If the Astros jumped off a bridge, should the Jays do that too?
- Zezel

The Jays are the ones who jumped off the bridge because everybody else in this PR world has done exactly the same.

But off bridges they're fine.. The more likely to survive of the two, for sure.

Honestly i dont even know what the (frank) an Astro is. Like a dude in a spacesuit?
- Arctic_AARDVARK

George Jetson’s dog?

But off bridges they're fine.. The more likely to survive of the two, for sure.

Honestly i dont even know what the (frank) an Astro is. Like a dude in a spacesuit?
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I think it's gay guys.

The Jays are the ones who jumped off the bridge because everybody else in this PR world has done exactly the same.
- Unholy_Goalie

No, the Astros jumped off the bridge because the Eagles did with Michael Vick.

George Jetson’s dog?
- Steven_Seagull

Is that what google said?

I just agree with them now. Easy way to assure you always win arguments.

I think it's gay guys.
- Zezel

I'm almost certain this is true.

Is that what google said?

I just agree with them now. Easy way to assure you always win arguments.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

No, it’s me remembering watching The Jetsons, and knowing the dog’s name.

No, it’s me remembering watching The Jetsons, and knowing the dog’s name.
- Steven_Seagull

Okay, let me check google to confirm this.

Edit: It's true.


Great Dane

love those dogs.

Satisfying the mob might be why the world is a wee bit (frank)ed up right now, don't you think?

"The due diligence by our front office was unprecedented. We are confident that Osuna is remorseful, has wilfully complied with all consequences related to his past behaviour, has proactively engaged in counselling, and willfully comply with our zero tolerance policy related to abuse of any kind," Astros general manager Jeff Luhnow said.

If that's enough for the Astros to acquire Osuna, it should have been enough for the Jays to keep him.
- Unholy_Goalie

I guess you missed the part where I wasn't actually condoning all this.

I never said it was a wise choice to worry more about what the mob wants in the heat of the moment over this issue, rather than thinking logically about the future, whether he's actually guilty, what kind of asset he is to the team. Just that this seems to be what they are doing.

Okay, let me check googull to confirm this.

Edit: It's true.


Great Dane

love those dogs.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Fixed

Fixed
- Steven_Seagull

- Arctic_AARDVARK

I guess you missed the part where I wasn't actually condoning all this.

I never said it was a wise choice to worry more about what the mob wants in the heat of the moment over this issue, rather than thinking logically about the future, whether he's actually guilty, what kind of asset he is to the team. Just that this seems to be what they are doing.
- Thecakeisalie

I'm not saying you condoned it, I'm saying they're being stupid by going down that path.

Nobody knows what really happened and that's why the trial exists. It's the best tool we have to determine what did and didn't happen followed by an appropriate judgement. It's not perfect but it's the best we've got so far. It's the one the society runs by. If people are upset or offended by that, they can go vote and change it.

But innocent until proven guilty is what they should stand by. And this idea that if he played for the Jays again that the Jays "support domestic violence" is just dumb, which I was originally replying to. People make mistakes and he could have just as easily become an advocate for a good cause to help prevent people from making the same mistakes he did by staying with the team.

If it turns out he's guilty, he was suspended, he lost money, he lost respect and depending on the judge, he may lose freedom and have additional discipline to live with. Having him go around to every school in the GTA and telling kids to avoid making the same mistakes could have done the community just as much good as tossing him aside to appease the Twitter mob as a sacrifice to the PR Gods.

I'd rather the Jays taken that risk (attempt to redeem a promising young player with talent who may have made a mistake in his personal life) then the one they took with a bunch of spare parts and a PED user that they got in return to avoid the short term bad press.

I'm not saying you condoned it, I'm saying they're being stupid by going down that path.

Nobody knows what really happened and that's why the trial exists. It's the best tool we have to determine what did and didn't happen followed by an appropriate judgement. It's not perfect but it's the best we've got so far. It's the one the society runs by. If people are upset or offended by that, they can go vote and change it.

