always a PP specialist power forward and he lost his PP effectiveness. Now he's just a husk. Hartnell would be interesting at 800k.
- AdamFrench

He had many good years before his Calgary stint to be written off so easily. Calgary's PP was 29th overall and they fired their coach. That's not all on Brouwer. Maybe their system just sucked.

I'd take Hartnell over him too but my basic point was the Leafs need some size and sandpaper in their lineup. Brouwer would be an upgrade over Komarov though given his scoring history and with the likes of Matthews and Tavares, could have a bounce back year. It's a low risk move at 1 year, 800/900K. You send him to the Marlies and you don't lose a thing.

Must be why they signed Tyler Ennis, one of the smallest, pooptiest players in the league.
- Unholy_Goalie

Taking a chance on a player that has potential upside for 650k makes sense.
Signing a player because he is big and sucks doesnt

Taking a chance on a player that has potential upside for 650k makes sense.
Signing a player because he is big and sucks doesnt
- senstroll

Brouwer has more career goals and points than Ennis. But Ennis has upside at 5'0" and Brouwer doesn't. Cool.

They can get that same offer from somebody else and if it's a tie between the Leafs and another team, they send Karlsson to the other team.

Adding Nylander is a fair offer and yet still less than what Karlsson would be worth if he was on good terms with the Senators.

You gotta pay to get quality. Simple as that.
- Unholy_Goalie

No its not a fair offer, he wants out. Its an overpayment.
No sense moving out 111pts for 70pts.
Every in hockey knows karlsson is great offensively but still not that great defensively.
Sens arent trading to the leafs and leafs arent gonna make a stupid trade.
So its moot.

They can get that same offer from somebody else and if it's a tie between the Leafs and another team, they send Karlsson to the other team.

Adding Nylander is a fair offer and yet still less than what Karlsson would be worth if he was on good terms with the Senators.

You gotta pay to get quality. Simple as that.
- Unholy_Goalie

just can't figure out if its a 45 or 78 that got broken here....

the Leafs can't afford to bring on another 10M+ CAP hit player... and they are not going to expend Nylander for an guy that isn't signed past the end of the coming season.

now don't immediately respond.... let that logic sink in.

Yes the Karlsson toy would be a nice toy to have. But the Karlsson toy costs too much to acquire and the Karlsson toy is only yours for the upcoming season.

Taking a chance on a player that has potential upside for 650k makes sense.
Signing a player because he is big and sucks doesnt
- senstroll

Ya...i wouldn't say ennis has potential upside.

Brouwer has more career goals and points than Ennis. But Ennis has upside at 5'0" and Brouwer doesn't. Cool.
- Unholy_Goalie

Brouwer: .44 PPG


Ennis: .52 PPG

No its not a fair offer, he wants out. Its an overpayment.
No sense moving out 111pts for 70pts.
Every in hockey knows karlsson is great offensively but still not that great defensively.
Sens arent trading to the leafs and leafs arent gonna make a stupid trade.
So its moot.
- Fakepartofme

It's a fair offer because if he didn't want out, the price would be even higher. You think Norris winners are cheap?

He's good enough defensively and powerful enough offensively to make a huge impact. He's won playoff series by himself for the Senators.

He's a massive upgrade on the Leafs right side, huge upgrade over Gardiner and the Leafs still having plenty of fire power upfront mitigates losing Nylander.

It's a fair offer because if he didn't want out, the price would be even higher. You think Norris winners are cheap?

He's good enough defensively and powerful enough offensively to make a huge impact. He's won playoff series by himself for the Senators.

He's a massive upgrade on the Leafs right side, huge upgrade over Gardiner and the Leafs still having plenty of fire power upfront mitigates losing Nylander.
- Unholy_Goalie

Pass on Karlsson. End of discussion.

just can't figure out if its a 45 or 78 that got broken here....

the Leafs can't afford to bring on another 10M+ CAP hit player... and they are not going to expend Nylander for an guy that isn't signed past the end of the coming season.

now don't immediately respond.... let that logic sink in.

Yes the Karlsson toy would be a nice toy to have. But the Karlsson toy costs too much to acquire and the Karlsson toy is only yours for the upcoming season.
- BorjeFan4Ever

If Nylander gets 6 AAV (less than what he's worth) and Gardiner gets 6 AAV (also less than what he's worth), it's still more than Karlsson at 11 AAV.

The Leafs can definitely fit Karlsson. He's not a toy, he's a two-time Norris winning D who improves the Leafs.

Let that sink in.

Brouwer: .44 PPG


Ennis: .52 PPG
- Steven_Seagull

Ennis with a grand total of 16 goals in the last 3 seasons combined.

Brouwer: .44 PPG


Ennis: .52 PPG
- Steven_Seagull

Still doesnt support senstroll comment.
0.08ppg is basically no difference.

just can't figure out if its a 45 or 78 that got broken here....

the Leafs can't afford to bring on another 10M+ CAP hit player... and they are not going to expend Nylander for an guy that isn't signed past the end of the coming season.

now don't immediately respond.... let that logic sink in.

Yes the Karlsson toy would be a nice toy to have. But the Karlsson toy costs too much to acquire and the Karlsson toy is only yours for the upcoming season.
- BorjeFan4Ever

Let me just chime in here for Uggie: any deal would be contingent upon Karlsson re-upping.

Still doesnt support senstroll comment.
0.08ppg is basically no difference.
- Fakepartofme

Wasn’t supporting his comment. UG’s comment was misleading.

If Nylander gets 6 AAV (less than what he's worth) and Gardiner gets 6 AAV (also less than what he's worth), it's still more than Karlsson at 11 AAV.

The Leafs can definitely fit Karlsson. He's not a toy, he's a two-time Norris winning D who improves the Leafs.

Let that sink in.
- Unholy_Goalie

Its just not happening.
Gardiner will hopefully be traded for someone who can play defense.

Let me just chime in here for Uggie: any deal would be contingent upon Karlsson re-upping.
- Atomic Wedgie

Correct. Nobody gives up that much for Karlsson without getting an extension in place. Rental Karlsson and extension Karlsson have two very different price tags.

Wasn’t supporting his comment. UG’s comment was misleading.
- Steven_Seagull

No YOU'RE misleading.
Always flying overhead giving me winks then flying away.
Both players suck.

Its just not happening.
Gardiner will hopefully be traded for someone who can play defense.
- Fakepartofme

And what does "play defense" mean to you? A guy who sits in his own zone most of the time, tries to block shots and has no possession or control of the game?

Every second Karlsson spends in the offensive zone, is another second the opposition can't attack you. Karlsson drives the play. He dominates games. He doesn't defend exactly the way the "old school" way wants him to but he still wins more games than he loses.

No YOU'RE misleading.
Always flying overhead giving me winks then flying away.
- Fakepartofme

Sounds pretty “straight” forward.

Let me just chime in here for Uggie: any deal would be contingent upon Karlsson re-upping.
- Atomic Wedgie

Well in that case....
No
Its still not happening.