This is Chia we're talking about, he'll want Gudbranson. He might give Benning the same value the Canucks originally paid
- Nucker101

Stop teasing.

In terms of "size" comparables for Hughes, Klingberg and Werenski are probably not a match

Krug doesn't quite have the speed that Hughes does. Ghostisbehere is a close comparison. Tyson Barrie was left off NHL top 20 defensemen list because his offence is awesome but his defence is still not great.

The same can be said with the so called best defensemen in the world. He was so much better when he played with Methot.

I think Hughes turns into Ryan Ellis but with speed.
- manvanfan

Ghost finished 10th in Norris voting this year

A Chiarelli wet-dream of a blueline would have Russell and Gudbranson on the second pair. Their inability to ever make a pass or clear their zone without using the glass won't matter because of how tough on the boards they are.

Ghost finished 10th in Norris voting this year
- Nucker101

Ghost has a wicked shot, not something Hughes is likely to have.

Ellis with speed isn't a bad descriptor. Basically makes him Roman Josi

This is Chia we're talking about, he'll want Gudbranson. He might give Benning the same value the Canucks originally paid
- Nucker101

It is what it is

Dobson would have been an OJ scenario again. "woohoo, we drafted a #3 defenceman"

Hughes was a swing for the fences. Maybe he's Letang, Dan Boyle or Brian Campbell, maybe he's just Krug (fine offensive player but I don't understand this fascination with him like he's elite) or maybe he's Johhny Oduya. If he maxes out as a second pair guy, that's fine since he could have been more. Dobson likely won't ever be someone who pushes pace, controls play or is any kind of a game breaker.

As for a RH thing, yeah. As long as the plan seems to be EP on one wall and BB on the other, they need a RH shot up top. A lefty is going to be the same issue that Garrison and Edler have been, never a shooting threat from your half wall distributor.
- Lindenis#1

As Pittsburgh has shown capable defending and great goaltending is more then enough if you have dynamic forwards. John Carlson isn't dynamic at all and Washington just won the cup with a bunch of capable defenders.

As Pittsburgh has shown capable defending and great goaltending is more then enough if you have dynamic forwards. John Carlson isn't dynamic at all and Washington just won the cup with a bunch of capable defenders.
- manvanfan

Sure, Pittsburgh only had Sidney (frank)ing Crosby and Evgeni (frank)ing Malkin leading the way offensively. Probably the two best centers in the NHL since 2005. And then they had Kessel, one of the few wingers in the league with a track record of being able to drive his own line, on their third line. Cup 1 had Letang and he was playing at a Norris level that run. Cup 2 was similar to Carolina's win in that now only two teams in salary cap history have won without a Norris Dman.

Washington only ran Kuznetsov-Backstrom-Eller down the middle with Alex (frank)ing Ovechkin on the wing. John Carlson might not be a Norris defenceman but he's nothing to sneeze at. Canucks haven't had a player that good on D since peak Jovanovski or peak Ohlund.

No one here will be around in 154 more years
- VANTEL

I agree, I just don't see it happening until they address their blue line. Like all teams they over value their players and do not want to trade Nylander or Marner unless they get an elite D man in return (not going to happen). It will be interesting to see how they address their blue line without moving a key player.

Chaka Khan.

Love her at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n5ES_YI-4M

(srry I was out all morning)

Edit: 420 came early today

I agree, I just don't see it happening until they address their blue line. Like all teams they over value their players and do not want to trade Nylander or Marner unless they get an elite D man in return (not going to happen). It will be interesting to see how they address their blue line without moving a key player.
- Bakwas

Goaltending. It’s all about goaltending. A hot tender makes up for a mediocre defence.

Sure, Pittsburgh only had Sidney (frank)ing Crosby and Evgeni (frank)ing Malkin leading the way offensively. Probably the two best centers in the NHL since 2005. And then they had Kessel, one of the few wingers in the league with a track record of being able to drive his own line, on their third line. Cup 1 had Letang and he was playing at a Norris level that run. Cup 2 was similar to Carolina's win in that now only two teams in salary cap history have won without a Norris Dman.

Washington only ran Kuznetsov-Backstrom-Eller down the middle with Alex (frank)ing Ovechkin on the wing. John Carlson might not be a Norris defenceman but he's nothing to sneeze at. Canucks haven't had a player that good on D since peak Jovanovski or peak Ohlund.
- Lindenis#1

So what you are saying is that you don't need a super dynamic offensive defensemen to win a SC?

Edit: 420 came early today
- A_SteamingLombardi

love it.

how about, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1MQ95FhgUE

maybe I should have looked for the censored version. middle aged white guy, like me, has a hard time singing along, can't drop the n-word. fun beat tho, snoop is so smooth and with Pharrell.

So what you are saying is that you don't need a super dynamic offensive defensemen to win a SC?
- manvanfan

If you have an elite top 6 + stud goalie then yes you don’t need one

So what you are saying is that you don't need a super dynamic offensive defensemen to win a SC?
- manvanfan

If you also happen to have a couple generational talents leading your forwards with some guys with HOF cases as their supporting cast, you can get by.

Thanks Carol

If you have an elite top 6 + stud goalie then yes you don’t need one
- Nucker101

Not just an elite top 6, you need an absolutely dynamic top9.

I am not sold on Hughes as a potential #1, maybe a 4/5 guy, Dobson I see as a future #1, at worst a #2.
Just my opinion though.
- Reubenkincade

A floor of a top pair defensemen?
:ahh:
He should have gone 1ov then.

You're crazy. But that's just my opinion though.

A floor of a top pair defensemen?
:ahh:
He should have gone 1ov then.

You're crazy. But that's just my opinion though.
- Pres.cup

Is the Memorial Cup recency bias bigger than World Junior Championship recency bias when it comes to unlimited potential players?

Not surprised Canucks left off list. Bad hockey does not sell.
- bloatedmosquito

Bad hockey? More like not sexy going by the standings & late start home games for East coasters having bedtime curfews 😂

Actually, I think it's the Oilers who will regret not drafting Dobson. Quinn's fine. My early take on Evan Bouchard is a lot more moderate.
- Carol Schram

Said the same & agree whole heartedly

Here is the x rated edition of blurred lines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwT6DZCQi9k

I am not sold on Hughes as a potential #1, maybe a 4/5 guy, Dobson I see as a future #1, at worst a #2.
Just my opinion though.
- Reubenkincade

Wow just simply wow 😂😂
A 4th D is usually the complimentary partner & the 5th to help log TOI to help out on the load for for the top 2 pairings.
What reasons do you have for those low & high inverse projections?

Thx

A floor of a top pair defensemen?
:ahh:
He should have gone 1ov then.

You're crazy. But that's just my opinion though.
- Pres.cup

a lot of boards, including the Canucks, had him at 3. His skill/skating package is as good as it gets. The only thing missing is the size and shot but I see a top pairing guy for sure. I agree his floor is lower, but 1D's rarely go 1st overall. Last one since Dahlin was ekblad and before that was much further back. Centers just get valued higher, I think it's just easier to scout/predict what will translate.

I wondèred how long it would take before some _____, made that claim. Just because someone questions the playing style of a player, they are Don Cherry, what a ridiculous thing to say.
Btw, I can't stand Don Cherry.
Edit; because I am not a sheep and don't follow the shepherd, therefore I am Don Cherry...(frank) me.
- Reubenkincade

You’re correct we don’t need scoring from D. Bring on Gunnarson & its the cup baby.