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bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Aug 3 @ 5:20 PM ET
He exclusively played net front last year on the Development team.

Farabee
Wise
Wahlstrom-York-Hughes

- Mononoke


I thought he was known more for his passing
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Aug 3 @ 5:37 PM ET
I thought he was known more for his passing
- bulet13


He's well rounded.
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Aug 3 @ 5:48 PM ET
I have to disagree with the long belief... That long belief was shared by Bobby Clarke as the GM, and following GMs. This is why only a few of us have memories of a cup in Philly. Obviously the team in front of the goalie matters, but IMO the goalie is the most important player on the ice. Sure, not-so-good goalies that won the cup, still out played the other goalie. Generally those not-so-good goalies played very well in the playoffs, stole a game or tow.

It may take some time for Hart. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a great rookie season and then cooled off for a couple seasons before taking another step forward.
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- leon neon


What is most important is Hexy believes this. He is out spoken about building from the back end up and from the center out which means his team of managers values goalies then Defense then Centers then Wings. His drafting tendencies support what he says.
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Aug 3 @ 5:54 PM ET
just started watching but JOB is scratched it looks like
- YuenglingJagr


Surprised he got scratched. I guess they had trouble finding where JOB fit in the line up. Last game they moved him all over the place.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 3 @ 6:01 PM ET
What is most important is Hexy believes this. He is out spoken about building from the back end up and from the center out which means his team of managers values goalies then Defense then Centers then Wings. His drafting tendencies support what he says.
- peesinwind


Actually I think it's the other way around if we want to look at it that way. When has Hextall taken a goalie in the first round? If they value goalies the most, wouldn't that be different? Truth is they draft BPA until getting deeper into the draft. It would be interesting to see what they would do if there was a goalie they felt was the BPA in a first round scenario. I also think they feel they can get a quality goaltending prospect in the later rounds.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Aug 3 @ 6:17 PM ET
He's well rounded.
- Mononoke

Unless he’s on a breakaway
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Aug 3 @ 6:18 PM ET
Unless he’s on a breakaway
- YuenglingJagr

So you're saying he's born to be a Flyer
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Aug 3 @ 6:41 PM ET
Actually I think it's the other way around if we want to look at it that way. When has Hextall taken a goalie in the first round? If they value goalies the most, wouldn't that be different? Truth is they draft BPA until getting deeper into the draft. It would be interesting to see what they would do if there was a goalie they felt was the BPA in a first round scenario. I also think they feel they can get a quality goaltending prospect in the later rounds.
- MJL


Right. I guess I meant looking at the value he puts on them as regarded to when they tend to be drafted. Goalies tend to not get drafted till the later portions of the second rounds and on. Hexy took the first or second goalie taken in a couple drafts as well has drafted a tone of them compared to positions available. I think he has backed up what he has said. While the log jam is evident at every position but at goalie it is rediculous. Even after getting rid of Marody (spelling?) and having 4 over seas. Crazy at how well he has built the feeder systems and prospect pools.
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Aug 3 @ 6:58 PM ET
Ranking our prospects I would have Hart as the #1. He is so highly rated compared to his peers. I’ve seen him one or two on all the goalie prospect rankings. The kid owns some records in the Juniors. His talent level is unique. Sandstrom is really good but I don’t think he is what Hart is. Hart’s ceiling is interesting. Price didn’t even put together these numbers this early in his career. If he turns into a Price and with the support Hexy is building in front of him he could really shine.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Aug 3 @ 7:03 PM ET
Ranking our prospects I would have Hart as the #1. He is so highly rated compared to his peers. I’ve seen him one or two on all the goalie prospect rankings. The kid owns some records in the Juniors. His talent level is unique. Sandstrom is really good but I don’t think he is what Hart is. Hart’s ceiling is interesting. Price didn’t even put together these numbers this early in his career. If he turns into a Price and with the support Hexy is building in front of him he could really shine.
- peesinwind

I too would put Hart #1
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Aug 3 @ 7:17 PM ET
1. Hart - Highest ceiling kid we have imo. There is always concern about how goalie prospects will eventually translate to the NHL but this kid has owned every level of play he's faced. He's the key piece tn this franchise FINALLY winning another playoff round.

