I don't think there is any reason to have Vecchione in there above Morin or Vorobyev. There's just no logic behind it.

My rankings with some thought behind them...
1. Frost - He just had about as good of a season he could possibly have on a really good team, so there is risk in overrating him. However, I think C is very important and I think he gets the edge over other prospects due to his ability to create on his own. He does it all...smart, fast, skilled, and I suspect he will get better looking over the next 2-3 years.

2. Myers - I just rank defensemen (and centers) higher than goalies. He is RH, aggressive, skilled, and fast. He is the exact kind of defenseman I want to have on this team and the value that he will bring to the team gives him #2 spot.

3. Hart - Hart is the last of the prospects that I would have no problem ranking #1. I have him at #3 just because goalies are weird and they aren't valuable until they are really valuable. He is as good of a goalie prospect as ever. Really excited about him and can't wait to watch him this season.

4. Farabee - I am really liking what I see and have him ranked based on upside. Still a little fear that he is playing with such good players but I think he (at a prospect level) is more skilled than Konecny and can create more. Obviously is better defensively. He will be really good for our top 6.

5. Lindblom - He makes it because he is technically still a rookie. I think some guys behind him have slightly better upsides, but his maturity as a prospect has him here for me. Very good forward that most likely ends up playing in a variety of roles here. Biggest knock is his speed.

6. Allison - Without injury and if he were turning pro, he could edge Lindblom soon. He gets this spot over Ratcliffe and JOB due to shot quality. I think he is one of the best shooters in the prospect pool and I like his overall game better.

7. Ratcliffe - another goal scorer with a huge frame and skates very well. 6-8 and in many ways 5-8 are even for me.

8. O'Brien - a bit raw to confidently place him over guys like Morin/Vorobyev/Rubstov, but betting on his attitude, work ethic, and pedigree. I expect him to be good, but even if he never reaches top potential as a C he will be a very good bottom 6 player for our (hopefully stacked) forward group. Also timing of his development could be good for replacing important older players.

9. Morin - I don't think he will ever hit the upside that you'd like from #11 OA, but that doesn't mean he won't be effective for the Flyers. I think (/hope) he will be a modern defensive defenseman, if you will, and dominate the defensive zone while being good enough to get out of it. Still has work to do with the puck on his stick.

10. Vorobyev - very good year for the Phantoms and a move to NA ice. I think a lot of times prospects are rated based on upside and what is expected to be their ceiling. He is unique because I think his ceiling has grown offensively for many people.

not in any specific order - NAK, Rubstov, Laczynski, Hogberg, Sandstrom would be the next group. Friedman, Strome, Lycksell, Stolarz, Cates, Ustimenko would be next for me.

fite me, please
- YuenglingJagr

Hard to argue here. I would have laczynski in there instead of Morin but that’s about it

If he waits until he hits FA after college like Wheeler and Veasey he still can only sign an ELC and everyone will offer him what Ottawa did.
- J35Bacher

I just meant in the meantime. He will have to wait to get paid until the dust settles before he makes good money but it may be worth it for happiness at your job.

rambling rankings

fite me, please
- YuenglingJagr

Pretty similar.

Request a trade asap. He's throwing millions away if he goes back to school just because he doesn't want to play for Ottawa.
- hereticpride

Even if he requests a trade Ottawa doesn't have to do it. Realistically what is his value right now? Ottawa will lose out either way but that seems to be the trend for that franchise right now. What a poop show

Yup, competition for Flyers forward spots is going to be fierce over the next few seasons.

Frost and Ratcliffe will both turn pro after this year, and I can see Frost skipping the AHL altogether and making the roster for opening night 19-20. Ratcliffe will likely still be filling out a bit, but he should be challenging for a regular spot in the top 9 by the start of 20-21.

Farabee, if he continues to get stronger, could mirror Konecny and push hard for a spot at the start of 19-20 as well. If not, he's pretty close to a sure thing in 20-21. O'Brien will likely be pushing for a spot by 20-21 too as may Cates.

Both Allison and Lacyznski could be challenging for spots at the start of 19-20 and almost certainly by 20-21. Plus guys down on the farm like NAK, Vecchione, and perhaps Vorobyev will be pushing for spots this upcoming season and Rubtsov could be knocking on the door by some point during 19-20.

It's going to be fun to watch!
- BiggE

These are very exciting times to be a flyers fan!! The youth movement is absolutely amazing in this franchise.
Patrick is such a gift!!! Even drafting second overall I truly feel we got the better player!!
I wonder what nico's numbers would be if he didn't get to play with Hall.

Here's how I order them.

