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Thought: With Montreal in a rebuild/not rebuild no man's land, do you think Shea Weber could be offered up in the Seattle expansion draft?
- jmatchett383

I suppose he could be. Montreal is just in a weird situation. They should be in rebuild mode, but they have Price locked up on a big money deal pretty much forever and the same with Weber. If I were running that franchise, I'd be shopping both players this season and going all out on acquiring picks and rebuilding but I expect that the Habs will end up doing what Vancouver did the last few years which is to try and compete while still rebuilding and I don't think it's going to go well for them.

[quote=wcorvette]

Yeah, it was between Ghost and Dahlin for that last spot, but Dahlin's being 6+ years younger won him the spot.

I suppose he could be. Montreal is just in a weird situation. They should be in rebuild mode, but they have Price locked up on a big money deal pretty much forever and the same with Weber. If I were running that franchise, I'd be shopping both players this season and going all out on acquiring picks and rebuilding but I expect that the Habs will end up doing what Vancouver did the last few years which is to try and compete while still rebuilding and I don't think it's going to go well for them.
- BiggE

if Weber is out long term and has to retire, Preds are on the hook?

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yeah hard call with all those choices. Size does matter, I want to see more of Zerenski to compare to ghost.

I suppose he could be. Montreal is just in a weird situation. They should be in rebuild mode, but they have Price locked up on a big money deal pretty much forever and the same with Weber. If I were running that franchise, I'd be shopping both players this season and going all out on acquiring picks and rebuilding but I expect that the Habs will end up doing what Vancouver did the last few years which is to try and compete while still rebuilding and I don't think it's going to go well for them.
- BiggE

The Price contract is a lesson in the value of goaltenders wrt to the salary cap. Dude's the best goalie in the world (when healthy) but there's no way he should be getting that much.

No matter what Montreal does, the Subban trade will keep getting worse and worse.

if Weber is out long term and has to retire, Preds are on the hook?
- wcorvette

Yup, I believe so.

if Weber is out long term and has to retire, Preds are on the hook?
- wcorvette

Yes. And the recapture penalty is horrendous. Although, if he's in LTIR, he's still getting a paycheck, so I don't see him retiring early.

The Price contract is a lesson in the value of goaltenders wrt to the salary cap. Dude's the best goalie in the world (when healthy) but there's no way he should be getting that much.

No matter what Montreal does, the Subban trade will keep getting worse and worse.
- jmatchett383

Yup, I don't think Bergevin is going to have that job for too much longer.

Yes. And the recapture penalty is horrendous. Although, if he's in LTIR, he's still getting a paycheck, so I don't see him retiring early.
- jmatchett383

That is likely how it'll end up. Why retire, when you can get paid right through the end of the contract by just being on LTIR?

Jones is only 23, he's the one I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger on.
- BiggE

He's a stud for sure but it's a bird-in-the-hand thing for me. Imho can't go wrong with Provorov.

Yup, I don't think Bergevin is going to have that job for too much longer.
- BiggE

what was worse

JVR for Schenn
or
Weber for PK

what was worse

JVR for Schenn
or
Weber for PK
- wcorvette

JVR for Schenn

Schenn was a 3rd pair Dman and we gave up a top 6 LW for him. At least in the Weber deal, Montreal got a legit top pair guy back who will at least, if he can stay healthy, be a top 4 guy and legit pp weapon for them for many more years. Plus, Nashville is still on the hook for the recapture penalties if he retires early.

I'd rank Provorov higher than Ghost
- Scoob

I would also. In terms of talk about Provorov being a future Norris trophy winner, it shows you what gets the attention of the national pundits. Points and offensive flair does

if Weber is out long term and has to retire, Preds are on the hook?
- wcorvette

LTIR

Yup, Hedman's age was the only reason I didn't name him, but I'd have to think on that one a bit. He brings a size and reach element to the game that Provorov will never have and all in all, he's still pretty young. Hedman probably has at least 5 or 6 peak years left and perhaps even a few more. I think he'd be the one other guy that I'd consider trading Provorov straight up for.

Jones, IMO, is a no brainer. He's only 23, is a rh shot, is 6'4, and is dynamic in all zones. As much as I love Provorov, I'd take Jones over him without question.
- BiggE

I love Provorov but no question on Jones.

think, the Preds had so many blue chip D they traded Jones...

question-

who should have they have traded or should they have traded Jones?

I love Provorov but no question on Jones.
- MJL

That draft I thought for sure Tampa was taking Jones. Him and Hedman would have been to building blocks on the back end at great ages.

FWIW, my personal top 20 Dman list:

1. Erik Karlsson
2. Victor Hedman
3. Drew Doughty
4. Roman Josi
5. Seth Jones
6. P.K. Subban
7. Alex Pietrangelo
8. Brett Burns
9. John Klingberg
10. Oliver Ekman-Larsson
11. Kris Letang
12. Ryan Suter
13. Zach Werenski
14. Ivan Provorov
15. Dustin Byfuglien
16. Shayne Gostisbehere
17. John Carlson
18. Torey Krug
19. Ryan Ellis
20. M.E. Vlassic

edit: of course, on Tanner's list the top 5 are all OEL.
- BiggE

Apparently Ghost is the most over rated player on the Flyers. Al bet someone will have something to say about this list.

Apparently Ghost is the most over rated player on the Flyers. Al bet someone will have something to say about this list.
- MBFlyerfan

😂😂

Apparently Ghost is the most over rated player on the Flyers. Al bet someone will have something to say about this list.
- MBFlyerfan

This will all be moot when we move Ghost to his natural position, 3rd line left wing.

Ryan Ellis gets an 8x6.25 extension from the Predators.

Kind of throws a wrench into Provorov's plan, wouldn't it?

Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits and Musings: Frost, Flyers Training Center, Clarke Turns 69
- bmeltzer

noice

Ryan Ellis gets an 8x6.25 extension from the Predators.

Kind of throws a wrench into Provorov's plan, wouldn't it?
- Giroux_Is_God

Not really. Provorov is a franchise building defender. He will get paid. I feel like Ellis is more a complimentary type defender like Gostisbehere. Great to have but not someone you would technically build around.

This will all be moot when we move Ghost to his natural position, 3rd line left wing.
- jmatchett383

As soon as they get good management and coaching it will happen

I don't think Jones is that much better than Provorov. Not at their respective ages at least. I think Jones is slightly better at working into the offense and slightly better at defense in small, tight spaces. Obviously he has a size advantage too and is RH.

Not sure it is worth the cost. I think he is ranked higher for a lot of people just on name value.