2. Frost - the 2 thru 4 spots are really splitting hairs for me. I give Frost the edge in that I think he can has the potential to put up a bit more offensively than Farabee and hasn't had the injury woes Myers has, but again... splitting hairs trying to rank these three.

3. Myers - Everything you want in a D prospect. I feel like most of the fanbase is still sleeping on this kid because he wasn't a 1st round selection and injuries have set him back a bit. It's scary to think that they've still got him in their pocket after already adding Ghost, Provy and Sanheim.

4. Farabee - I think this kid is going to turn into the Flyers Swiss Army Knife. I see a more defensively responsible TK in him and that is really just a scary thought.

5. O'Brien - Long term prospect who frankly finds himself in a fantastic spot. Flyers are in no rush already having Coots, Patrick and Frost ahead of him. He needs to face tougher competition and he has all the time in the world to be developed the right way.

6. Allison - A sniping winger. Hallelujah. I have no clue what this kid's ceiling is going to be but I think it's going to be a fun ride finding out. He's also got the ginger factor, which for whatever reason seems to be good luck for us.

7. Morin - I think at best he's our 4th D man. At worst, he's a rock solid bottom pair guy. Either way I think he's eventually going to be a huge addition to the PK and Hexy's patience with him pays off.

8. Sandstrom - Really high on this kid. If not for Hart I think people would be in love with him. I fully believe he's going to knock Lyon and Stolarz out of the conversation sooner or later.

9. Vorobyev - Not a very high ceiling here but I see a spot for him on a NHL squad. I see him as a key piece to finally icing a respectable 4th line that will challenge teams.

10. Laczynski - He probably belongs above Vorobyev but Vorobyev is so close to being NHL ready now that I have to give him the edge in this list. There is going to be a ton of competition for between the center prospects not named Frost for that 4C spot. I think in the long run Laczynski may come out on top(at least until O'Brien comes along)

Shout outs to Ratcliffe & Ginning who I also feel are very solid prospects who just got edged out of the top 10.
sILKAsSINASALO
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.20.2018

Aug 3 @ 7:45 PM ET
1. Hart - Highest ceiling kid we have imo. There is always concern about how goalie prospects will eventually translate to the NHL but this kid has owned every level of play he's faced. He's the key piece tn this franchise FINALLY winning another playoff round.

2. Frost - the 2 thru 4 spots are really splitting hairs for me. I give Frost the edge in that I think he can has the potential to put up a bit more offensively than Farabee and hasn't had the injury woes Myers has, but again... splitting hairs trying to rank these three.

3. Myers - Everything you want in a D prospect. I feel like most of the fanbase is still sleeping on this kid because he wasn't a 1st round selection and injuries have set him back a bit. It's scary to think that they've still got him in their pocket after already adding Ghost, Provy and Sanheim.

4. Farabee - I think this kid is going to turn into the Flyers Swiss Army Knife. I see a more defensively responsible TK in him and that is really just a scary thought.

5. O'Brien - Long term prospect who frankly finds himself in a fantastic spot. Flyers are in no rush already having Coots, Patrick and Frost ahead of him. He needs to face tougher competition and he has all the time in the world to be developed the right way.

6. Allison - A sniping winger. Hallelujah. I have no clue what this kid's ceiling is going to be but I think it's going to be a fun ride finding out. He's also got the ginger factor, which for whatever reason seems to be good luck for us.

7. Morin - I think at best he's our 4th D man. At worst, he's a rock solid bottom pair guy. Either way I think he's eventually going to be a huge addition to the PK and Hexy's patience with him pays off.

8. Sandstrom - Really high on this kid. If not for Hart I think people would be in love with him. I fully believe he's going to knock Lyon and Stolarz out of the conversation sooner or later.

9. Vorobyev - Not a very high ceiling here but I see a spot for him on a NHL squad. I see him as a key piece to finally icing a respectable 4th line that will challenge teams.

10. Laczynski - He probably belongs above Vorobyev but Vorobyev is so close to being NHL ready now that I have to give him the edge in this list. There is going to be a ton of competition for between the center prospects not named Frost for that 4C spot. I think in the long run Laczynski may come out on top(at least until O'Brien comes along)

Shout outs to Ratcliffe & Ginning who I also feel are very solid prospects who just got edged out of the top 10.

