Good luck with that
- sensarmy_11

We don’t have the cap space anyway, but really, what’s stopping Ek from testing the market at this point? Why not make a pitch that doesn’t cost you Draisaitl for a mere single season on the cheap?

There’s been what? 3 or 4 serious sign and trade suitors? How many teams will be calling July 1,2019 if he is unsigned?

Sorry. 29 once his new deal kicks in.
It makes plenty sense. It will make even more sense when your sitting here a year from now wondering why Dorian didn’t get anything for Duchene, Karlsson or Stone...but yeah, having Draisaitl on that roster would make no sense, especially considering his age and talent level.
- HonkyTonkMan

I never said it doesn't make sense to have him in the Sens lineup. You just said Edmonton would be nuts to trade Draisaiti straight up. If he isn't in the talks, then it makes less sense negotiating at the present point in time. As time goes on, the price for Karlsson will go down purely due to the fact Dorion will be desperate to get something for him instead of seeing him walk.

Nice Article, but you said" that many nay sayers thought he would finish college and re enter the draft..... so he can be drafted by different team. "

Why would he not just finish college and become a free agent and choose what team he wants to play for.

Has there ever been a player that finnished college and re enter the draft? ...... Edit is your friend

I never said it doesn't make sense to have him in the Sens lineup. You just said Edmonton would be nuts to trade Draisaiti straight up. If he isn't in the talks, then it makes less sense negotiating at the present point in time. As time goes on, the price for Karlsson will go down purely due to the fact Dorion will be desperate to get something for him instead of seeing him walk.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

this guy is all over the map.....I genuinely don't think he even knows what he's arguing about.

We don’t have the cap space anyway, but really, what’s stopping Ek from testing the market at this point? Why not make a pitch that doesn’t cost you Draisaitl for a mere single season on the cheap?

There’s been what? 3 or 4 serious sign and trade suitors? How many teams will be calling July 1,2019 if he is unsigned?
- HonkyTonkMan

Edmonton has ZERO, maybe less than zero percent chance of landing EK as a free agent.

what pitch could they possibly make to lure him there over teams like tampa, vegas, dallas, etc

Edmonton has a chance at getting karlsson for a year via trade, they have no chance at getting karlsson via free agency. I expect if his agent sees chiarelli calling he doesn't even pick up the phone.

Edmonton has ZERO, maybe less than zero percent chance of landing EK as a free agent.

what pitch could they possibly make to lure him there over teams like tampa, vegas, dallas, etc

Edmonton has a chance at getting karlsson for a year via trade, they have no chance at getting karlsson via free agency. I expect if his agent sees chiarelli calling he doesn't even pick up the phone.
- sensarmy_11

I wouldn't discount the McDavid factor, but I tend to agree. If Karlsson has the chance from going from a highly taxed and Canadian spotlight to a lower taxed American spotlight, I assume he'd fly south.

I genuinely think he wants to stay in Ottawa, but the lack of accountability amongst management (waiting months to move Hoffman due to wife drama when it should have been done right away) and ownership (just a cluster(frank)) would make me want to get out too.

Edmonton has ZERO, maybe less than zero percent chance of landing EK as a free agent.

what pitch could they possibly make to lure him there over teams like tampa, vegas, dallas, etc

Edmonton has a chance at getting karlsson for a year via trade, they have no chance at getting karlsson via free agency. I expect if his agent sees chiarelli calling he doesn't even pick up the phone.
- sensarmy_11

I agree with your post. Truth is, not many Canadian teams are a likely landing spot for EK (imo). I also don't see a rental situation at all here. For the assets required, not many teams would be willing to offer a boatload without a long-term deal in place. LV has assets and cap space - would make sense. Sens should be looking for picks and futures. Sen fans should also put as much pressure on Melnyk to sell the team to a real owner.

I don't understand why a player would leave college to play in London in the OHL

The competition is arguably the same or slightly worse, and it's gotta be less fun than college

I guess money is the answer?

I agree with your post. Truth is, not many Canadian teams are a likely landing spot for EK (imo). I also don't see a rental situation at all here. For the assets required, not many teams would be willing to offer a boatload without a long-term deal in place. LV has assets and cap space - would make sense. Sens should be looking for picks and futures. Sen fans should also put as much pressure on Melnyk to sell the team to a real owner.
- winsix

I honestly think the only Canadian team he'd play for would probably be Ottawa, and that's probably only because of his comfort and familiarity with the team/city.

I'd honestly rather they re-sign him if possible. he's worth so much more to this team than any return he would ever get them.

as for pressuring Melnyk, I'm pretty sure he's well aware of how he's thought of in that city.....not sure what else the fans can do.