But innocent until proven guilty is what they should stand by. And this idea that if he played for the Jays again that the Jays "support domestic violence" is just dumb, which I was originally replying to. People make mistakes and he could have just as easily become an advocate for a good cause to help prevent people from making the same mistakes he did by staying with the team.

If it turns out he's guilty, he was suspended, he lost money, he lost respect and depending on the judge, he may lose freedom and have additional discipline to live with. Having him go around to every school in the GTA and telling kids to avoid making the same mistakes could have done the community just as much good as tossing him aside to appease the Twitter mob as a sacrifice to the PR Gods.

I'd rather the Jays taken that risk (attempt to redeem a promising young player with talent who may have made a mistake in his personal life) then the one they took with a bunch of spare parts and a PED user that they got in return to avoid the short term bad press.
- Unholy_Goalie

+1

I'm not saying you condoned it, I'm saying they're being stupid by going down that path.

Nobody knows what really happened and that's why the trial exists. It's the best tool we have to determine what did and didn't happen followed by an appropriate judgement. It's not perfect but it's the best we've got so far. It's the one the society runs by. If people are upset or offended by that, they can go vote and change it.

But innocent until proven guilty is what they should stand by. And this idea that if he played for the Jays again that the Jays "support domestic violence" is just dumb, which I was originally replying to. People make mistakes and he could have just as easily become an advocate for a good cause to help prevent people from making the same mistakes he did by staying with the team.

If it turns out he's guilty, he was suspended, he lost money, he lost respect and depending on the judge, he may lose freedom and have additional discipline to live with. Having him go around to every school in the GTA and telling kids to avoid making the same mistakes could have done the community just as much good as tossing him aside to appease the Twitter mob as a sacrifice to the PR Gods.

I'd rather the Jays taken that risk (attempt to redeem a promising young player with talent who may have made a mistake in his personal life) then the one they took with a bunch of spare parts and a PED user that they got in return to avoid the short term bad press.
- Unholy_Goalie

I agree

I'm not saying you condoned it, I'm saying they're being stupid by going down that path.

Nobody knows what really happened and that's why the trial exists. It's the best tool we have to determine what did and didn't happen followed by an appropriate judgement. It's not perfect but it's the best we've got so far. It's the one the society runs by. If people are upset or offended by that, they can go vote and change it.

But innocent until proven guilty is what they should stand by. And this idea that if he played for the Jays again that the Jays "support domestic violence" is just dumb, which I was originally replying to. People make mistakes and he could have just as easily become an advocate for a good cause to help prevent people from making the same mistakes he did by staying with the team.

If it turns out he's guilty, he was suspended, he lost money, he lost respect and depending on the judge, he may lose freedom and have additional discipline to live with. Having him go around to every school in the GTA and telling kids to avoid making the same mistakes could have done the community just as much good as tossing him aside to appease the Twitter mob as a sacrifice to the PR Gods.

I'd rather the Jays taken that risk (attempt to redeem a promising young player with talent who may have made a mistake in his personal life) then the one they took with a bunch of spare parts and a PED user that they got in return to avoid the short term bad press.
- Unholy_Goalie

Earlier in this same thread I was actually arguing about another situation and how people these days just don't wait for proof anymore before making judgement. I agree that it can lead to innocent people getting shafted.

It also makes sense to me to wait until the courts make their judgement.

The only situation I can see where they should go ahead and trade him is if they already think they know the whole story and that he's guilty. We simply don't know what they do. They might have very good reason to think he's guilty, and wanted to trade him before everything came to light and it was even harder to trade him.

And if he really is guilty and it really is that bad, I wouldn't want him on a team I was cheering for, let him go work night shift at a grocery store or Taco Bell for all I care. (frank) his redemption if he really did beat his wife. I guess I'm just not that forgiving.

Earlier in this same thread I was actually arguing about another situation and how people these days just don't wait for proof anymore before making judgement. I agree that it can lead to innocent people getting shafted.