- hereticpride

I like this list but I really like ratcliffe. I think he is going to be better than most people give him credit for. He is my dark horse from the farm system
Hokeeguy9
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bethlehem, PA
Joined: 06.25.2012

Aug 3 @ 7:51 PM ET
Which I think would be great..

I still would have given the 4th overall to Colorado this year and hoped for number one next year. I would have tried to use this year to get my house in order. They just seem like a mess.

- J35Bacher


This! Ottawa totally crapped the bed! Feel bad for their fan base.
Hokeeguy9
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bethlehem, PA
Joined: 06.25.2012

Aug 3 @ 7:51 PM ET
Which I think would be great..

I still would have given the 4th overall to Colorado this year and hoped for number one next year. I would have tried to use this year to get my house in order. They just seem like a mess.

- J35Bacher


This! Ottawa totally crapped the bed! Feel bad for their fan base.
FlyerFan16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CT
Joined: 09.21.2014

Aug 3 @ 8:03 PM ET
Surprised he got scratched. I guess they had trouble finding where JOB fit in the line up. Last game they moved him all over the place.
- peesinwind

So, you're saying he is the next Brayden Schenn?
Hokeeguy9
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bethlehem, PA
Joined: 06.25.2012

Aug 3 @ 8:03 PM ET
1. Hart - Highest ceiling kid we have imo. There is always concern about how goalie prospects will eventually translate to the NHL but this kid has owned every level of play he's faced. He's the key piece tn this franchise FINALLY winning another playoff round.

2. Frost - the 2 thru 4 spots are really splitting hairs for me. I give Frost the edge in that I think he can has the potential to put up a bit more offensively than Farabee and hasn't had the injury woes Myers has, but again... splitting hairs trying to rank these three.

3. Myers - Everything you want in a D prospect. I feel like most of the fanbase is still sleeping on this kid because he wasn't a 1st round selection and injuries have set him back a bit. It's scary to think that they've still got him in their pocket after already adding Ghost, Provy and Sanheim.

4. Farabee - I think this kid is going to turn into the Flyers Swiss Army Knife. I see a more defensively responsible TK in him and that is really just a scary thought.

5. O'Brien - Long term prospect who frankly finds himself in a fantastic spot. Flyers are in no rush already having Coots, Patrick and Frost ahead of him. He needs to face tougher competition and he has all the time in the world to be developed the right way.

6. Allison - A sniping winger. Hallelujah. I have no clue what this kid's ceiling is going to be but I think it's going to be a fun ride finding out. He's also got the ginger factor, which for whatever reason seems to be good luck for us.

7. Morin - I think at best he's our 4th D man. At worst, he's a rock solid bottom pair guy. Either way I think he's eventually going to be a huge addition to the PK and Hexy's patience with him pays off.

8. Sandstrom - Really high on this kid. If not for Hart I think people would be in love with him. I fully believe he's going to knock Lyon and Stolarz out of the conversation sooner or later.

9. Vorobyev - Not a very high ceiling here but I see a spot for him on a NHL squad. I see him as a key piece to finally icing a respectable 4th line that will challenge teams.

10. Laczynski - He probably belongs above Vorobyev but Vorobyev is so close to being NHL ready now that I have to give him the edge in this list. There is going to be a ton of competition for between the center prospects not named Frost for that 4C spot. I think in the long run Laczynski may come out on top(at least until O'Brien comes along)

Shout outs to Ratcliffe & Ginning who I also feel are very solid prospects who just got edged out of the top 10.

- hereticpride


Nice assessment.