I don't understand why a player would leave college to play in London in the OHL

The competition is arguably the same or slightly worse, and it's gotta be less fun than college

I guess money is the answer?
- jcragcrumple

I think there is almost zero chance he plays in London. If he plays in the OHL he doesn't get paid, it makes no sense to leave college to go junior.

i'll eat crow if I'm wrong, but I'd say he's for sure in the NHL or AHL

I think there is almost zero chance he plays in London. If he plays in the OHL he doesn't get paid, it makes no sense to leave college to go junior.

i'll eat crow if I'm wrong, but I'd say he's for sure in the NHL or AHL
- sensarmy_11

There is a way. He could go over the 10 game limit and still be sent down to London at a later point in the season. The financial benefit is that he get paid his NHL contract during the period he is with the team and burns a year off of his ELC.

However, like you, I don't think he goes to London. I see him going to Belleville and if he performs well he will get called up after Christmas.

We don’t have the cap space anyway, but really, what’s stopping Ek from testing the market at this point? Why not make a pitch that doesn’t cost you Draisaitl for a mere single season on the cheap?

There’s been what? 3 or 4 serious sign and trade suitors? How many teams will be calling July 1,2019 if he is unsigned?
- HonkyTonkMan

Karlsson loves it in Ottawa; owner's the problem, everyone knows that now

Karlsson loves it in Ottawa; owner's the problem, everyone knows that now
- AlfieisKing

Yes, I have been told that by people close to the team. They are not insiders by any means but close enough to get the impression that this is about Melnyk and Karlsson being conflicted...starting with money.

Karlsson loves it in Ottawa; owner's the problem, everyone knows that now
- AlfieisKing

What's not to love? The taxes? The rink in the middle of nowhere? The Phoenix pay system and every other excuse people come up with not to buy tickets? The buffoon masquerading as a GM? The moronic coach? The creepy former Asst. GM? The bi-polar fanbase? Oh right, the owner... he's the only problem here... model franchise w/o that guy...

Spatso acts like he really knows whats going on with the sell of the team and with Karlsson but he's only making speculation at best. All Sens fans can do the same on hockey's forums and think they're credible like him. What a moron!

What's not to love? The taxes? The rink in the middle of nowhere? The Phoenix pay system and every other excuse people come up with not to buy tickets? The buffoon masquerading as a GM? The moronic coach? The creepy former Asst. GM? The bi-polar fanbase? Oh right, the owner... he's the only problem here... model franchise w/o that guy...
- grim

only a loser would come in this thread and troll right now; the fact is Ottawa is one of the best cities in the world - safe, clean, friendly - unless you live here or have spent time how does your opinion mean anything

this guy is all over the map.....I genuinely don't think he even knows what he's arguing about.
- sensarmy_11

Oh Jesus. I’m not arguing anything , quit being a combative buffoon .All I’m trying to do is figure out what Karrlsons value is as he he inches closer and closer to free agency.
I use Edmonton as an example because I know those players best and what their value to the Oilers are.
I do know this, EK can help the Oilers win a championship ( as well as every other team in the league)...but then so can Draisaitl. The salaries are never gonna fit together on a team with McDavid so there is next to no chance of offering up a different package. So if the deal landed on the GM’s table, Erik Karlsson for Leon Draisaitl , I don’t think it’s an easy decision to make.

Edmonton has ZERO, maybe less than zero percent chance of landing EK as a free agent.

what pitch could they possibly make to lure him there over teams like tampa, vegas, dallas, etc

Edmonton has a chance at getting karlsson for a year via trade, they have no chance at getting karlsson via free agency. I expect if his agent sees chiarelli calling he doesn't even pick up the phone.
- sensarmy_11

Probably. McDavid tho. Might not mean poop to you, but it means something if players think they can win.

only a loser would come in this thread and troll right now; the fact is Ottawa is one of the best cities in the world - safe, clean, friendly - unless you live here or have spent time how does your opinion mean anything
- AlfieisKing

Yeah but NHL players want to win. And you forget that these guys have proven again and again league wide that their loyalty only goes so far. Just ask Daniel Alfreddson, Dana Heatly, Zdeno Chara ...they all liked or loved Ottawa too...and they all (frank)ed off for one reason or another.

Also. Delete your account.

Yeah but NHL players want to win. And you forget that these guys have proven again and again league wide that their loyalty only goes so far. Just ask Daniel Alfreddson, Dana Heatly, Zdeno Chara ...they all liked or loved Ottawa too...and they all (frank)ed off for one reason or another.

Also. Delete your account.
- HonkyTonkMan

Alfi is the only one in there who's a real good example of "loyalty only going so far"

heatley left because the coach told him to play a little defense and he got bitter about it.........plus he was a giant (frank)ing asshat

chara left because he wanted to be captain and that was never going to happen with alfi there. had nothing to do with loyalty, it was about him wanting something that the team and fans would never allow

Probably. McDavid tho. Might not mean poop to you, but it means something if players think they can win.
- HonkyTonkMan

I'm sorry if this comes across as "Richard-ish", and I say this knowing that my team sucks ass too, but if his motivation is wanting to win, I think Edmonton is one of the last places he'd go. they're one of the most poorly managed teams in the league, chiarelli has shown time and time again that he's basically one of, if not THE most incompetent GMs in the league today........maybe ever.

