In three of his last four years he's producing like a low level fourth liner at even-strength.

How many crayons do you eat each day?
- Feds91Stammer

Im down to half a pack

Im down to half a pack
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Please learn the difference between over rated and over paid....it took me a while to figure out why this article was 90% wrong...then it hit me the writer didnt know what he was writing about.

Most guts on these lists are not over rated. There not even rated

I wouldn't build an entire team with Patric Hornqvist clones. But I sure as hell want one on my team.

I wouldn't build an entire team with Patric Hornqvist clones. But I sure as hell want one on my team.
- Thunderbolt

But dude, shot attempts for vs. against when he and 9 other skaters are on the ice.

Ryan Wilson’s obsession with Jordan Staal hasn’t faded I see

The majority of this list is couple of years too late.

It has to be at least 3 years that anyone has even thought about Zajac, Staal, Clutterbuck or Orpik in a positive way. Orpik just signed for 1 million to be the 7th defensemen, I don't think anyone is overrating him.

The majority of this list is couple of years too late.

It has to be at least 3 years that anyone has even thought about Zajac, Staal, Clutterbuck or Orpik in a positive way. Orpik just signed for 1 million to be the 7th defensemen, I don't think anyone is overrating him.
- VT001

He overrated them based on the fancy stats community. Those guys sit around and talk about Cal Clutterbuck and Matt Martin a lot I would think.

I wouldn't build an entire team with Patric Hornqvist clones. But I sure as hell want one on my team.
- Thunderbolt

Hornqvist best attribute is in a deep playoff game where it’s a poop show wacking away at pucks in front is usually the game breaker. Same with a snoozer in February.

Hornqvist best attribute is in a deep playoff game where it’s a poop show wacking away at pucks in front is usually the game breaker. Same with a snoozer in February.
- Grinder47

I value Patric Hörnqvist. I don't care if he's not the fastest guy or dangles as long as he just creates havoc in front of the net just like Hölmström used to for the Red Wings.

I also value Hagelin's hustle and speed even though he's overpaid by at least $1.5M.

Yes, exactly. Not many people sit there and watch Red Wings games because we have our own fan loyalties. So when most people hear "Kronwall" they think of his big hits.
- jmatchett383

Then your evaluation of him doesnt hold much ground. Kronwall did alot of things right in the Wings glorydays, both offense and defense. Now a days, not so much..

His hits where scary but mostly legal, atleast before the new rules. It just added another dimension to his gamez

So Horny plays with Sid & Geno so discount his goals as it's an easy gig.

Sheary plays with who? But his goals count more?

Sheary
79 18 12 30 toi 13:57 (EV goals 16)

Horny
70 29 20 49 toi 17:19 (EV goals 14)

Sheary
Points Involving Sid 11 (either assists or goals that involve both players)

Horny
Points involving Sid 14 (either assists or goals that involve both players)

Sheary (as above but with Geno)
Geno 1

Horny
Geno 33.

I commented 2 seasons ago about the relevance of Horny playing with Geno, the above is just more data supporting my opinion Horny relies on Geno for a lot of his points, & if he can score then great.

So little darling Sheary plays 9 more games & scores 2 more EV goals??

If net front is so easy, why doesn't Sheary do it, play on pp1 & score more goals?

I can't see the point of the narrative looking at the above information. Now someone might throw a maths formulae into it & produce totals that favour Sheary (which is what Ryan has probably done ), but real totals > formulae totals because games aren't decided by kids doing maths out in the back room of the stands!

Please learn the difference between over rated and over paid....it took me a while to figure out why this article was 90% wrong...then it hit me the writer didnt know what he was writing about.

Most guts on these lists are not over rated. There not even rated
- Flexingtheshaft

That's because the blood is overrated. But together they're like 2 peas in a pod.

It's a common theme In this series, players are either just over paid which is fine in my opinion if they are on other teams , or the players aren't rated by their own fans hence can't be 'overrated'. Girard being 1 example as I doubt any fan overrates him.

What difference does that make? Do even strength points count more than power play points?
- madmike71

So Horny getting 14 PP goals is a real achievement if they argue most NHL games are at even strength.

No but production is more valuable at 5v5 since it is more difficult than PP situations.
- Feds91Stammer

That is a completely false statement.

So, NAH!

That is a completely false statement.

So, NAH!
- Aussiepenguin

So the difficulty to score at 5on5 vs. 5on4 is equal?

Damn and here I thought playing with a Power Play was called a man advantage.

(frank), you're a retard.

ZAR may do it, but it really isn't anywhere near as effective as Horny. Horny is absolutely the best player in the league at what he does, which is basically cause a comotion in front of the net without the puck and then "bulldoging" the puck into the net. Does he have alot of skill meh not a lot, but he is irreplaceable with anyother player in the league in the other respects. I actually think he is quite under-rated.
- joecool2931

A few of Hornys goals late in the season showed ability with the puck where he was taking on defenders & beating them with the puck on his stick. So he has ability, he is probably just told by the Sully to go to the net & clean up where & when you can.