Came to the Rod Stewart concert, and Cyndi Lauper is on now, so I have time to kill and back read all the posts!
hockeyal
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.22.2017

Aug 3 @ 8:55 PM ET
sporting news top 10

PROSPECT POSITION 2018-19 TEAM (Proj.) ACQUIRED
1. Joel Farabee LW Boston U. (NCAA) 1st/2018
2. Carter Hart G Lehigh Valley (AHL) 2nd/2016
3. Philippe Myers RHD Lehigh Valley (AHL) UDFA
4. Morgan Frost C Sault Ste. Marie (OHL) 1st/2017
5. Oskar Lindblom LW Philadelphia (NHL) 5th/2014
6. German Rubstov C Lehigh Valley (AHL) 1st/2016
7. Jay O'Brien C Providence (NCAA) 1st/2018
8. Mike Vecchione C/W Lehigh Valley (AHL) UDFA
9. Isaac Ratcliffe LW Guelph (AHL) 2nd/2017
10. Wade Allison RW W. Michigan (NCAA) 2nd/2016

- nastyflyergirl


Interesting that this list, and several other columns written by real hockey people seem to say what I have been saying:

1) The hockey world outside the SkateZone has already written Morin off as a bust.
2) Vecchione is a talented center who will play top 9 minutes elsewhere if the Flyers don't get their heads out of their butts. Of all of the forward prospects, he is the most NHL ready, the true 3C the Flyers are looking for.
3) Frost lacks the size and defensive game to be considered to top prospect YET (he is growing and learning).
4) Hart is not their top prospect, not because he doesn't have the highest upside, but because nobody really knows how goaltenders are going to turn out once they have to stop NHL shooters.
5) Vorobyev has been a great practice player, but was not consistently a top 9 forward for the Phantoms last year, and its not clear he is an NHL player, in spite of his potential upside.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Aug 3 @ 9:03 PM ET
I like this list but I really like ratcliffe. I think he is going to be better than most people give him credit for. He is my dark horse from the farm system
- sILKAsSINASALO

He was the hardest player to leave off the list. He could probably take Vorobyev's spot on there, who I included mostly because I believe he's very close to being NHL ready(in a 4th line role but still...)
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 3 @ 9:53 PM ET
Interesting that this list, and several other columns written by real hockey people seem to say what I have been saying:

1) The hockey world outside the SkateZone has already written Morin off as a bust.


- hockeyal


Absurd to suggest that is what is being said. That's just what you want to to say. The Flyers have a very deep prospect pool.


2) Vecchione is a talented center who will play top 9 minutes elsewhere if the Flyers don't get their heads out of their butts. Of all of the forward prospects, he is the most NHL ready, the true 3C the Flyers are looking for.


- hockeyal


Vecchione is an older and more mature player. Much younger players are higher on the list. Vecchione will get a chance and his play will decide if he is the true 3C the Flyers are looking for


3) Frost lacks the size and defensive game to be considered to top prospect YET (he is growing and learning).


- hockeyal


This is funny. Frost was drafted in the first round. That automatically makes him a top prospect. The Flyers arguably have the best prospect pool in the NHL so how does a ranking of 4th for Frost suggest that he is not a top prospect.?


4) Hart is not their top prospect, not because he doesn't have the highest upside, but because nobody really knows how goaltenders are going to turn out once they have to stop NHL shooters.


- hockeyal


Many consider Hart to be a future NHL star goaltender. The idea that nobody knows how a prospect is going to turn out applies to every prospect not just goalies.


5) Vorobyev has been a great practice player, but was not consistently a top 9 forward for the Phantoms last year, and its not clear he is an NHL player, in spite of his potential upside.

- hockeyal


How many Phantoms practices have you actually watched? We'll find out what he is in the future. Same as every prospect.

Your comments not only lack legitimate hockey insight, they lack common sense.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Aug 3 @ 10:06 PM ET
but where are the lööps, bröthers?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 3 @ 10:35 PM ET
i have a hard time believing we couldn't give up our spare parts for Skinner
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Aug 3 @ 10:40 PM ET
i have a hard time believing we couldn't give up our spare parts for Skinner
- 2Real

but WHERE are the lööps?!
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Aug 3 @ 10:49 PM ET
I just found out which prospects play Fortnite. I will be updating my prospect rankings shortly
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 3 @ 11:20 PM ET
I just found out which prospects play Fortnite. I will be updating my prospect rankings shortly
- YuenglingJagr

fortnite is a poop game and i can't wait for that genre to die out
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Aug 3 @ 11:37 PM ET
fortnite is a poop game and i can't wait for that genre to die out
- 2Real

big yeeeeet
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