actually blue with white anchors.. no lie.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Dang it. We were so close to being a perfect match.

That is one of the dumbest sentiments imaginable. So now the Houston Astros are supporting domestic violence? The MLB allows him to play, so they must also support domestic violence. The province, state or country allows him to continue living free, so they must also support domestic violence. This idea holds zero water.
- Unholy_Goalie

On another team, the fans can have the redemption narrative with the player. The team he was with sending him back out there looks like they are condoning it. It's definitely a very real PR issue. And the Jays are a flaming death spiral right now with the public turning on them, they don't need those optics.

He must be one of those “fine people” Agent Orange talked about.


- Steven_Seagull

oh he was a very fine person, no doubt.

He actually had a vice reporter follow him around that day and she does a short doc on it.. The whole time i just wanted her to get away form those creeps..

"They remade Ghostbusters with women in it! It's not fair! I didn't get to have the Ghostbusters experience I wanted! Also because I'm not ten years old again, and I already saw Ghostbusters, but still, lock her up!"

I actually got hit on by a gay guy in line at Starbucks the other day (lol) and he did a pick-up artist technique neg on me. It was so (frank)ing weird. All that poop is (frank)ed in the head.
- Zezel

Never bothered to watch the movie, but then I haven't seen many lately. But I heard terrible things about it man. Terrible things.

I've been hit on by other guys lots of times. I just think of it as being hit on by a girl I find really unattractive. Kinda flattering, and I put them down gently.

Hell, once I got propositioned to join a 3 some with a guy and his wife. Had no idea he was even into that sort of thing until that drunken conversation.

On another team, the fans can have the redemption narrative with the player. The team he was with sending him back out there looks like they are condoning it. It's definitely a very real PR issue. And the Jays are a flaming death spiral right now with the public turning on them, they don't need those optics.
- Zezel

Exactly, plus I think it was Atkins that said Osuna wouldn't pitch as a Blue Jay. Dude had to go.

It's because of this shirt I bought at H & M. Every time I wear it, gay guys come at me like they're walkers and I'm Rick. I think I accidentally bought a secret gay code shirt or something. Can't go to the bathroom in a bar with that shirt on, that's out of the question.
- Zezel

Stop going to gay bars.

On another team, the fans can have the redemption narrative with the player. The team he was with sending him back out there looks like they are condoning it. It's definitely a very real PR issue. And the Jays are a flaming death spiral right now with the public turning on them, they don't need those optics.
- Zezel

He can't redeem himself with the Jays? That's ridiculous.

(frank) PR. The PR department dictates too much in this ass backwards world. It's innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent. This is a fundamental pillar of Western civilization. He was suspended, he lost a lot of money and if he is convicted, he'll receive a punishment outside of baseball too.

Never bothered to watch the movie, but then I haven't seen many lately. But I heard terrible things about it man. Terrible things.

I've been hit on by other guys lots of times. I just think of it as being hit on by a girl I find really unattractive. Kinda flattering, and I put them down gently.

Hell, once I got propositioned to join a 3 some with a guy and his wife. Had no idea he was even into that sort of thing until that drunken conversation.
- Thecakeisalie

I saw the chick Ghostbusters. It had some good performances in it, but it's like all these Member Berry movies, it's just a retread of some old movie. I barely remember it.

The gay guys hitting on me lately is just frustrating, because I'm single and all these gay guys are hitting on me and I wish they were women, or William Nylander and they're not. And when men hit on me in a sports bar, I'm like why are you wasting your time here, if I was gay I would be at a gay bar. It's gay guys that don't want to openly go to boytown, so they're barking up the wrong tree. I always feel sorry for women when I experience that, men are really annoying.

He can't redeem himself with the Jays? That's ridiculous.

(frank) PR. The PR department dictates too much in this ass backwards world. It's innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent. This is a fundamental pillar of Western civilization. He was suspended, he lost a lot of money and if he is convicted, he'll receive a punishment outside of baseball too.
- Unholy_Goalie

They obviously have a pretty good idea of what went down man. They know it's not going to look good. And it's not innocent until proven guilty in business, especially public entertainment, it's the way it is.