Wade Allison RW W. Michigan (NCAA) 2nd/2016
Joel Farabee LW Boston U. (NCAA) 1st/2018
Morgan Frost C Sault Ste. Marie (OHL) 1st/2017
Carter Hart G Lehigh Valley (AHL) 2nd/2016
Oskar Lindblom LW Philadelphia (NHL) 5th/2014
Philippe Myers RHD Lehigh Valley (AHL) UDFA
Jay O'Brien C Providence (NCAA) 1st/2018
Isaac Ratcliffe LW Guelph (AHL) 2nd/2017
German Rubstov C Lehigh Valley (AHL) 1st/2016
Mike Vecchione C/W Lehigh Valley (AHL) UDFA

I just meant in the meantime. He will have to wait to get paid until the dust settles before he makes good money but it may be worth it for happiness at your job.
- sILKAsSINASALO

I get it but I am sure he would be fine. I mean it's not bad being a highly touted, nhl drafted hockey player at BU. I mean things could be worse.

I get it but I am sure he would be fine. I mean it's not bad being a highly touted, nhl drafted hockey player at BU. I mean things could be worse.
- J35Bacher

True, he could be going to school at Michigan

I would have moved Karlsson to Vegas at the deadline when you heard they were heavily interested in him. Hell Vegas paid a good amount for Tomas Tatar, I am sure they would have went big to get Karlsson.

I would have done Stone at the draft. Get another 2018 1st rounder and give 4 to Colorado to hold onto my pick in 2019
- J35Bacher

Send this statement and your resume to the Ottawa senators! You're already a better GM than they have

Send this statement and your resume to the Ottawa senators! You're already a better GM than they have
- sILKAsSINASALO

I just don't understand what they are doing. Maybe they have a plan but from the outside looking in it seems they are not sure exactly which path they want to take. If your not going to pay Karlsson what he wants and probably deserves then move him. Duchene is a FA next year. Now Stone is.

Can you really see anyone wanting to stay without Ottawa having a clear path.

Send this statement and your resume to the Ottawa senators! You're already a better GM than they have
- sILKAsSINASALO

I just don't understand what they are doing. Maybe they have a plan but from the outside looking in it seems they are not sure exactly which path they want to take. If your not going to pay Karlsson what he wants and probably deserves then move him. Duchene is a FA next year. Now Stone is.

Can you really see anyone wanting to stay without Ottawa having a clear path.

I have spent valuable time and effort in compiling my list of Flyers top 10 prospects. I hope you all enjoy my work. It took a lot of time. I did get some help. But based on the list, I doubt you'll know who helped me compose. Thanks.


1. Bust
2. Bust
3. Bust
4. Are you kidding me, Bust
5. Totally inept pick, Bust
6. Another Bust
7. Probable Bust
8. No doubt about it Bust
9. Maybe, nah, Bust
10. BUST

I have spent valuable time and effort in compiling my list of Flyers top 10 prospects. I hope you all enjoy my work. It took a lot of time. I did get some help. But based on the list, I doubt you'll know who helped me compose. Thanks.


1. Bust
2. Bust
3. Bust
4. Are you kidding me, Bust
5. Totally inept pick, Bust
6. Another Bust
7. Probable Bust
8. No doubt about it Bust
9. Maybe, nah, Bust
10. BUST
- hockeylover

lol

I have spent valuable time and effort in compiling my list of Flyers top 10 prospects. I hope you all enjoy my work. It took a lot of time. I did get some help. But based on the list, I doubt you'll know who helped me compose. Thanks.


1. Bust
2. Bust
3. Bust
4. Are you kidding me, Bust
5. Totally inept pick, Bust
6. Another Bust
7. Probable Bust
8. No doubt about it Bust
9. Maybe, nah, Bust
10. BUST
- hockeylover

So you're saying there's a chance...

I don't think there is any reason to have Vecchione in there above Morin or Vorobyev. There's just no logic behind it.

My rankings with some thought behind them...
1. Frost - He just had about as good of a season he could possibly have on a really good team, so there is risk in overrating him. However, I think C is very important and I think he gets the edge over other prospects due to his ability to create on his own. He does it all...smart, fast, skilled, and I suspect he will get better looking over the next 2-3 years.

2. Myers - I just rank defensemen (and centers) higher than goalies. He is RH, aggressive, skilled, and fast. He is the exact kind of defenseman I want to have on this team and the value that he will bring to the team gives him #2 spot.

3. Hart - Hart is the last of the prospects that I would have no problem ranking #1. I have him at #3 just because goalies are weird and they aren't valuable until they are really valuable. He is as good of a goalie prospect as ever. Really excited about him and can't wait to watch him this season.

