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Jul 26 @ 4:44 PM ET
Yees!! Yes!!!!
JvR makes the team better!!
Schenn also would have made the tram better the past season. All I’m saying. The deal was fine but it looks better now that you sign JvR to Matt the team better.
My point has always remained the same in this argument. - SuperSchennBros
So why sign JvR at all after increasing production? Excuse me as I use the words “survived one season without Schenn” very loosely but as you stated, the Flyers increased production without Schenn but added JvR, which begs the question. Would the Flyers have been better with Schenn last season. I think the answer is a clear Yes because we just signed JvR even if we didn’t need it! - SuperSchennBros
Well no poop they would have been better with Schenn last season but I'd take JVR and having Frost and Farabee in the pipeline over having just Schenn any day.
You act as if Schenn is some irreplaceable player when he is replaceable. Don't get me wrong, he's a very good player but the fit wasn't there with the Flyers especially with the way he was moved around the lineup. A change of scenery clearly did him well.
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Jul 26 @ 4:47 PM ET
Right...but I don't see that as "replacing" any one particular player. If anything, they replaced Schenn last year by making Giroux a LW, and then replace Giroux at center with Patrick.
Yes, they would have been a better team in the present with Schenn in the mix. I doubt many people will argue that. But just because they brought in a top-6 LW more than a full calendar year after Schenn was traded does not mean that they got JvR solely to "replace" Schenn. - jmatchett383
That can be your opinion, but the team clearly was better without him already. Can't prove something that is hypothetical, someone could easily say the complete opposite too like the Flyers would of been worse if they never traded Schenn. How do you prove that?
The fact is the Flyers were a better team without him then with him.
When I was a STH, we won a free trip to Pittsburgh (plane/hotel/tix free) for a Flyers/Pens game. We went out to lunch and I was in my Flyers jersey, she was in her Pens jersey, and Doc Emrick happened to be in the same place. He walked by our table and asked us how much longer we expected to be together.
Also, if he had the ability to add a guy like JvR and passed, certain people on this site would criticize his lack of FA acumen. - jmatchett383
It was a no brainer. They now have the potential to ice 3 lines that can score, rather than 2 like last year. When your goaltending is average at best, and you only have one quality shutdown Dman, it makes sense to do whatever you can to increase offensive production. Between JVR, Giroux, Simmonds, Jake, Patrick, Coots and TK, the team now has 7 players that all should score at least 20 goals, many should hit 25 and a couple could score 30. Add to that Lindblom, Laughton, Provorov and Ghost and you have 4 more who could all score in the 12-17 range. You still win by scoring more goals than the other team last time I checked.
And one last thing. The Flyers with Brayden Schenn in 16-17 missed the playoffs, but without him in 17-18, they qualified. The Blues? That would be the opposite. Made the dance without him in 16-17 and missed with him in 17-18. Facts, gotta love em!
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Jul 26 @ 4:50 PM ET
Right...but I don't see that as "replacing" any one particular player. If anything, they replaced Schenn last year by making Giroux a LW, and then replace Giroux at center with Patrick.
Yes, they would have been a better team in the present with Schenn in the mix. I doubt many people will argue that. But just because they brought in a top-6 LW more than a full calendar year after Schenn was traded does not mean that they got JvR solely to "replace" Schenn. - jmatchett383
Well that’s fine. The majority of Schenn’s time here was at LW. We’re weak at LW. We signed a guy at LW who was a 50 point getter for us.
It’s not a ridiculous argument. I’m not burning you for disagreeing but it’s not a ridiculous argument.
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That can be your opinion, but the team clearly was better without him already. Can't prove something that is hypothetical, someone could easily say the complete opposite too like the Flyers would of been worse if they never traded Schenn. How do you prove that?
The fact is the Flyers were a better team without him then with him. - Glak18
Well, they also had a breakout year from Couturier at C and G had a great year ad the 1 LW. Provorov, Konecny, and Ghost had increases, and Patrick was added to the mix. Simmonds had a down year but still produced well. So it's not exactly apples to apples.
Had they kept Schenn as the 2LW on a line with Patrick and Konecny/Jake, I think they would have been even better, at least offensively. Can't prove it, but I think they would have been.
I'm not saying I didn't like the trade, because they weren't a contender last year, and I feel that the addition of Frost/Farabee in the next 2 years, including their lower combined cap hits, will help them be a contender better than keeping Schenn would have.
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Jul 26 @ 4:54 PM ET
That can be your opinion, but the team clearly was better without him already. Can't prove something that is hypothetical, someone could easily say the complete opposite too like the Flyers would of been worse if they never traded Schenn. How do you prove that?
The fact is the Flyers were a better team without him then with him. - Glak18
Yeah we’ll be better with JvR’s 54 points but not Schenn’s 70. This is logic I can get behind. You’ve officially out classed me in every way.
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Jul 26 @ 4:56 PM ET
Flyers, 100%.
When I was a STH, we won a free trip to Pittsburgh (plane/hotel/tix free) for a Flyers/Pens game. We went out to lunch and I was in my Flyers jersey, she was in her Pens jersey, and Doc Emrick happened to be in the same place. He walked by our table and asked us how much longer we expected to be together.
