Absurd to suggest that is what is being said. That's just what you want to to say. The Flyers have a very deep prospect pool.



Vecchione is an older and more mature player. Much younger players are higher on the list. Vecchione will get a chance and his play will decide if he is the true 3C the Flyers are looking for



This is funny. Frost was drafted in the first round. That automatically makes him a top prospect. The Flyers arguably have the best prospect pool in the NHL so how does a ranking of 4th for Frost suggest that he is not a top prospect.?



Many consider Hart to be a future NHL star goaltender. The idea that nobody knows how a prospect is going to turn out applies to every prospect not just goalies.



How many Phantoms practices have you actually watched? We'll find out what he is in the future. Same as every prospect.

Your comments not only lack legitimate hockey insight, they lack common sense.
- MJL

Why would you even attempt to address hockeyal? Have you never heard the phrase “He who argues with a fool, is but a fool himself”? Best to let him spew his nonsensical views, then go away.

Why would you even attempt to address hockeyal? Have you never heard the phrase “He who argues with a fool, is but a fool himself”? Best to let him spew his nonsensical views, then go away.
- Hokeeguy9

- johndewar

Abso(frank)inglutely!

Why would you even attempt to address hockeyal? Have you never heard the phrase “He who argues with a fool, is but a fool himself”? Best to let him spew his nonsensical views, then go away.
- Hokeeguy9

I here you but I think the rhetoric he spews needs to be countered.

fortnite is a poop game and i can't wait for that genre to die out
- 2Real

It’s entertaining. Just woke up and won a game. Great way to start Saturday

You know things are mostly pretty good in Flyersland when the discussion is centered around Fortnite.

1. Hart - Highest ceiling kid we have imo. There is always concern about how goalie prospects will eventually translate to the NHL but this kid has owned every level of play he's faced. He's the key piece tn this franchise FINALLY winning another playoff round.

2. Frost - the 2 thru 4 spots are really splitting hairs for me. I give Frost the edge in that I think he can has the potential to put up a bit more offensively than Farabee and hasn't had the injury woes Myers has, but again... splitting hairs trying to rank these three.

3. Myers - Everything you want in a D prospect. I feel like most of the fanbase is still sleeping on this kid because he wasn't a 1st round selection and injuries have set him back a bit. It's scary to think that they've still got him in their pocket after already adding Ghost, Provy and Sanheim.

4. Farabee - I think this kid is going to turn into the Flyers Swiss Army Knife. I see a more defensively responsible TK in him and that is really just a scary thought.

5. O'Brien - Long term prospect who frankly finds himself in a fantastic spot. Flyers are in no rush already having Coots, Patrick and Frost ahead of him. He needs to face tougher competition and he has all the time in the world to be developed the right way.

6. Allison - A sniping winger. Hallelujah. I have no clue what this kid's ceiling is going to be but I think it's going to be a fun ride finding out. He's also got the ginger factor, which for whatever reason seems to be good luck for us.

7. Morin - I think at best he's our 4th D man. At worst, he's a rock solid bottom pair guy. Either way I think he's eventually going to be a huge addition to the PK and Hexy's patience with him pays off.

8. Sandstrom - Really high on this kid. If not for Hart I think people would be in love with him. I fully believe he's going to knock Lyon and Stolarz out of the conversation sooner or later.

9. Vorobyev - Not a very high ceiling here but I see a spot for him on a NHL squad. I see him as a key piece to finally icing a respectable 4th line that will challenge teams.

10. Laczynski - He probably belongs above Vorobyev but Vorobyev is so close to being NHL ready now that I have to give him the edge in this list. There is going to be a ton of competition for between the center prospects not named Frost for that 4C spot. I think in the long run Laczynski may come out on top(at least until O'Brien comes along)

Shout outs to Ratcliffe & Ginning who I also feel are very solid prospects who just got edged out of the top 10.
- hereticpride

I like this list. Ratcliffe is a tough call because of his natural abilities could make him very tough to play against. But I can't argue with the guys above him on this list.

What a deep prospect pool. We are going to most likely hit on a handful of these kids. Really a lot of role playing NHL talent kids from 11-20 in my mind also.

I here you but I think the rhetoric he spews needs to be countered.
- MJL

Breaking it down by the 3 position groupings...what level of of player does a top 15 pick need to reach in order to not be labeled a bust. Is it playing regular minutes in the lineup, top 4, top 6? Etc

Breaking it down by the 3 position groupings...what level of of player does a top 15 pick need to reach in order to not be labeled a bust. Is it playing regular minutes in the lineup, top 4, top 6? Etc
- Just5

IMO, a 1st round bust means a player failed to play regularly as a top 9 forward, top 4 on D, or as a starting goalie in the NHL. Top 15 is meaningless. In some drafts you may have no true superstars and perhaps as few as 6-8 guys that scouts see as "can't miss above average NHL players". In others you may have 3 or 4 superstars and another 15-20 that fit the latter category.

In Morin's case, the Flyers made it pretty clear from day 1 that he was going to be a long term project. Obviously last years injuries set him back, and, again IMO, I thought he did enough in camp to have been one of their top 6 right out of the gate, but it ain't up to me. He's been a pro for 3 years and the 3rd year was derailed by injuries. He's also just turned 23 last month so it's not like he's over the hill. Large frame players like Morin often take longer to develop as they often continue to fill out until they reach their mid 20s. This holds true even more for dmen.