It also makes sense to me to wait until the courts make their judgement.

The only situation I can see where they should go ahead and trade him is if they already think they know the whole story and that he's guilty. We simply don't know what they do. They might have very good reason to think he's guilty, and wanted to trade him before everything came to light and it was even harder to trade him.

And if he really is guilty and it really is that bad, I wouldn't want him on a team I was cheering for, let him go work night shift at a grocery store or Taco Bell for all I care. (frank) his redemption if he really did beat his wife. I guess I'm just not that forgiving.
- Thecakeisalie

Racist.

You must now resign or go to a different message board because I was offended.

Racist.

You must now resign or go to a different message board because I was offended.
- Unholy_Goalie

Fine. Burger King. Is the guy Mexican or something? I don't even follow baseball. All I know about this situation is what people on here have said.

Fine. Burger King. Is the guy Mexican or something? I don't even follow baseball. All I know about this situation is what people on here have said.
- Thecakeisalie

Literally Mexican.

But too late now, racists are pieces of poop who must be expelled forever and you are now a racist. Social justice has been executed.

Fine. Burger King. Is the guy Mexican or something? I don't even follow baseball. All I know about this situation is what people on here have said.
- Thecakeisalie

As for his job and me not wanting to cheer for a wife beater, well, having a high paying job in entertainment is not a right, it's a privilege. If someone is proven to be a piece of poop, then I don't see why I should have to support them while they get paid millions to play a sport they love. They can find some other job and lose themselves in obscurity.

Literally Mexican.

But too late now, racists are pieces of poop who must be expelled forever and you are now a racist. Social justice has been executed.
- Unholy_Goalie

Good thing I said grocery store first. All nationalities work night shift at grocery stores, right? I'm saved.

#Thecakelovesall
#butnotinaweirdsexualwayreally
#nowimjustmakingthisworse

As for his job and me not wanting to cheer for a wife beater, well, having a high paying job in entertainment is not a right, it's a privilege. If someone is proven to be a piece of poop, then I don't see why I should have to support them while they get paid millions to play a sport they love. They can find some other job and lose themselves in obscurity.
- Thecakeisalie

People make mistakes. It's odd, we're talking about a baseball player but you seem to have a 1 strike and you're out rule.

People make mistakes. It's odd, we're talking about a baseball player but you seem to have a 1 strike and you're out rule.
- Unholy_Goalie

There's a difference between giving people a second chance in society and wanting to continue cheering for them while watching them on T.V.

Now try to understand, I'm saying if someone is proven guilty, not just accused.
And it would have to be something pretty bad. But yeah, there are some things that if people did, I don't really want to cheer for them.

When it comes to sports stars, if we really love our team, we come to idolize the players. I don't think I could idolize someone that beat their wife. One reason why I'd have trouble ever cheering Voynov if he became a Leaf somehow. Maybe he's gotten help, but still, it'd be tough for me to cheer for such a guy.

There's a difference between giving people a second chance in society and wanting to continue cheering for them while watching them on T.V.

Now try to understand, I'm saying if someone is proven guilty, not just accused.
And it would have to be something pretty bad. But yeah, there are some things that if people did, I don't really want to cheer for them.
- Thecakeisalie

Why? If he can walk free, why can't he play a game and earn a living at something he's good at? Especially if he's doing something to correct his past behavior and help promote others don't make the same mistakes.

There's a difference between a person who does something once and doesn't do it ever again and a person who doesn't learn and continues to do it. You can idolize a player without that player being a perfect person.

When it comes to sports stars, if we really love our team, we come to idolize the players. I don't think I could idolize someone that beat their wife. One reason why I'd have trouble ever cheering Voynov if he became a Leaf somehow. Maybe he's gotten help, but still, it'd be tough for me to cheer for such a guy.
- Thecakeisalie

Depends if he's changed or not. Has he been beating his wife ever since or was it something that happened once, hasn't happened since and will never happen again? That one mistake defines him forever?