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Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jul 26 @ 4:26 PM ET
I cast level 17 necromancy. I destroy your coffin and replace it with a hot tub.
- jmatchett383

counterspell boi
ajw12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.27.2017

Jul 26 @ 4:26 PM ET
Schenn as a top six forward who produced points on LW was traded. JvR was signed as a LW to fill that hole.

Why is weird? Explain how this is a weird concept to digest.

- SuperSchennBros


Had they signed JVR right after they traded Schenn I'd buy that argument but they signed him after they increased all their goal totals from the season before so how is the signing of JVR in any way, shape, or form related to trading Schenn and not just because they saw a very good goal scorer on the open market and wanted to improve their team even more?
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jul 26 @ 4:27 PM ET
I'm not too familiar with D&D, could an encounter be created where you enter into a gwent tournament with an evil sorcerer, winner gets to bed the princess?
- Fryman4

you could certainly try

one of my buddies is playing a warlock in the current campaign and his secondary goal is to create a bum fighting ring in the slum district of Westrun

his primary goal is to essentially build a mechanical body for himself then transfer his consciousness over to it via magic to potentially free himself of the bonds of his Patron.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 26 @ 4:28 PM ET
Had they signed JVR right after they traded Schenn I'd buy that argument but they signed him after they increased all their goal totals from the season before so how is the signing of JVR in any way, shape, or form related to trading Schenn and not just because they say a very good goal scorer on the open market and wanted to improve their team even more?
- ajw12


I'd say the JvR signing was more just them adding a good player as opposed to him being brought in to "replace" any specific player.
Fryman4
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.21.2014

Jul 26 @ 4:29 PM ET
you could certainly try

one of my buddies is playing a warlock in the current campaign and his secondary goal is to create a bum fighting ring in the slum district of Westrun

- Mordecai


How difficult would it be for your buddy to accomplish that goal? Is pretty much anything possible, or can the DM shoot down storyarchs/is the story mostly decided by the DM. I guess I'm just curious how much influence a player can have on the actual storyline.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 26 @ 4:30 PM ET
you could certainly try

one of my buddies is playing a warlock in the current campaign and his secondary goal is to create a bum fighting ring in the slum district of Westrun

- Mordecai


I always fail at D&D because I just tell people that I run at them and chop off their heads before they can cast any spells at me. Or if I'm a mage, I just summon and invincible dragon that burn the world down.

Apparently, there are "rules" to the game.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jul 26 @ 4:30 PM ET
How difficult would it be for your buddy to accomplish that goal? Is pretty much anything possible, or can the DM shoot down storyarchs/is the story mostly decided by the DM. I guess I'm just curious how much influence a player can have on the actual storyline.
- Fryman4

i let my characters attempt to do whatever they would like then let the dice decide. i told them from the beginning that if they wanted to go pure murder-hobo campaign it would be challenging but do-able. thankfully they have been fairly calm so far aside from the occasional drug use and partaking of lady favors.
ajw12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.27.2017

Jul 26 @ 4:30 PM ET
I'd say the JvR signing was more just them adding a good player as opposed to him being brought in to "replace" any specific player.
- jmatchett383


I agree. I just wanted to know why he thinks it was in response to "replacing" Schenn
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 26 @ 4:31 PM ET
Quack Quack Quack Quack Quack Quack Quack Quack Quack Quack Quack Quack Quack Quack Quack Quack Quack Quack Quack Quack Quack Quack Quack Quack

Edit: This was a personal aquack

- Fryman4


ftfy
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jul 26 @ 4:32 PM ET
I always fail at D&D because I just tell people that I run at them and chop off their heads before they can cast any spells at me. Or if I'm a mage, I just summon and invincible dragon that burn the world down.

Apparently, there are "rules" to the game.

