I'd hate to give up Bennett as well, but getting Tkachuk & shedding Stone's contract/roster space could be worth it. Honestly, if I was Dorian I would be looking at a deal like this:

-Nobody is going to be giving the Sens a break--they're probably going to get screwed over in the trade market.

-Bringing Stone in would be a nice distraction while he is trying to trade Karlsson.

-Bennett plays with an edge and could actually be a good (Turris like) gamble for Dorian to make. Tkachuk is far from a sure thing, and it doesn't look like he is ready to make a (significant) impact at the NHL level.

Gaudreau [X] Monahan [X] Neal [X]
Tkachuk [X]. Backlund [X]. Lindholm [X].
Bennett [X]. Jankowski [X]. Frolik [X]
Mangiapane [ ]. Ryan [X]. Dube [ ]

13th forward Hathaway[X]
14th forward Brouwer [ ]
15 Lomberg
16 Phillips

Giordano [X] Brodie [X]
Hanifin [X]. Hamonic [X]
Kulak [ ] Stone [X]
7th D Prout [ ]
8th Rass

Edited in how I’d like to see it. Dube looks great. Prout and Brouwer can eat popcorn and practice with the team. Ryan can take faceoffs then cycle to the wing and let Dube play down the middle.

I like(d) Dougie and I hope he has a good career, but is anyone else interested to see if it is really Giordano (and Chara at the start) that allowed Dougie to play his game effectively?

Remember year 1? People were panicking/thinking we picked up a bust until we put him on Gio's right side (and he wasn't removed from Gio's side after that no matter how much we struggled).


I guess if Hamilton struggles & Brodie rebounds this year we will have our answer

I'd hate to give up Bennett as well, but getting Tkachuk & shedding Stone's contract/roster space could be worth it. Honestly, if I was Dorian I would be looking at a deal like this:

-Nobody is going to be giving the Sens a break--they're probably going to get screwed over in the trade market.

-Bringing Stone in would be a nice distraction while he is trying to trade Karlsson.

-Bennett plays with an edge and could actually be a good (Turris like) gamble for Dorian to make. Tkachuk is far from a sure thing, and it doesn't look like he is ready to make a (significant) impact at the NHL level.
- Saskabush

I was actually thinking Bennett & Stone would have been enough. Would hate to give up Bennett but to get Brady, I would be willing to do it.
- Kevin R

Hate to be that guy buuuuut that deal sounds incredibly 1-sided. Stone is a 3rd pairing guy (and some nights barely that). Same goes for Bennett - he hasn't proved to be anything more than a 3rd line player in a league he's played 3 seasons already. While still possible he hits that potential, I don't see the Sens gambling their only future piece that brings any optimism to the fanbase for two mediocre players...

Hate to be that guy buuuuut that deal sounds incredibly 1-sided. Stone is a 3rd pairing guy (and some nights barely that). Same goes for Bennett - he hasn't proved to be anything more than a 3rd line player in a league he's played 3 seasons already. While still possible he hits that potential, I don't see the Sens gambling their only future piece that brings any optimism to the fanbase for two mediocre players...
- LittleBroDougie

Thats why I threw in Kylington as well, still one sided. Hate to kick a fan base when they are down, but after the several hard kicks that they have had to the groin this summer not sure that another one would make things much worse.

Thats why I threw in Kylington as well, still one sided. Hate to kick a fan base when they are down, but after the several hard kicks that they have had to the groin this summer not sure that another one would make things much worse.


- DuranDuran

Meh let’s just sign him at the cost of zero assets in 4 years.

Hate to be that guy buuuuut that deal sounds incredibly 1-sided. Stone is a 3rd pairing guy (and some nights barely that). Same goes for Bennett - he hasn't proved to be anything more than a 3rd line player in a league he's played 3 seasons already. While still possible he hits that potential, I don't see the Sens gambling their only future piece that brings any optimism to the fanbase for two mediocre players...
- LittleBroDougie

Bennett & Turris stats are very very similar prior to Turris being traded to Ottawa, in fact one could say Bennett has had better numbers than Turris in his first 3 years. Brady hasnt played a game yet, so you are buying potential even more than you are on Bennett. Also, look at the low value we got for Fox, thats the problem when you draft US college players so you have to be darn sure when you draft them. Adding Kylington really tllts the deal more for Ottawa. I think that is a pretty reasonable offer.

