He might be. But a year ago today the ‘experts’ were predicting the Oilers to be a strong favourite to win the west. Clearly they were wrong, but is it out of the realm of possibility that they return to that kind of success this season? I mean, the team hardly changed since then and were all aware of the 2 areas of their game that need to get back on track, and neither should be that hard.
- HonkyTonkMan

I am a huge McDavid fan. I pull for the Oilers. I think a Mcdavid/Karlsson duo on the ice for 25 minutes a game would be a puck possession monster and would meet with great fan appeal and on ice success.

I have always thought that Edmonton could be involved a Karlsson deal. But I saw them as the third team in with either Tampa or Nashville to make it happen. My dark horse proposal is Subban to Edmonton, Karlsson to Nashville and prospects and picks coming back to Ottawa.

Oh Jesus. I’m not arguing anything , quit being a combative buffoon .All I’m trying to do is figure out what Karrlsons value is as he he inches closer and closer to free agency.
I use Edmonton as an example because I know those players best and what their value to the Oilers are.
I do know this, EK can help the Oilers win a championship ( as well as every other team in the league)...but then so can Draisaitl. The salaries are never gonna fit together on a team with McDavid so there is next to no chance of offering up a different package. So if the deal landed on the GM’s table, Erik Karlsson for Leon Draisaitl , I don’t think it’s an easy decision to make.
- HonkyTonkMan

Don't forget we're talking about Chiarelli here, normally your point above would be valid, but I would be more inclined to try and get Draisatl for Ceci rather than Karlsson because with PC, anything is possible

If Edmonton makes a pitch for Karlsson, you know Calgary will be snooping around in the background.
- spatso

What's not to love? The taxes? The rink in the middle of nowhere? The Phoenix pay system and every other excuse people come up with not to buy tickets? The buffoon masquerading as a GM? The moronic coach? The creepy former Asst. GM? The bi-polar fanbase? Oh right, the owner... he's the only problem here... model franchise w/o that guy...
- grim

What's not to love? How about some demonstrated playoff success?

Number of conference and Stanley Cup Final appearances in Ottawa since 2000: 4

Number in Toronto over the same time period: 1

The taxes are the same as your team, the rink location is irrelevant given most players buy property near the arena for cheap (especially compared to costs of living near the ACC), the Phoenix system is a government payroll issue that affects the fans, not players, and yeah when you're using your savings for months to pay your (frank)ing mortgage cause the largest employer in the country can't figure out how to follow its own laws or use a system it paid hundreds of millions of dollars to implement to pay you on time and correctly, yeah that would impact fan willingness to use their non-existent disposable income to finance the profits of a dippoop multi-millionaire selling us a half baked product with no clear direction.

And if you want to come back on that again, you're nothing but a scumbag for claiming it's a made up issue. I've had two friends in bankruptcy proceedings, another three who lost their houses and two more who just quit the government out of frustration with this Phoenix system. It's not funny and makes you look like a total poopbag to be using the serious financial stresses of a large number (200,000+) of residents of Ottawa as an opportunity to take pot shots at fans on a hockey forum.

Grow up and move outta mommy's basement and see how hard the real world is when you're not able to rely on the income you worked to receive actually being available to you when you expect it and see how much attending an entertainment event of no real significance is to you when you're making choices between whether to put food, pharmaceutical or school supplies as your top priority, cause you can afford only half of one.

bumhole.

Hypothetical:

Play with everyone as hard as you can until Jan.

To Col: 2020 1st (OTT) Duchene, Ryan (5m)
To Ott: 2019 1st (OTT) Soderberg

Finish last, resign Stone & Karlsson 8 year deals

2019 - 2020 Season

Dzingel - Hughes - Stone
Tkachuk - Brown - White
Formenton - Pageau - Batherson
Chlapik - Smith - Pyatt

Chabot - Karlsson
Wolanin - Ceci
Borowiecki - Jaros

Hypothetical:

Play with everyone as hard as you can until Jan.