So the difficulty to score at 5on5 vs. 5on4 is equal?

Damn and here I thought playing with a Power Play was called a man advantage.

(frank), you're a retard.
- j.boyd919

Ok, then a couple of things.

If it was such an 'advantage', why aren't more goals scored with having that 'advantage'? Retard!

Having this great advantage would surely mean that on a 'majority' of occasions having said advantage, you would score? Yes or no?

So a team having a 30% scoring rate with the man advantage (which is good in the NHL isn't it?), that would be considered a minority wouldn't it? Less than 50% is considered under half hence not a majority but a MINORITY. Why are teams going games with zero goals on the PP if it's so easy? Why do teams 'normally' score at rates of LESS THAN 50% if it's easier to score on PP?

Players on the penalty kill are more (decidedly more), inclined to defend. So even with a man down, the team is more focused on defence making harder for the attacking team to score. The opposite could be said for the team on the power play.

If Bryan Rust plays on the 4th line which he did this season, is it easier for him (as an example), to score against the opposing teams 4th line & 3rd pairing D? Or on the 2nd PP playing against players focused on defence?

I'll happily discuss this & await for your reply. Love to see the stats on the PP % if what you say is correct - unless youre saying even though it's easier the stats won't show that it is. Or it will be your standard 'nah' response because you cannot reply intelligently after calling someone you don't know a retard. I think you're a complete (frank)wit but I won't go & say that.

So, who is the wienerhead now eh (spoken in true South African accent).

So the difficulty to score at 5on5 vs. 5on4 is equal?

Damn and here I thought playing with a Power Play was called a man advantage.

(frank), you're a retard.
- j.boyd919

He forms his opinions by interpreting box scores. What do you expect?

Was sheary on the overrated list for buffalo...doubtful. Sheary is a 100 times more overrated than hornie. If you are gonna use them to compare notes from, that's a dropped ball bigtime.

If you want to be real about the most overrated penguin...its Matt Murray.

He forms his opinions by interpreting box scores. What do you expect?
- Rinosaur

I'm feeling generous. So although your hockey iq is proven to be low by all the abuse you get throughout the threads, you can have a go & reply to my points above.

Try & stay on topic.

I'm feeling generous. So although your hockey iq is proven to be low by all the abuse you get throughout the threads, you can have a go & reply to my points above.

Try & stay on topic.
- Aussiepenguin

Does anyone ever really know what you're talking about?

Ok, then a couple of things.

If it was such an 'advantage', why aren't more goals scored with having that 'advantage'? Retard!

Having this great advantage would surely mean that on a 'majority' of occasions having said advantage, you would score? Yes or no?

So a team having a 30% scoring rate with the man advantage (which is good in the NHL isn't it?), that would be considered a minority wouldn't it? Less than 50% is considered under half hence not a majority but a MINORITY. Why are teams going games with zero goals on the PP if it's so easy? Why do teams 'normally' score at rates of LESS THAN 50% if it's easier to score on PP?

Players on the penalty kill are more (decidedly more), inclined to defend. So even with a man down, the team is more focused on defence making harder for the attacking team to score. The opposite could be said for the team on the power play.

If Bryan Rust plays on the 4th line which he did this season, is it easier for him (as an example), to score against the opposing teams 4th line & 3rd pairing D? Or on the 2nd PP playing against players focused on defence?

I'll happily discuss this & await for your reply. Love to see the stats on the PP % if what you say is correct - unless youre saying even though it's easier the stats won't show that it is. Or it will be your standard 'nah' response because you cannot reply intelligently after calling someone you don't know a retard. I think you're a complete (frank)wit but I won't go & say that.

So, who is the wienerhead now eh (spoken in true South African accent).
- Aussiepenguin

There are.

5v5 - 2.39 goals per 60 minutes of 5v5 time across the NHL

5v4 - 6.9 goals per 60 minutes of 5v4 time across the NHL

In your first sentence your stupidity discredits the rest of the post that I didn't bother reading.

Was sheary on the overrated list for buffalo...doubtful. Sheary is a 100 times more overrated than hornie. If you are gonna use them to compare notes from, that's a dropped ball bigtime.

If you want to be real about the most overrated penguin...its Matt Murray.
- taleisyreXIII

Risto is 100x more overrated than Sheary.

There are.

5v5 - 2.39 goals per 60 minutes of 5v5 time across the NHL

5v4 - 6.9 goals per 60 minutes of 5v4 time across the NHL

In your first sentence your stupidity discredits the rest of the post that I didn't bother reading.
- j.boyd919

Didn't know you could score .39 of a goal. Try again by answering why PP % aren't a majority if the 'advantage' is so great.

It's a futile effort. The only person here that is retarded is you.

So (frank) off!