Hate to be that guy buuuuut that deal sounds incredibly 1-sided. Stone is a 3rd pairing guy (and some nights barely that). Same goes for Bennett - he hasn't proved to be anything more than a 3rd line player in a league he's played 3 seasons already. While still possible he hits that potential, I don't see the Sens gambling their only future piece that brings any optimism to the fanbase for two mediocre players...
- LittleBroDougie

-Stone's perceived value is that of a borderline top 4 dman or a solid #5. From a PR perspective he is worth way more than that to Ottawa IMO.

-I think you are underestimating the amount of pressure Melnyk will be putting on Dorian to fix this. When the most famous player in franchise history publicly states that he hopes the team finds a new owner--there are significant problems that need to be addressed.

That would just be the starting point for the trade, but I wouldn't really give them much more. The point is to try and take advantage of a poor situation. We've had that happen to us on multiple occasions with high profile players (Gilmour & Phaneuf)--it's time for us to rake a team over the coals and take advantage!

Plus, Dorian owes us some karma for the Lazar trade!

Jarome you heathen!
And for the record its Jarome Arthur-Leigh Adekunle Tig Junior Elvis Iginla
- geta02it

Auto correct?
Fun fact: Jarome was the last active player to play and score against the much loved Whalers.
That is of course if Jagr never plays another shift in the NHL.
PS. Austin Czarnik will be a great fit in Calgary.

Meh let’s just sign him at the cost of zero assets in 4 years.
- fry

Tkachuk will NOT be spending 4 years in the NCAA. The players that go this route almost always needed that extra year or 2 of college hockey before they could make the jump to pro anyway.

Tkachuk is arguably NHL ready this year, there's no way he continues playing college hockey once he outgrows the competition level.

He will most likely go back for 1 more year of NCAA and sign his ELC with whatever team has his rights next year (unless Ottawa convinces him that signing with them this year is a good idea both personally and professionally).

Odds are that he will be signing in Ottawa next year, but you never know.

Auto correct?
Fun fact: Jarome was the last active player to play and score against the much loved Whalers.
That is of course if Jagr never plays another shift in the NHL.
PS. Austin Czarnik will be a great fit in Calgary.
- shoreorrpark

What can you expect from the guy? Much of a playmaker?

Bennett & Turris stats are very very similar prior to Turris being traded to Ottawa, in fact one could say Bennett has had better numbers than Turris in his first 3 years. Brady hasnt played a game yet, so you are buying potential even more than you are on Bennett. Also, look at the low value we got for Fox, thats the problem when you draft US college players so you have to be darn sure when you draft them. Adding Kylington really tllts the deal more for Ottawa. I think that is a pretty reasonable offer.
- Kevin R

I'm just saying, if roles were reversed, would you honestly accept that deal? If I were a sens fan, I'm not happy dealing our most prized prospect for another team's 3rd line D-man, 3rd best defensive prospect and a reclamation project hoping he turns into another Turris. He was an anomaly compared to your average early round busts.

-Stone's perceived value is that of a borderline top 4 dman or a solid #5. From a PR perspective he is worth way more than that to Ottawa IMO.

-I think you are underestimating the amount of pressure Melnyk will be putting on Dorian to fix this. When the most famous player in franchise history publicly states that he hopes the team finds a new owner--there are significant problems that need to be addressed.

That would just be the starting point for the trade, but I wouldn't really give them much more. The point is to try and take advantage of a poor situation. We've had that happen to us on multiple occasions with high profile players (Gilmour & Phaneuf)--it's time for us to rake a team over the coals and take advantage!

Plus, Dorian owes us some karma for the Lazar trade!
- Saskabush

I agree with most but not the first point... After this last year, his perceived value would've dropped with his struggling point totals and relative corsi on a high possession team. Not to mention teams will know we're pressed against the cap.

