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PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Aug 2 @ 10:48 AM ET
Going to be a long and painful year regardless of how you look at it.
No big trades coming, no big signing coming.
CC, total mistery, no timeline, not 100% and a guy who has not played in a year.
Cam Ward will be your starter on most nights - thats saying a lot.
Our dumpster diving acquisitations are Kunitzs and Manning....simply wow.
Toews and Seabs a resurgence? Thats a pipe dream.
I figure Q will be gone sooner than later.
No playoffs.
Result - high lottery pick and hopefully some of the core will be moved and the team can really start rebuilding.
Mic drop.

- Hawkster


Cool. See you in 2019 then?
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Aug 2 @ 10:55 AM ET
That is going to put lots of pressure and a change in the way the centre for that line plays because Kane will always be lagging behind by virtue of his attack skills and the 'cat just isn't a speed demon.

So I am not sure if that is the best use of personal if you aren't on the PP.

- wiz1901


Ehhhhhh, Kane dragged Brad Richards and the corpse of Verbeaty to a MVP like season before he got hit from behind and popped his clavicle.

With Schmaltz's speed and Debrincat having the best shot on the team its fine.

Debrincat isn't that slow either btw. He gets up and down the ice more than adequately.
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Aug 2 @ 10:56 AM ET
They played really well together at Worlds, I do not see why Q is so opposed to it.

How about the following:

Debrincat--Toews--Kane
Saad--Schmaltz--Sikura
Kunitz--Anisimov--Edjsell
Pick 2 wingers for the 4th line with Kruger

- KMFDMLight


Saad on the RW so he can attack the goal rather than skating around it in transition.
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Aug 2 @ 10:57 AM ET
Stan should trade Schmaltz while he still has some value. Maybe for Patches straight up, but Chicago might have to throw in Sikura or Mitchell too.
- DarthKane


Talk about a headcase that only tries when he wants to. Schmaltz is younger, faster and will put up more points over the next 3 years then Patches for sure.
Hawkster
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Quebec , QC
Joined: 06.13.2008

Aug 2 @ 11:07 AM ET
Cool. See you in 2019 then?
- PatShart


Will be watching as always this year and next.
Fan regardless of the product on the ice.
Will be exciting to see how the youth will progress.
Just somewhat dissapointed of the lack of direction by upper mngt (or maybe its just my perception?) either that or my expectations are too high.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Aug 2 @ 11:57 AM ET
I think Skinner is better skater.
- wiz1901


Yeah.

Think Skinner has better/quicker feet in tight, but DeBrincat has better hands.

Ultimately pretty similar. Jeff's more of a pure attacking player and creates with his feet, Debrincat thinks things through better and has softer hands.

Pick your poison, really.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Aug 2 @ 12:13 PM ET
The Flames have put Brouwer on unconditional waivers with the intention of buying him out.

Stan needs to right one of the Hawks biggest wrongs and bring Brouwer back into the fold. Stan should lock him up for a few years, do what it takes...long term deal, NTC/NMC...just get it done.

wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Aug 2 @ 12:25 PM ET
This! He (Boqvist) has huge upside but he is really raw right now.
- MjulQvist


yeah, I just don't understand how after your team picks 8th overall and gets a player who already has shown abilities that place him above most of the draft class in terms of attacking skills, set up skills, that you suddenly think bust based on no concrete evidence.

I could go out right now and post Oliver Wahlstrom has a shot, but doesn't project as an NHL player until he is more a perimeter player and unless he starts working to win back pucks and to feed his teammates.

My point is your chief scouts get to the five minutes before they are able to pick, and they get paid a handsome salary, so they better be pretty informed and be making projections...yes, because that's what every team is doing projecting eventual NHL status...and if you take a look at the players selected around each prospect selected, in each and every draft EVER, you can see kids that work to make it, kids that have dynamic written all over them and don't make and kids that do.

That chief scout gets paid handsomely to choose the best value player, the best fit for now and what his team thinks will be the new NHL in the next four years as to how the game will be played.

That idea in the Athletic article about the hawks staff watching the playoffs and how the games were played is not revolutionary, but smart coaches can cobble out what attributes at which positions will be the guiding abilities to play that "new playoff style."

So it's time for pick #8 and the prospect the hockey news called the second best scoring defenseman in the 2018 draft a guy that was according to the Hockey News going to be gone by slot five is still on the board.

What would you do?
The Hockey News
5. Adam Boqvist, D, Brynas (Swe.): He doesn’t have the size of Dahlin, but he does have the mobility, smarts and puck skills. Boqvist can also take care of his own end, making him a great investment.