- jmatchett383


i'm pretty loose with the rules as long as you are attempting to actually accomplish something meaningful. like if you have 30ft of movement normally but the enemy is on death's door and you want to attempt a sweet jumping spin move or something from 45ft away i'll usually allow it.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 26 @ 4:32 PM ET
Had they signed JVR right after they traded Schenn I'd buy that argument but they signed him after they increased all their goal totals from the season before so how is the signing of JVR in any way, shape, or form related to trading Schenn and not just because they say a very good goal scorer on the open market and wanted to improve their team even more?
- ajw12

So why sign JvR at all after increasing production? Excuse me as I use the words “survived one season without Schenn” very loosely but as you stated, the Flyers increased production without Schenn but added JvR, which begs the question. Would the Flyers have been better with Schenn last season. I think the answer is a clear Yes because we just signed JvR even if we didn’t need it!
Fryman4
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.21.2014

Jul 26 @ 4:32 PM ET
i let my characters attempt to do whatever they would like then let the dice decide. i told them from the beginning that if they wanted to go pure murder-hobo campaign it would be challenging but do-able. thankfully they have been fairly calm so far aside from the occasional drug use and partaking of lady favors.
- Mordecai


So basically the DM can lay out before hand how much shenaniganery they are willing to try to work with, and integrate it into the story?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 26 @ 4:32 PM ET
I agree. I just wanted to know why he thinks it was in response to "replacing" Schenn
- ajw12


Goes with the "he's irreplaceable" opinion
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jul 26 @ 4:35 PM ET
So basically the DM can lay out before hand how much shenaniganery they are willing to try to work with, and integrate it into the story?
- Fryman4

yeah, in a way. D&D is so fun because the characters and the DM are building a story together. i lay out the world for them and depending on what decisions they make the world will react differently. it requires everyone at the table to be involved creatively and have actual goals that they want to accomplish. even the chaotic neutral wizard has something he/she wants to attain whether that is power, magic items, friendship, etc.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 26 @ 4:35 PM ET
Because I married into a family from Pittsburgh.
Also, I always liked Mario Lemieux growing up.

That said, there are several players on the team that I'm not a fan of.

- jmatchett383


That's about the only answer I would accept

So who do you cheer for in head to head matchups?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 26 @ 4:37 PM ET
So why sign JvR at all after increasing production? Excuse me as I use the words “survived one season without Schenn” very loosely but as you stated, the Flyers increased production without Schenn but added JvR, which begs the question. Would the Flyers have been better with Schenn last season. I think the answer is a clear Yes because we just signed JvR even if we didn’t need it!
- SuperSchennBros


Because he makes the team better. If a player can make your team better and you can add him without hurting your team, you should do it.

Toronto was better last season than they were the season before, and they added Tavares. It wasn't done to "replace" Marleau or anyone else, it was because adding him made their team better. Same, to a lesser degree, with the Flyers and JvR.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 26 @ 4:37 PM ET
I KNEW IT

First off, you seem to believe JvR was signed to "replace" Brayden Schenn. Ok, that is extremely weird, but ok.

Then I 100% prove, using facts you may re-read at any time, that the Flyers did indeed increase OVERALL and EVEN STRENGTH scoring production WITHOUT Brayden Schenn and REPLACED his PP scoring production.

So JvR is replacing something that has already been replaced or adding additional production?

- Glak18

Shocking, isn’t it. The Flyers have ample cap space and went out and signed a free agent that can help the team by increasing their potential offensive output. If JVR is replacing anyone in the top 9, it’s likely Raffl. This, btw, is a good thing as it allows Raffl to be what he should be at this point in his career, a very good 4th line player who can step up into the top 9 when needed.
Fryman4
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.21.2014

Jul 26 @ 4:38 PM ET
yeah, in a way. D&D is so fun because the characters and the DM are building a story together. i lay out the world for them and depending on what decisions they make the world will react differently. it requires everyone at the table to be involved creatively and have actual goals that they want to accomplish. even the chaotic neutral wizard has something he/she wants to attain whether that is power, magic items, friendship, etc.
- Mordecai


Sweet, sounds pretty rad. I've always been intrigued by it. Do you play online or have an in person game?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 26 @ 4:39 PM ET
That's about the only answer I would accept

So who do you cheer for in head to head matchups?

