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Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Aug 13 @ 9:46 AM ET
ttt
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Aug 13 @ 9:46 AM ET
I think what some are concerned about, well at least me, lol, is that if your 3rd line wingers end up being Lindblom and Simmonds, a creative playmaker would be the kind of center you’d want between them. I’m not sure that Laughton is that guy.
- BiggE



This is my feeling. Kind of why I wouldn't mind reaching out to a winger like Rick Nash if he still wants to play. He would help that line then with carrying the puck more.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Aug 13 @ 9:46 AM ET
Surprising sbisa is still on the market. Seemed like a perfectly capable top 6 dman in the playoffs to me. RH stick
- Just5


Soon as a team needs a winger he'll be scooped up.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Aug 13 @ 9:49 AM ET
Could also be a way of saying he is still part of the plans in case maybe another team has interest for a trade so not to say he will be given away fro free?

I think more so though it is trying to through some good vibes out for a players confidence.

- J35Bacher


He's definitely trying to pump Weal's tires.

And I'd venture a guess and say that, after last season, there is little or no trade market for Jordan Weal.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Aug 13 @ 9:52 AM ET
He's definitely trying to pump Weal's tires.

And I'd venture a guess and say that, after last season, there is little or no trade market for Jordan Weal.

- johndewar


J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Aug 13 @ 9:53 AM ET
He's definitely trying to pump Weal's tires.

And I'd venture a guess and say that, after last season, there is little or no trade market for Jordan Weal.

- johndewar



Matt Martin got traded. There's a market for everyone. Just might not be a good market.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 13 @ 9:53 AM ET
This is my feeling. Kind of why I wouldn't mind reaching out to a winger like Rick Nash if he still wants to play. He would help that line then with carrying the puck more.
- J35Bacher



http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...h-unsure-play-next-season


Its an interesting case. I wouldn't be averse to bringing him in for a look. But if he wants some crazy cap number or years I would wish him well and keep looking within.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Aug 13 @ 9:54 AM ET
He did but he didn't. Hakstol showed when a player is ready for more he would make the change. Konecny. Patrick. When those guys showed they were ready to be counted on for more Hakstol gave them more.

While Laughton has had spurts, he just hasn't shown enough continually in my opinion. If he had I think they would ave had no problem moving Filppula down the lineup.

I think they moved him to wing in hopes to unlock more. My worry is does Laughton provide enough play making as a center. Even in the 3rd line role. Right now the 3rd line would look something like Raffl/Lindblom - Laughton - Simmonds. To me that seems like a dump and chase line. Not a line that will have a lot of creativity.

- J35Bacher



tough because the Flyers were a top heavy team. I think one of Hak's flaws is his fast hook with younger guys. Thinking about the whole season I wouldnt say Hak gave Laughton a solid chance at 3C, not much at all actually. I wouldn't mind him on the wing, I like his skating, shot and size.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 13 @ 9:54 AM ET
This is my feeling. Kind of why I wouldn't mind reaching out to a winger like Rick Nash if he still wants to play. He would help that line then with carrying the puck more.
- J35Bacher


You mean a Forsberg lite type of guy?
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Aug 13 @ 9:55 AM ET
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...h-unsure-play-next-season


Its an interesting case. I wouldn't be averse to bringing him in for a look. But if he wants some crazy cap number or years I would wish him well and keep looking within.

- MBFlyerfan



Any free agent left on the market would depend on term and cap.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 13 @ 9:56 AM ET
This is my feeling. Kind of why I wouldn't mind reaching out to a winger like Rick Nash if he still wants to play. He would help that line then with carrying the puck more.
- J35Bacher


I never was a big fan on Nash. I don't think he's bad, but I think he gets by on his big Columbus days more than anything he's done recently. Again, he's still good, just not as good as his name makes him seem.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Aug 13 @ 9:58 AM ET
I never was a big fan on Nash. I don't think he's bad, but I think he gets by on his big Columbus days more than anything he's done recently. Again, he's still good, just not as good as his name makes him seem.
- jmatchett383



But as a 3rd line winger i think it works. If I needed to fill a top 6 role I probably wouldn't bother.

If you want Laughton as your 3rd line center i think he works more.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Aug 13 @ 10:23 AM ET
Anyone get the new madden?

I really wish NCAA came back. Was one of my most favorite games to play.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Aug 13 @ 10:31 AM ET
I know a lot of people here aren't fans of fancy stats, but laughton had awesome underlying numbers last year. He was just a bit unlucky (his PDO was by far the lowest on the flyers) and he never really got skilled wingers and even with raffl and leier and whoever else his underlying numbers were good. Also when he was the 3c for a stretch iftgames the flyers went 10-1-1 which I know is a small sample size but I truly think he can handle it. I see no reason that he can't pot 15 goals and get 20 or so assists playing with Lindblom and Simmer
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 13 @ 10:40 AM ET
Frost is going to be a good one, but I am glad to see that maybe we can start to tamp down on the expectations for the upcoming season in terms of him playing 3C.