4. Farabee - I am really liking what I see and have him ranked based on upside. Still a little fear that he is playing with such good players but I think he (at a prospect level) is more skilled than Konecny and can create more. Obviously is better defensively. He will be really good for our top 6.

5. Lindblom - He makes it because he is technically still a rookie. I think some guys behind him have slightly better upsides, but his maturity as a prospect has him here for me. Very good forward that most likely ends up playing in a variety of roles here. Biggest knock is his speed.

6. Allison - Without injury and if he were turning pro, he could edge Lindblom soon. He gets this spot over Ratcliffe and JOB due to shot quality. I think he is one of the best shooters in the prospect pool and I like his overall game better.

7. Ratcliffe - another goal scorer with a huge frame and skates very well. 6-8 and in many ways 5-8 are even for me.

8. O'Brien - a bit raw to confidently place him over guys like Morin/Vorobyev/Rubstov, but betting on his attitude, work ethic, and pedigree. I expect him to be good, but even if he never reaches top potential as a C he will be a very good bottom 6 player for our (hopefully stacked) forward group. Also timing of his development could be good for replacing important older players.

9. Morin - I don't think he will ever hit the upside that you'd like from #11 OA, but that doesn't mean he won't be effective for the Flyers. I think (/hope) he will be a modern defensive defenseman, if you will, and dominate the defensive zone while being good enough to get out of it. Still has work to do with the puck on his stick.

10. Vorobyev - very good year for the Phantoms and a move to NA ice. I think a lot of times prospects are rated based on upside and what is expected to be their ceiling. He is unique because I think his ceiling has grown offensively for many people.

not in any specific order - NAK, Rubstov, Laczynski, Hogberg, Sandstrom would be the next group. Friedman, Strome, Lycksell, Stolarz, Cates, Ustimenko would be next for me.

fite me, please
- YuenglingJagr

Well done. Nice analysis of the prospects. I agree with almost all of this but I think ratcliffe has a higher ceiling thsn he is given credit for. I'm very excited to see ratcliffe make the team and see what he can do. He has that scoring touch

So you're saying there's a chance...
- jmatchett383

I'm saying a poor man's Brayden Schenn.

Did Glak really get the boot for that exchange with Alfie yesterday?!

I just don't understand what they are doing. Maybe they have a plan but from the outside looking in it seems they are not sure exactly which path they want to take. If your not going to pay Karlsson what he wants and probably deserves then move him. Duchene is a FA next year. Now Stone is.

Can you really see anyone wanting to stay without Ottawa having a clear path.
- J35Bacher

Remember just a couple of seasons ago when Ottawa was the surprise team that looked like they were only missing a player or two away from contention? What the (frank) happened?? I mean we know what happened but still.... how does this happen?

Did Glak really get the boot for that exchange with Alfie yesterday?!
- ajw12

the mod who banned him is one of the worst on this site. mostly because he's a canucks fan but also because he doesn't do a good job.

I have no problem with him at #1, I just don't agree with putting him there myself.

While I don't disagree that him reaching his potential would improve the chances of the Flyers winning the cup, I don't think he needs to for that to happen. I have long believed that the team in front of the goalie is more important. At the end of the day, someone in net is going to have to do just enough for them to win. There have been really good goalies that haven't and there have been not so good goalies that have.

I also suspect that the returns on Frost and Myers will happen before Hart. I know most people expect Hart to just come in and play lights out, but that isn't normal. Carey Price took several years, John Gibson had some rough exits, Connor Hellebyuck was a mess until he wasn't. Then there is Matt Murray who came in and was fantastic for two playoffs.
- YuenglingJagr

I have to disagree with the long belief... That long belief was shared by Bobby Clarke as the GM, and following GMs. This is why only a few of us have memories of a cup in Philly. Obviously the team in front of the goalie matters, but IMO the goalie is the most important player on the ice. Sure, not-so-good goalies that won the cup, still out played the other goalie. Generally those not-so-good goalies played very well in the playoffs, stole a game or tow.

It may take some time for Hart. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a great rookie season and then cooled off for a couple seasons before taking another step forward.
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just started watching but JOB is scratched it looks like

Interesting that they're putting Farabee in the netfront spot on the PP

Also he just got destroyed by a high stick

Cates getting some pp2 time

Shoulda had an assist there

Interesting that they're putting Farabee in the netfront spot on the PP

Also he just got destroyed by a high stick
- bulet13

He exclusively played net front last year on the Development team.

Farabee
Wise
Wahlstrom-York-Hughes

I'm down to tank for Hughes

He's unreal