To Col: 2020 1st (OTT) Duchene, Ryan (5m)
To Ott: 2019 1st (OTT) Soderberg

Finish last, resign Stone & Karlsson 8 year deals

2019 - 2020 Season

Dzingel - Hughes - Stone
Tkachuk - Brown - White
Formenton - Pageau - Batherson
Chlapik - Smith - Pyatt

Chabot - Karlsson
Wolanin - Ceci
Borowiecki - Jaros
- AlfieisKing

dude this might be your worst one yet, you realize that Duchene burned a lot of bridges in Colorado and they wont be trading back for him.

The way he handled himself from the trade request on, the rift he created int he locker room with MacKinnon. That trade just lacks logic based on why he was moved in the first place

Ottawa will want to be in full control of Tkachuk. And get him up to speed playing with men.....BSens. Plus they will want him to goto world juniors. ,,,,join Sens full time in Jan.
I think the odds of 65 signing here have moved up to 50/50.
If not someone mentioned Nshville. That is possible. The Central is the best most competitive division in the nhl.....so maybe out of the blue Minny gets involved

What's not to love? The taxes? The rink in the middle of nowhere? The Phoenix pay system and every other excuse people come up with not to buy tickets? The buffoon masquerading as a GM? The moronic coach? The creepy former Asst. GM? The bi-polar fanbase? Oh right, the owner... he's the only problem here... model franchise w/o that guy...
- grim

I want to say awful things abnout you being a Leafs troll..... but this was pretty funny

He might be. But a year ago today the ‘experts’ were predicting the Oilers to be a strong favourite to win the west. Clearly they were wrong, but is it out of the realm of possibility that they return to that kind of success this season? I mean, the team hardly changed since then and were all aware of the 2 areas of their game that need to get back on track, and neither should be that hard.
- HonkyTonkMan[/quote


Hmmmm....sounds a bit like the “we were one goal away from the SCFinal” refrain that we have mercifully stopped saying in ottawa. It pains me to say that we have two of the three worst GMs in the league. Here is a question for ottawa and edmonton fan bases: what would Montreal have to throw in to get you to take Bergevin as your GM in a trade?

dude this might be your worst one yet, you realize that Duchene burned a lot of bridges in Colorado and they wont be trading back for him.

The way he handled himself from the trade request on, the rift he created int he locker room with MacKinnon. That trade just lacks logic based on why he was moved in the first place
- DDM-Coga

That's why I prefaced with 'hypothetical'

What I'm trying to show is how the team SHOULD be thinking regarding how they rebuild. Sens fan would accept a proper rebuild (what Toronto and Buffalo went through) rather than contending for a playoff spot every other year

That's why I prefaced with 'hypothetical'

What I'm trying to show is how the team SHOULD be thinking regarding how they rebuild. Sens fan would accept a proper rebuild (what Toronto and Buffalo went through) rather than contending for a playoff spot every other year
- AlfieisKing

Its a gamble for the Sens to trade for that pick right now bc you would be buying it back at its perceived highest value. Which would be a massive over payment from your teams perspective

The best way to soften the blow is play your way out of it being a bottom 5 pick. Avs are already very happy with their duchene return, 1st overall...10th overall it doesnt matter to them as they already see it as a. massive home run.

Stone Karlsson Tkachuk or Chabot are realistically the only guys that move the needle to get them to talk about trading it back. Any that would be a bad move for the Sens

Its a gamble for the Sens to trade for that pick right now bc you would be buying it back at its perceived highest value. Which would be a massive over payment from your teams perspective

The best way to soften the blow is play your way out of it being a bottom 5 pick. Avs are already very happy with their duchene return, 1st overall...10th overall it doesnt matter to them as they already see it as a. massive home run.

Stone Karlsson Tkachuk or Chabot are realistically the only guys that move the needle to get them to talk about trading it back. Any that would be a bad move for the Sens
- DDM-Coga

This is a perfectly correct interpretation of the situation. Even if the Sens finish last they still only have a 40% chance of winning lottery. And, with so many top players starting this year in the last year of their contract don't be so sure that they are locks for a bottom finish.

Ottawa will do some trades for picks and prospects. They will likely end up adding multiple picks in next year's draft. Be patient.

What's not to love? How about some demonstrated playoff success?