Oh Jesus. I’m not arguing anything , quit being a combative buffoon .All I’m trying to do is figure out what Karrlsons value is as he he inches closer and closer to free agency.
I use Edmonton as an example because I know those players best and what their value to the Oilers are.
I do know this, EK can help the Oilers win a championship ( as well as every other team in the league)...but then so can Draisaitl. The salaries are never gonna fit together on a team with McDavid so there is next to no chance of offering up a different package. So if the deal landed on the GM’s table, Erik Karlsson for Leon Draisaitl , I don’t think it’s an easy decision to make.
- HonkyTonkMan

Good post. Fair post.

The deal would be hard to make for both teams, therefore it has some merit.

Edmonton does not want to give up a horse who has his best years ahead of him. Ottawa does not want to take on a long term $8.5m salary. I think Karlsson would certainly be keen to play with McDavid and help take a team to a championship.

I believe Karlsson's first choice is to stay in Ottawa. I have no doubt it has been the team that has been pushing him out going back to the trade deadline of last year. Emotionally, I still hold out hope that somehow the sale of the franchise will result in a reconciliation. My head tells me that moving Karlsson for a good return is probably the best long term option in regard to the team's competitively.

Alfi is the only one in there who's a real good example of "loyalty only going so far"
- sensarmy_11

Even Alfie was tired of having his chain yanked. I for one, do not blame him one bit for doing what he did.

heatley left because the coach told him to play a little defense and he got bitter about it.........plus he was a giant (frank)ing asshat

chara left because he wanted to be captain and that was never going to happen with alfi there. had nothing to do with loyalty, it was about him wanting something that the team and fans would never allow
- sensarmy_11

Exactly.

What's not to love? The taxes? The rink in the middle of nowhere? The Phoenix pay system and every other excuse people come up with not to buy tickets? The buffoon masquerading as a GM? The moronic coach? The creepy former Asst. GM? The bi-polar fanbase? Oh right, the owner... he's the only problem here... model franchise w/o that guy...
- grim

The taxes are the same as in TO, the rink's getting moved in the foreseeable future and the Phoenix pay system issues are very real.

As for the buffoon GM, the moronic coach and creepy assistant GM, well, you might have a point there.

And FYI, all fanbases are bi-polar. Some are just better at hiding it than others.

Spatso acts like he really knows whats going on with the sell of the team and with Karlsson but he's only making speculation at best. All Sens fans can do the same on hockey's forums and think they're credible like him. What a moron!
- batman8990

The speculation of the sale of the team is an ongoing dialogue in Ottawa. The redevelopment of LeBretton is the lead construction issue. When Melnyk met with the mayor last week, his development partner (Ruddy) also attended the meeting. Ruddy has over $8b. of projects on the drawing board within a 1km radius of the proposed new arena.

As recently as six weeks ago the NHL (Deputy Commissioner Daly) came out and said "yes" there was an offer to buy the Sens from a competing LeBretton interest but the team was not for sale.

We know the names of the primary investors who are competing to try and control the redevelopment of LeBretton and through that the Ottawa Senators. A simple google search will enable you to see the individual huge money interests behind the groups.

Melnyk was very careful in how he parsed his words in describing the way forward. He was clear that the financing was in place to move forward with development. He suggested there were a few more issues that needed to be studied and approved before a final "go." The NCC which owns the land actually has the final say on approval. Melnyk's language was actually highly conciliatory. He appeared to be deferring to the influence of his development partners. From the Ottawa Citizen this Saturday:

“The one thing that is constant always is that we are here to stay in Ottawa for a very, very long time and we want to make sure the LeBreton project, if accomplished, is a success for many, many years for our children’s children and that’s the way we’re looking at it,” Melnyk said.

Ruddy was asked if there’s any truth to rumours that he’s considering buying the Senators. “Absolutely none,” he said.

Did you know, for example, the developers are estimating 11m day visits per year to a fully developed LeBretton. The new arena (events centre) is the key attraction for visitors. 65% of day visitors will arrive and depart the area on the new LRT which is to start service in November (3 months from now).

This is a huge project. Largest by a long way in the history of Ottawa. To say we don't know anything is silly.

I'm sorry if this comes across as "Richard-ish", and I say this knowing that my team sucks ass too, but if his motivation is wanting to win, I think Edmonton is one of the last places he'd go. they're one of the most poorly managed teams in the league, chiarelli has shown time and time again that he's basically one of, if not THE most incompetent GMs in the league today........maybe ever.
- sensarmy_11

He might be. But a year ago today the ‘experts’ were predicting the Oilers to be a strong favourite to win the west. Clearly they were wrong, but is it out of the realm of possibility that they return to that kind of success this season? I mean, the team hardly changed since then and were all aware of the 2 areas of their game that need to get back on track, and neither should be that hard.