They obviously have a pretty good idea of what went down man. They know it's not going to look good. And it's not innocent until proven guilty in business, especially public entertainment, it's the way it is.
- Zezel

Until the trial happens, they haven't got a clue what did and didn't happen nor do they know what the punishment is or should be.

And again, Houston and the MLB is allowing him to play. There's no difference in this idea that "if the Jays keep him, they support domestic violence" but if he plays somewhere else, everything will be alright. It's bullpoop. Pure, bullpoop.

I saw the chick Ghostbusters. It had some good performances in it, but it's like all these Member Berry movies, it's just a retread of some old movie. I barely remember it.
- Zezel

Yeah, I usually just feel vaguely annoyed and disappointed by Hollywood when we get another remake of a show or movie. It's like, what, couldn't anyone think of any new ideas?

The gay guys hitting on me lately is just frustrating, because I'm single and all these gay guys are hitting on me and I wish they were women, or William Nylander and they're not. And when men hit on me in a sports bar, I'm like why are you wasting your time here, if I was gay I would be at a gay bar. It's gay guys that don't want to openly go to boytown, so they're barking up the wrong tree. I always feel sorry for women when I experience that, men are really annoying.
- Zezel

You must look either effeminate, or really masculine. If you don't have a beard, grow one. If you do, shave it. Problem solved!

And what are you doing looking for girls at a sports bar dude? Haven't you heard? Applebees is the place these days!

Yeah, I usually just feel vaguely annoyed and disappointed by Hollywood when we get another remake of a show or movie. It's like, what, couldn't anyone think of any new ideas?



You must look either effeminate, or really masculine. If you don't have a beard, grow one. If you do, shave it. Problem solved!

And what are you doing looking for girls at a sports bar dude? Haven't you heard? Applebees is the place these days!
- Thecakeisalie

Ha ha ha.

I'm not even looking for girls at a sports bar. One night I was there just trying to eat a burger and watch tv, wanting to be left alone. I'm gonna just have to start telling people look, no offense, but (frank) off.

Ha ha ha.

I'm not even looking for girls at a sports bar. One night I was there just trying to eat a burger and watch tv, wanting to be left alone. I'm gonna just have to start telling people look, no offense, but (frank) off.
- Zezel

Throw your drink in his face.

Until the trial happens, they haven't got a clue what did and didn't happen nor do they know what the punishment is or should be.

And again, Houston and the MLB is allowing him to play. There's no difference in this idea that "if the Jays keep him, they support domestic violence" but if he plays somewhere else, everything will be alright. It's bullpoop. Pure, bullpoop.
- Unholy_Goalie

They know what went down man, come on.

Sending him out there again would be brutal, whether you like it or not, it's reality.

Throw your drink in his face.
- Steven_Seagull

Don't forget to call him a disgusting pig.

Damn men, always objectifying poor Zezels.

They know what went down man, come on.

Sending him out there again would be brutal, whether you like it or not, it's reality.
- Zezel

Should just skip every trial in the court system then. Just jump straight to the conclusion behind the logic of "we know what happened, man, come on".

Don't forget to call him a disgusting pig.
- Thecakeisalie

Should just skip every trial in the court system then. Just jump straight to the conclusion behind the logic of "we know what happened, man, come on".
- Unholy_Goalie

Unlike the court, they can decide he is guilty without needing to do a whole trial and believe beyond a reasonable doubt. They also don't need to worry about things like unadmissible evidence or hearsay. If they are certain he's guilty for various reasons, it's not like they're going to publicize all their proof for that conclusion when arranging the trade to make us all feel good about it.

At the same time, if they really don't have strong evidence to believe he's guilty, then I'd also agree they should wait for the verdict. Unless of course, they fear he'll be guilty and then he'll be harder to trade for any useful assets...

Should just skip every trial in the court system then. Just jump straight to the conclusion behind the logic of "we know what happened, man, come on".
- Unholy_Goalie

Yes, because I said they should skip the trial.