Dorion would be instantly fired if he traded the top prospect for another team's spare parts, whether they pan out or not.

I still cringe at the lazar trade

Nobody won the Lazar trade.

I'm just saying, if roles were reversed, would you honestly accept that deal? If I were a sens fan, I'm not happy dealing our most prized prospect for another team's 3rd line D-man, 3rd best defensive prospect and a reclamation project hoping he turns into another Turris. He was an anomaly compared to your average early round busts.
- LittleBroDougie

Bennett was drafted 4th overall just as Tkachuk was
He's still a prospect and may never amount to anything either...in fact Bennett was more touted than Tkachuk in his draft year, his stock only fell after the chin-up debacle

I wouldn't be giving up so much just to re-unite Tkachuk brothers, and maybe Ottawa feels the same about reuniting the Stone brothers...so more than likely nothing changes, each team keeps their 4th overall picks and we can stay happy that our player is further in his development and might reach his potential sooner

Nobody won the Lazar trade.
- BINGO!

He is going to be the nicest guy in the KHL.

What can you expect from the guy? Much of a playmaker?
- DuranDuran

I liked him a lot.
Sneaky good.
Above average distribution skills.
Little bit of finish.
Lots of upside.

I liked him a lot.
Sneaky good.
Above average distribution skills.
Little bit of finish.
Lots of upside.
- shoreorrpark

Yeah that might be the best pick-up they made.

Nobody won the Lazar trade.
- BINGO!

Ottawa definitely had the upper hand - Fermenton just doesn't seem like a good player to choose at that spot though.

Bennett was drafted 4th overall just as Tkachuk was
He's still a prospect and may never amount to anything either...in fact Bennett was more touted than Tkachuk in his draft year, his stock only fell after the chin-up debacle

I wouldn't be giving up so much just to re-unite Tkachuk brothers, and maybe Ottawa feels the same about reuniting the Stone brothers...so more than likely nothing changes, each team keeps their 4th overall picks and we can stay happy that our player is further in his development and might reach his potential sooner
- cpltanto

I agree that there won't be a trade. I don't believe that Bennett will be a top-6 player unfortunately though... Especially not considering he'd have to pass JG, SM, MT, MB, JN, and EL. I really do hope he finds that potential but I just don't see it happening at this point. I think 40-50 pts is what he could average in a good season.

Ok that wast the one I was thinking about, I think Glass had a tilt with Kassian last year as well & cut him on the head as well.

Sooooo, who are we trading to Ottawa for Brady Tkachuk. I can see the smoke signals now saying get me out of here.
- Kevin R

If I'm Dorion, and have a strong sense Tkachuk isn't signing, I'm talking to Colorado about re-acquiring their own 1st for next year before talking to anyone about roster players

Bennett was drafted 4th overall just as Tkachuk was
He's still a prospect and may never amount to anything either...in fact Bennett was more touted than Tkachuk in his draft year, his stock only fell after the chin-up debacle

I wouldn't be giving up so much just to re-unite Tkachuk brothers, and maybe Ottawa feels the same about reuniting the Stone brothers...so more than likely nothing changes, each team keeps their 4th overall picks and we can stay happy that our player is further in his development and might reach his potential sooner
- cpltanto

Tkachuk's lack of production is alarming when you consider the kind of game he plays and the powerhouse team he was on.

Not really sure why anyone thinks Tkachuk will get traded. He said in May that he was going back to school in the fall. There's about a 99.9% chance that he plays one more year in college then signs with the Senators.

Tkachuk's lack of production is alarming when you consider the kind of game he plays and the powerhouse team he was on.
- BINGO!

He had 4 points in his first 10 games. After that he was point a game.

Pair that with him playing behind Greenway on both the 1st line and the powerplay and things start making sense.

He had 4 points in his first 10 games. After that he was point a game.

Pair that with him playing behind Greenway on both the 1st line and the powerplay and things start making sense.
- fry

He scored 8 goals in 40 games. His 5'7 teammate (Both at WJC and Boston) Patrick Harper managed that in just 20 games.

He's a notable player for sure, but I don't think I'd have taken him in the top 5 of this draft.