Sure you can read the above (what they wrote not me...but mine is there if you click on his name on Draftsite.com
...or I can repost it here:
This player compensates his 5ft 11inch 170 lb size with terrific hands and ability to push the pace, doing a decent job in his own end using his skill set. In the Swedish junior league, Boqvist showcased a nice shot, high end speed, and agility. He may very well be the top finesse and fine-edge-skating defenseman in the draft, displaying great balance and lateral mobility. He is lightning fast and has great vision. He distributes the puck unselfishly and he jumps in on the attack -- sometimes leading it. He opens up and delivers a very accurate one timer. As a slight, smaller player, he gets overtaken, losing puck battles to the bigger players. Does show good vision in both ends but it is a bigger challenge in his own end. His fast feet help negate some of his problems in the defensive zone, but it is difficult to ignore his defensive zone positioning issues. As a lightweight anchor, he needs to fill out, get stronger, and build his defensive game.)

Now, you can read all this about a 17 year old kid and feel it is time to make a decision on his future.

but...every single player taken after he was had less of the bolded above, so it comes down to what YOU think the future NHL is going to depend more on, the bolded above or the old paradigms that are tied to size, physicality, and average hands and decision making.

To me thinking fast along with all those other "skilled fasts", if displayed in their age group at the time of their draft count over any placements at higher level leagues where the teammates and their play may influence what you think one way or another.

That to me was the interesting thing about that Corey Prohman Swedish coach Tomas Monten phone interview...

you have the coach answering in a linear fashion: this guy was good here, not good here in this tourney, good in pro league but not a good junior player...because he is watching and basing growth like you do behavior in an adolescent: he was good at the birthday party, but when we took him to the ice cream shoppe with his friends he was awful, acting spoiled, uncharge and rude to his parents....

and you see good ole Corey (set in his ways) already decided on each and ever players abilities "dynamicism" like they are done...that Corey's job is done, they are cast and he is not budging on his decisions on them.

So I ask all to not start attempting to judge draft picks farmhands or call ups as a straight one call up and done sort of judging...
and do the same with Adam Boqvist.

I know one thing, having both Boqvist and Bouchard on the same junior team will give you a pretty good glimpse of what is already there in each of their toolboxes...and what needs to be added.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Aug 2 @ 12:35 PM ET
Brouwer in a second for the right price, but remember they knew before they traded Brouwer to the Capitals for the Danault first round pick that he wanted more than they wanted to pay long term due to the core dollars being set.

You think Brouwer wants to play for peanuts?

That would be the issue.
333inthe3rd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 02.04.2015

Aug 2 @ 12:35 PM ET
I think Skinner is better skater.
- wiz1901


My wife did some figure skating in her childhood. She will point out a figure skating technique whenever Skinner does one on the ice. He's pretty unique in this regard.
savvyone-1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I'm singing the Blues!, IL
Joined: 03.04.2011

Aug 2 @ 12:42 PM ET
My wife did some figure skating in her childhood. She will point out a figure skating technique whenever Skinner does one on the ice. He's pretty unique in this regard.
- 333inthe3rd


Are we talking pirouettes here?
Skated w/a guy that did them all the time. Finally caught up to him when he was doing one of his pirouettes playing w/the puck in our zone and blew out his knee after getting caught in a rut. Karma.

Called eagles for those of you that have also have experience rolling skating (the traditional ones with 4 wheels on each skate, not rollerblades). Really not the best thing to be doing on ice skates.
SoftServe
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 01.19.2016

Aug 2 @ 12:55 PM ET
The Flames have put Brouwer on unconditional waivers with the intention of buying him out.

Stan needs to right one of the Hawks biggest wrongs and bring Brouwer back into the fold. Stan should lock him up for a few years, do what it takes...long term deal, NTC/NMC...just get it done.


- DarthKane


What line would he play on?
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Aug 2 @ 12:56 PM ET
Are we talking pirouettes here?
Skated w/a guy that did them all the time. Finally caught up to him when he was doing one of his pirouettes playing w/the puck in our zone and blew out his knee after getting caught in a rut. Karma.

Called eagles for those of you that have also have experience rolling skating (the traditional ones with 4 wheels on each skate, not rollerblades). Really not the best thing to be doing on ice skates.

- savvyone-1


LMAO

Speaking of ruts.....for all you coaches if you are going to do drills on your sheet of ice where kids are skating around cones, or nets....please move them around throughout your practice. The men's leagues players of the world would greatly appreciate it.

Canlan is seeing a major problem with this. All these idiot coaches think they are the second coming of Mike Babcock out there, and most of these goofs play mens league and are the idiots who cause most of the problems. Very scary they are teaching any youth "how to play".
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Aug 2 @ 1:10 PM ET
What line would he play on?
- SoftServe



1st, with Toews. Top PP unit top.
SoftServe
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 01.19.2016

Aug 2 @ 1:24 PM ET
1st, with Toews. Top PP unit top.
- DarthKane


So since he was bought out. Any team can renegotiate a contract with him?
Hawks_49
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 04.28.2015

Aug 2 @ 1:25 PM ET
So since he was bought out. Any team can renegotiate a contract with him?
- SoftServe


Once his buyout is official he becomes an unrestricted free agent. I would bet he goes somewhere on a veteran minimum contract for one year and tries to play for one last longer term higher paying deal.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Aug 2 @ 1:27 PM ET
Are we talking pirouettes here?
Skated w/a guy that did them all the time. Finally caught up to him when he was doing one of his pirouettes playing w/the puck in our zone and blew out his knee after getting caught in a rut. Karma.