They Jays very likely have a strong sense of what happened, and they don't like it as part of their business. It's a private business decision, not a justice system issue. They traded him and he can continue working, so it's not an employment issue. Legal rights and business decisions about toxic PR are two separate things.

Yes, because I said they should skip the trial.

They Jays very likely have a strong sense of what happened, and they don't like it as part of their business. It's a private business decision, not a justice system issue. They traded him and he can continue working, so it's not an employment issue. Legal rights and business decisions about toxic PR are two separate things.
- Zezel

You can bet that if AM had domestic assault investigation against him the Leafs would look to cut bait. Patrick Kane is lucky to have survived after his assualts..

Unlike the court, they can decide he is guilty without needing to do a whole trial and believe beyond a reasonable doubt. They also don't need to worry about things like unadmissible evidence or hearsay. If they are certain he's guilty for various reasons, it's not like they're going to publicize all their proof for that conclusion when arranging the trade to make us all feel good about it.

At the same time, if they really don't have strong evidence to believe he's guilty, then I'd also agree they should wait for the verdict. Unless of course, they fear he'll be guilty and then he'll be harder to trade for any useful assets...
- Thecakeisalie

And by doing so are saying they know better than the system that the entire country and society is governed by which is either wrong or hypocritical. The reason why the court system and the law exists is to protect people in this exact situation. With no conviction, they suspended him and cost him millions of dollars. This isn't a case of a guy getting away with zero punishment. He's been punished even without proving he's guilty yet. Add to that a possible conviction and there's another punishment outside of baseball.

But all of that is besides the point. The original point is that if he plays for the Jays again, "they support domestic violence" but if he plays in the MLB again for a different team, then everything is just fine. It's ridiculous. If he can play again in Houston and "redeem" himself, he can do the same in Toronto. And that's all ASSUMING he's actually guilty of whatever they say and prove he did.

Due process. It matters. And when people, organizations etc. pretend like it doesn't, it's a giant joke on the system which turns accusations into executions.

You can bet that if AM had domestic assault investigation against him the Leafs would look to cut bait. Patrick Kane is lucky to have survived after his assualts..
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Actually the Blackhawks are lucky because he helped them win 3 Stanley Cups and pulled a team from the brink of bankruptcy to respectability as a franchise.

And by doing so are saying they know better than the system that the entire country and society is governed by which is either wrong or hypocritical. The reason why the court system and the law exists is to protect people in this exact situation. With no conviction, they suspended him and cost him millions of dollars. This isn't a case of a guy getting away with zero punishment. He's been punished even without proving he's guilty yet. Add to that a possible conviction and there's another punishment outside of baseball.

But all of that is besides the point. The original point is that if he plays for the Jays again, "they support domestic violence" but if he plays in the MLB again for a different team, then everything is just fine. It's ridiculous. If he can play again in Houston and "redeem" himself, he can do the same in Toronto. And that's all ASSUMING he's actually guilty of whatever they say and prove he did.

Due process. It matters. And when people, organizations etc. pretend like it doesn't, it's a giant joke on the system which turns accusations into executions.
- Unholy_Goalie

Fans in Toronto had an emotional bond with him. He broke that. people have feelings, and are tribal. He can go to a different tribe and restart his career and rebuild his reputation.

You can bet that if AM had domestic assault investigation against him the Leafs would look to cut bait. Patrick Kane is lucky to have survived after his assualts..
- Arctic_AARDVARK

It might be a bit different because an AM is way, way more valuable than a closing pitcher, even a good one. But yeah, obviously companies don't want their brand associated with that kind of thing, especially public entertainment where a lot of the customers are families and kids. It's pretty basic PR management.

Yes, because I said they should skip the trial.

They Jays very likely have a strong sense of what happened, and they don't like it as part of their business. It's a private business decision, not a justice system issue. They traded him and he can continue working, so it's not an employment issue. Legal rights and business decisions about toxic PR are two separate things.
- Zezel

That's basically what the Jays did in trading him for fear of the "PR optics". Still doesn't mean that the Jays "support domestic violence" by letting him play again, especially if he hasn't been convicted of anything yet either.

The Jays weren't there when it happened, just like nobody else except the parties involved. That's why trials exist.