For Morin not to be a bust, he's needs to be playing in the Flyers top 6 by the start of 19-20 and also being a regular on the PK. If he can get to the point, and I think he can, where he can be the "stay-at-home" guy on the 2nd pair, be on the 1st pairing when killing penalties, and also be the guy who makes opponents think twice about running our goalies, then he's not a bust.

edit: a lot also has to do with where in the 1st round you are taken. Obviously expectations are, and should be, higher if you are taken in the top 5 then if you go say 28th.

Seeing the Pens with the last ranked farm system is almost as good as the flyers and one of the top ones

Breaking it down by the 3 position groupings...what level of of player does a top 15 pick need to reach in order to not be labeled a bust. Is it playing regular minutes in the lineup, top 4, top 6? Etc
- Just5

A bust is not becoming a regular NHL player.

A bust is not becoming a regular NHL player.
- MJL

I think it's a bit more than that. If you draft a player in the top 15, and he ends up a 4th line forward or a 6/7 dman, that is not good value for that pick. Whether you label him a "bust" or not is immaterial, it's still not good value for a pick in the first half of the first round. Here is how I would rate it in regards to getting value for the pick:

1st round lottery pick: should at least end up either an above average starting goalie, top 4 dman, or top 6 forward

Later 1st round pick: starting goalie, top 5 D or a top 9 forward

2nd round pick: is an NHL regular

3rd round pick or below: no such thing as a bust at this point, anything you get out of mid and low round picks is a bonus.

- hereticpride

Have not read anything this am but, looks like this post, will tie the room together.

Have not read anything this am but, looks like this post, will tie the room together.
- Konalover

All the dude ever wanted was his rug back.

He's well rounded.
- Mononoke

So was Chuck Barcley

All the dude ever wanted was his rug back.
- BiggE

Today I will be a Nihilist.
It's going to be exhausting.
Can you say White Russians for breakfast!!

Today I will be a Nihilist.
It's going to be exhausting.
Can you say White Russians for breakfast!!
- Konalover

🤣👍

Today I will be a Nihilist.
It's going to be exhausting.
Can you say White Russians for breakfast!!
- Konalover

I can and after a long night me had bailey in my coffee this AM

I think it's a bit more than that. If you draft a player in the top 15, and he ends up a 4th line forward or a 6/7 dman, that is not good value for that pick. Whether you label him a "bust" or not is immaterial, it's still not good value for a pick in the first half of the first round. Here is how I would rate it in regards to getting value for the pick:

1st round lottery pick: should at least end up either an above average starting goalie, top 4 dman, or top 6 forward

Later 1st round pick: starting goalie, top 5 D or a top 9 forward

2nd round pick: is an NHL regular

3rd round pick or below: no such thing as a bust at this point, anything you get out of mid and low round picks is a bonus.
- BiggE

I disagree. While you can certainly say if a player drafted in Morin's spot only winds up as a 3rd pair defenseman that is certainly a disappointing outcome for a player taken in that spot. However as long as he becomes a regular player in the lineup for a significant amount of time than that player is certainly not a bust.

Ryan Sittler, Claude Boivin, Maxime Ouellet were busts. If Morin plays on the Flyers 3rd pair on the blueline for 5 years or so, that's not a bust.

I disagree. While you can certainly say if a player drafted in Morin's spot only winds up as a 3rd pair defenseman that is certainly a disappointing outcome for a player taken in that spot. However as long as he becomes a regular player in the lineup for a significant amount of time than that player is certainly not a bust.

Ryan Sittler, Claude Boivin, Maxime Ouellet were busts. If Morin plays on the Flyers 3rd pair on the blueline for 5 years or so, that's not a bust.
- MJL

Again, call it whatever you like. If a player taken 11th overall ends up a 3rd pair Dman, you did not get value for your pick and you made a poor choice. I don’t see how that statement can be argued.

Seeing the Pens with the last ranked farm system is almost as good as the flyers and one of the top ones
- wcorvette

Yeah but seeing them with 2 cups in the last 3 years kinda negates all of that, doesn't it?!

Side note, would you all trade the farm system for that?? Now that we are this far in the process, I say absolutely not. 3-5 years ago and I would be thinking harder about it

Again, call it whatever you like. If a player taken 11th overall ends up a 3rd pair Dman, you did not get value for your pick and you made a poor choice. I don’t see how that statement can be argued.
- BiggE

I wasn't arguing that statement but call it whatever you want. You chose to ignore the part where I stated that a player taken in that spot would be a disappointing pick if that's all he turned out to be. However he still wouldn't be a bust. A 3rd pair defenseman is still a useful and necessary player even if you don't get the full expected value from the pick. I don't see how that statement can be argued.

Yeah but seeing them with 2 cups in the last 3 years kinda negates all of that, doesn't it?!

Side note, would you all trade the farm system for that?? Now that we are this far in the process, I say absolutely not. 3-5 years ago and I would be thinking harder about it
- iroc4me2

I would trade my left nut to see Giroux lift the cup

I would trade my left nut to see Giroux lift the cup
- bulet13

Dibs.