Called eagles for those of you that have also have experience rolling skating (the traditional ones with 4 wheels on each skate, not rollerblades). Really not the best thing to be doing on ice skates.

- savvyone-1


Nah, it's more his edge work. Guy can change directions faster than damn near anyone I've seen. Somehow he manages to pick up speed when making cuts on guys. He's also shockingly strong on his feet for being a smaller guy.
Return of the Roar
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Solidly grounded in reality, IL
Joined: 07.27.2009

Aug 2 @ 1:33 PM ET
The Flames have put Brouwer on unconditional waivers with the intention of buying him out.

Stan needs to right one of the Hawks biggest wrongs and bring Brouwer back into the fold. Stan should lock him up for a few years, do what it takes...long term deal, NTC/NMC...just get it done.


- DarthKane


How much is a former 40pt a year forward worth if he only puts up 22-25 per year today?

Played only 13-16 mins per game in the last two years as well.

At the right price.....maybe. What is that right price....1yr $1MM? I'd not offer more than that.
SoftServe
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 01.19.2016

Aug 2 @ 1:33 PM ET
Once his buyout is official he becomes an unrestricted free agent. I would bet he goes somewhere on a veteran minimum contract for one year and tries to play for one last longer term higher paying deal.
- Hawks_49


I know the carousel of ex Hawks is getting old. But I wouldn't mind bringing Troy back!
Hawks_49
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 04.28.2015

Aug 2 @ 1:41 PM ET
I know the carousel of ex Hawks is getting old. But I wouldn't mind bringing Troy back!
- SoftServe


I agree. Only on a dirt cheap deal and one year contract. He has lost a step, but he's still responsible and could fill a bottom line role
savvyone-1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I'm singing the Blues!, IL
Joined: 03.04.2011

Aug 2 @ 1:47 PM ET
LMAO

Speaking of ruts.....for all you coaches if you are going to do drills on your sheet of ice where kids are skating around cones, or nets....please move them around throughout your practice. The men's leagues players of the world would greatly appreciate it.

Canlan is seeing a major problem with this. All these idiot coaches think they are the second coming of Mike Babcock out there, and most of these goofs play mens league and are the idiots who cause most of the problems. Very scary they are teaching any youth "how to play".

- SteveRain


OMFG, we thought it was just the idiots in our league. We refused to skate on ice that we deemed far too dangerous -- incredibly, the other teams was "fine" with the ice and the refs said they couldn't blame us. The rink guy had to run the Zamboni 3 times over the center ice area, laid down about an inch of water over ruts that were just about down to the concrete.

Couldn't believe the rink/league would allow a game to happen -- essentially a lawsuit in waiting. None of us wanted to tempt fate since it was literally a ring around the center ice dot to each blue line. I mean, how could you avoid it???

Re my earlier post -- Ulf Dahlen ring a bell w/you?
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Aug 2 @ 1:47 PM ET
How much is a former 40pt a year forward worth if he only puts up 22-25 per year today?

Played only 13-16 mins per game in the last two years as well.

At the right price.....maybe. What is that right price....1yr $1MM? I'd not offer more than that.

- Return of the Roar


4 years X $4 million per year
savvyone-1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I'm singing the Blues!, IL
Joined: 03.04.2011

Aug 2 @ 1:49 PM ET
4 years X $4 million per year
- DarthKane

You forgot, with NMC/NTC for all 4 years.
Standard Blowman issue.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Aug 2 @ 1:49 PM ET
I agree. Only on a dirt cheap deal and one year contract. He has lost a step, but he's still responsible and could fill a bottom line role
- Hawks_49


He's was 8th among Flames Forwards in ice time last season and managed only 6 goals, 22 points.

Can't imagine that improves in a 4th line role. What good is there in paying for a 33 year old in a downward spiral to lace up for 9 minutes per night? Just throw a kid in there instead. At least the kid might surprise you.
glennjpawlak22
Joined: 11.26.2013

Aug 2 @ 1:53 PM ET
He's was 8th among Flames Forwards in ice time last season and managed only 6 goals, 22 points.

Can't imagine that improves in a 4th line role. What good is there in paying for a 33 year old in a downward spiral to lace up for 9 minutes per night? Just throw a kid in there instead. At least the kid might surprise you.

- BINGO!


If we were on the Cusp of a Cup run, maybe take that chance...otherwise hard pass. Develop the kids!!!
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