- bulet13


Flyers, 100%.

When I was a STH, we won a free trip to Pittsburgh (plane/hotel/tix free) for a Flyers/Pens game. We went out to lunch and I was in my Flyers jersey, she was in her Pens jersey, and Doc Emrick happened to be in the same place. He walked by our table and asked us how much longer we expected to be together.

It makes the playoffs tough sometimes, but we're usually civil.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jul 26 @ 4:40 PM ET
Schenn as a top six forward who produced points on LW was traded. JvR was signed as a LW to fill that hole.

Why is weird? Explain how this is a weird concept to digest.

I KNEW IT! I THINK I’VE GOT HIM!!

- SuperSchennBros


JvR is NOT replacing Brayden Schenn!

Brayden Schenn WAS ALREADY replaced!

So using your logic the Flyers never replaced Eric Lindros because they don't have a center named Eric?

How about let's just focus on Brayden Schenn:

17-18 GP: 82 G: 28 A: 42 P: 70 TOI: 19:44
16-17 GP: 79 G: 25 A: 30 P: 55 TOI: 17:48

Brayden Schenn's increase production with 1:56 increased ice time per game:
3 goals
12 assist

Did the Flyers replace that 3 goals and 12 assists?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 26 @ 4:40 PM ET
Shocking, isn’t it. The Flyers have ample cap space and went out and signed a free agent that can help the team by increasing their potential offensive output. If JVR is replacing anyone in the top 9, it’s likely Raffl. This, btw, is a good thing as it allows Raffl to be what he should be at this point in his career, a very good 4th line player who can step up into the top 9 when needed.
- BiggE


Also, if he had the ability to add a guy like JvR and passed, certain people on this site would criticize his lack of FA acumen.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 26 @ 4:41 PM ET
Because he makes the team better. If a player can make your team better and you can add him without hurting your team, you should do it.

Toronto was better last season than they were the season before, and they added Tavares. It wasn't done to "replace" Marleau or anyone else, it was because adding him made their team better. Same, to a lesser degree, with the Flyers and JvR.

- jmatchett383


Yees!! Yes!!!!
JvR makes the team better!!

Schenn also would have made the team better the past season. All I’m saying. The deal was fine but it looks better now that you sign JvR to make the team better.

My point has always remained the same in this argument.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jul 26 @ 4:41 PM ET
Sweet, sounds pretty rad. I've always been intrigued by it. Do you play online or have an in person game?
- Fryman4

we meet up on Sunday's at my buddies house and play for 3-4 hours typically. this is my first time being a DM and most of them have never played before. i spend about 5-7 hours a week working on content for them. sometimes we don't even get to half of the stuff i've prepared.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jul 26 @ 4:43 PM ET
Had they signed JVR right after they traded Schenn I'd buy that argument but they signed him after they increased all their goal totals from the season before so how is the signing of JVR in any way, shape, or form related to trading Schenn and not just because they saw a very good goal scorer on the open market and wanted to improve their team even more?
- ajw12


I once stood in line at a Walmart where I got to see a lady try to return a piece of clothing for a refund. The cashier asked if she had a receipt and she said no. The cashier asked when she purchased the item, she said about 18 months ago. The cashier then asked where the item was, she said she was wearing the shirt now. She was mad they would not refund her money.

I personally believe SuperSchenn has less intelligence than that lady.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 26 @ 4:43 PM ET
Yees!! Yes!!!!
JvR makes the team better!!

Schenn also would have made the tram better the past season. All I’m saying. The deal was fine but it looks better now that you sign JvR to Matt the team better.

My point has always remained the same in this argument.

- SuperSchennBros


Right...but I don't see that as "replacing" any one particular player. If anything, they replaced Schenn last year by making Giroux a LW, and then replace Giroux at center with Patrick.

Yes, they would have been a better team in the present with Schenn in the mix. I doubt many people will argue that. But just because they brought in a top-6 LW more than a full calendar year after Schenn was traded does not mean that they got JvR solely to "replace" Schenn.
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