I firmly believe Scott Laughton is ready to challenge for the job.

- MBFlyerfan

I think the need for another center is a little over blown. You all know my feelings on Giroux if we can’t find a suitable center to fill the void in the bottom nine but I’m fine with Giroux staying at wing.

I’ve felt like we needed a scoring winger on the left side all last season. We filled that hole. This coming season should be a good season.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 13 @ 10:47 AM ET
Do you just gloss over the line i said it is most likely a long shot?


- J35Bacher


Nope, focused on the meat of the discussion.



I understand he needs to do more then produce. He would need to almost have dominate performances and that might not be enough.

The main point is people are bullish on him and Vorobyev because Laughton hasn't done enough. If Laughton had shown that he is ready for that 3rd line center role I think people would be more patient on development for a guy like Frost.

But you also have to look around the league. Fair or not teams are bringing up guys sooner and sooner. And while you can't worry about what other teams do..fans are allowed to look and say why can't my team...especially when the player fits a clear needed.

- J35Bacher


I think one shouldn't have anything to do with another. If Frost plays well in the pre season, he is also going to have to convince Hextall that he hold up in the grind of an 82 game NHL season and not hit a wall. Frost and Vorobyev haven't done anything so Laughton has the head start.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 13 @ 10:49 AM ET
yeah always a long shot...

Laughton, I think finally in the last 2 years the Flyers got it right with his development. I think he deserved a bigger shot last season, FLIP blocked him and that was a mistake by HAK. For a while Laughton was the only bottom 9 forward in the prospect ranks, I think that put too much focus on him. Laughton was one of the few to have a good playoff, give him a shot unless someone blows the doors off in camp.

- wcorvette


Fillpula was the better player for the role the majority of the season.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 13 @ 10:53 AM ET
But as a 3rd line winger i think it works. If I needed to fill a top 6 role I probably wouldn't bother.

If you want Laughton as your 3rd line center i think he works more.

- J35Bacher


I think he's cool with walking away unless someone really makes it worth it.

Pure speculation.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Aug 13 @ 10:53 AM ET
Stop the presses!!!!

The Wednesday Night Rivalry format will be replaced by Wednesday Night Hockey

woop!!!!!

https://nhl.nbcsports.com...9-nhl-on-nbc-tv-schedule/

hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Aug 13 @ 10:54 AM ET
mund> siiiixtyyy-niiiiiiiiiiiiiine
cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Aug 13 @ 10:55 AM ET
I initially dismissed the "Weal as 3C" talk as well, then I did some reading. Hexy was part of the staff that drafted Weal. He had played mostly center up to that point. Also played center in AHL where he had some nice years. He has good speed, can create, and also can bury his chances. If he proves he is up to it and earns the spot in camp, I would be okay with Lindblom, Weal, Simmer as the 3rd line. Raffl, Laughton, Lehtera/NAK as the 4th line.

OTOH, Hexy also needs to talk Weal up as part of the plan in case he needs to shop him. Also helps his confidence. I can't wait for camp to start.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 13 @ 10:58 AM ET
Stop the presses!!!!

The Wednesday Night Rivalry format will be replaced by Wednesday Night Hockey

woop!!!!!

https://nhl.nbcsports.com...9-nhl-on-nbc-tv-schedule/

- Scoob


But what about those long-standing rivalries, like Pittsburgh vs. Edmonton and Vegas vs. Colorado? Are we simply going to dismiss the rivalry aspect of them?
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Aug 13 @ 10:59 AM ET
But what about those long-standing rivalries, like Pittsburgh vs. Edmonton and Vegas vs. Colorado? Are we simply going to dismiss the rivalry aspect of them?
- jmatchett383


by my count the flyers are on twice, and not until january for the first one. maybe they don't have many wednesday games...i haven't checked. i did see the penguins are on 7 times. can't wait for that!
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Aug 13 @ 10:59 AM ET
Stop the presses!!!!

The Wednesday Night Rivalry format will be replaced by Wednesday Night Hockey

woop!!!!!

https://nhl.nbcsports.com...9-nhl-on-nbc-tv-schedule/

- Scoob



Finally, a night of the week I no longer have to love to hate.
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Aug 13 @ 11:01 AM ET
Morgan Frost will make the team. He will score 50 goals in his first 38 games, thus breaking a record no one thought could be broken. ...........





and what is the deal with the words getting cut off and starting on the next line?
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