Number of conference and Stanley Cup Final appearances in Ottawa since 2000: 4

Number in Toronto over the same time period: 1

The taxes are the same as your team, the rink location is irrelevant given most players buy property near the arena for cheap (especially compared to costs of living near the ACC), the Phoenix system is a government payroll issue that affects the fans, not players, and yeah when you're using your savings for months to pay your (frank)ing mortgage cause the largest employer in the country can't figure out how to follow its own laws or use a system it paid hundreds of millions of dollars to implement to pay you on time and correctly, yeah that would impact fan willingness to use their non-existent disposable income to finance the profits of a dippoop multi-millionaire selling us a half baked product with no clear direction.

And if you want to come back on that again, you're nothing but a scumbag for claiming it's a made up issue. I've had two friends in bankruptcy proceedings, another three who lost their houses and two more who just quit the government out of frustration with this Phoenix system. It's not funny and makes you look like a total poopbag to be using the serious financial stresses of a large number (200,000+) of residents of Ottawa as an opportunity to take pot shots at fans on a hockey forum.

Grow up and move outta mommy's basement and see how hard the real world is when you're not able to rely on the income you worked to receive actually being available to you when you expect it and see how much attending an entertainment event of no real significance is to you when you're making choices between whether to put food, pharmaceutical or school supplies as your top priority, cause you can afford only half of one.

bumhole.
- ahjnkn

I want to say awful things abnout you being a Leafs troll..... but this was pretty funny
- Helm

Yeah it happens to us also, trolls show up and occasionally, you can't actually deny that it was pretty funny.

This is a perfectly correct interpretation of the situation. Even if the Sens finish last they still only have a 40% chance of winning lottery. And, with so many top players starting this year in the last year of their contract don't be so sure that they are locks for a bottom finish.

Ottawa will do some trades for picks and prospects. They will likely end up adding multiple picks in next year's draft. Be patient.
- spatso

^^ Pretty sure it is more like 18.5% chance of winning the lottery even if they finish dead last (which is far from certain). Given this team's recent run of luck/incompetence/chaos/karma or however you want to say it, I feel like they still wouldn't be winning any lotteries even if they had a 95% chance of winning.

^^ Pretty sure it is more like 18.5% chance of winning the lottery even if they finish dead last (which is far from certain). Given this team's recent run of luck/incompetence/chaos/karma or however you want to say it, I feel like they still wouldn't be winning any lotteries even if they had a 95% chance of winning.
- wilkobecks

yes, your are right.

- Aetherial

Yeah, it's hilarious when people around you are in massive amounts of financial stress and facing decisions like that. Soooo funny!

Yeah, it's hilarious when people around you are in massive amounts of financial stress and facing decisions like that. Soooo funny!
- ahjnkn

I am surprised that more people didn't just quit the government, file a big lawsuit to at least get whatever their pension would be worth, (since I assume that is the reason why 98% of govt employees stay there for their entire lives), then they get the benefit of being a public servant, without actually having to do it. You've got to assume that the feds would have no issues paying out settlements, since they can't even manage to fire people who do little to no work over the course of a year

I am surprised that more people didn't just quit the government, file a big lawsuit to at least get whatever their pension would be worth, (since I assume that is the reason why 98% of govt employees stay there for their entire lives), then they get the benefit of being a public servant, without actually having to do it. You've got to assume that the feds would have no issues paying out settlements, since they can't even manage to fire people who do little to no work over the course of a year
- wilkobecks

Im surprised tax payers dont demand this to be fixed or scrapped Phoenix. This is going to cost everyone. From IT costs. To back pay with interest. I know one IT contractor trying to fix it. That person makes a 1200 a day. Their pay is never missed either. Good job and none of whats going on is their fault but cmon.

Im surprised tax payers dont demand this to be fixed or scrapped Phoenix. This is going to cost everyone. From IT costs. To back pay with interest. I know one IT contractor trying to fix it. That person makes a 1200 a day. Their pay is never missed either. Good job and none of whats going on is their fault but cmon.
- spazzbot

the absolute best part about the whole Phoenix debacle is that it was actually trialed with some people in DND/CAF (like 1000 people or something like that).....and it was known then that there were huge issues, and the military strongly recommended not implementing the program...............and they did anyways.

that program was implemented knowing full well that there were issues. I don't think the knew the scale, but they knew there were going to be problems.