It makes the playoffs tough sometimes, but we're usually civil. - jmatchett383
Hahaha I know how you feel man
My girlfriend is a rangers fan
My roommate and best friend is a rangers fan. His girlfriend (also my roommate and close friend) is a pens fan
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Jul 26 @ 4:56 PM ET
Well, they also had a breakout year from Couturier at C and G had a great year ad the 1 LW. Provorov, Konecny, and Ghost had increases, and Patrick was added to the mix. Simmonds had a down year but still produced well. So it's not exactly apples to apples.
Had they kept Schenn as the 2LW on a line with Patrick and Konecny/Jake, I think they would have been even better, at least offensively. Can't prove it, but I think they would have been.
I'm not saying I didn't like the trade, because they weren't a contender last year, and I feel that the addition of Frost/Farabee in the next 2 years, including their lower combined cap hits, will help them be a contender better than keeping Schenn would have. - jmatchett383
I share the same thoughts. You might hate it but this is how I feel...
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Jul 26 @ 5:08 PM ET
Well, they also had a breakout year from Couturier at C and G had a great year ad the 1 LW. Provorov, Konecny, and Ghost had increases, and Patrick was added to the mix. Simmonds had a down year but still produced well. So it's not exactly apples to apples.
Had they kept Schenn as the 2LW on a line with Patrick and Konecny/Jake, I think they would have been even better, at least offensively. Can't prove it, but I think they would have been.
I'm not saying I didn't like the trade, because they weren't a contender last year, and I feel that the addition of Frost/Farabee in the next 2 years, including their lower combined cap hits, will help them be a contender better than keeping Schenn would have. - jmatchett383
Exactly, Giroux filled the LW spot and did better than Schenn ever could and Couturier moved up, had a career year and scored more than Giroux did the previously year. Everyone was replaced quite nicely.
Exactly, Giroux filled the LW spot and did better than Schenn ever could and Couturier moved up, had a career year and scored more than Giroux did the previously year. Everyone was replaced quite nicely. - Glak18
Yes. And had they been able to add Schenn into the mix (again, I liked the trade, but assuming the trade wasn't made), I think their production would have increased even more. Not 70 points more, and not saying the team would have been better overall, but their offensive totals, in my opinion, would have been even greater.
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Jul 26 @ 5:16 PM ET
Yeah we’ll be better with JvR’s 54 points but not Schenn’s 70. This is logic I can get behind. You’ve officially out classed me in every way. - SuperSchennBros
Wait did I miss the season? Is that how seasons are determined, take a players point totals from the previous year and move it to another team
You have no clue what logic is. There is no doubt in my mind, not only were you unable to attend college, but you never finished high school.
This is your logic:
Schenn played LW for the Flyers 2 years ago (even though he played center for St. Louis last year) and JvR plays LW for the Flyers now....sooooo that means JvR replaces Schenn. So take it players point totals from the previous year and that means how much productions the Flyers will have with JvR and what they COULD have with Schenn.
That is the most retarded logic I have ever heard, seriously absolutely mind numbing logic. EVER.
You are obviously related or family friends of the Schenns. No one can be that closed minded without some kind of agenda.
Ok, I wanted an answer, but since you can not do a simple thing like explain what you consider "replacing production" is then I will go ahead.
First things first, invalid definition of "replaced production" is stating another player has to score the same amount to offset another players production and the players previously on the team do not count. That's just logic 101.
- Glak18
I completely disagree. That's exactly what replacing a player means. Did the player or players who replaced him in the lineup match the reasonable expected production that Schenn would've produced during a full season. The answer is not even close. That's logic 101. There is also no doubt that if Schenn has remained a Flyer, the Flyers offensive production as a team would've increased from what it was last season. No question about it.
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Jul 26 @ 5:22 PM ET
Yes. And had they been able to add Schenn into the mix (again, I liked the trade, but assuming the trade wasn't made), I think their production would have increased even more. Not 70 points more, and not saying the team would have been better overall, but their offensive totals, in my opinion, would have been even greater. - jmatchett383
I won't lie, I despise when people assume if a player produces on 1 team that automatically means the same on another. If Schenn was able to produce 70 points for the Flyers then he would have, but he couldn't. He was given all the chances in the world to produce and he wasn't consistent enough to do it.
All sports is the same, the factor of the current team, other players, the way they play, everything makes a huge impact on performance. I could give a million examples, here's a quick local one.
First off, you seem to believe JvR was signed to "replace" Brayden Schenn. Ok, that is extremely weird, but ok.
Then I 100% prove, using facts you may re-read at any time, that the Flyers did indeed increase OVERALL and EVEN STRENGTH scoring production WITHOUT Brayden Schenn and REPLACED his PP scoring production.
So JvR is replacing something that has already been replaced or adding additional production? - Glak18
I don't think there is any question that a large part of the reasoning for signing JVR was to replace what they lost when they traded Schenn. If they didn't need to increase offensive production and what was lost was already replaced, why make the signing?
