His childhood dream has always been to live in a house underwater and misunderstood his agent when he was traded to Ohio. I guess the word 'Ocean' and 'Landfill' are similar in Russian.
- Glak18

Real classy.

If Philly has to start with Konecny, what the hell would the Habs have to start with.

If Philly has to start with Konecny, what the hell would the Habs have to start with.
- Metiv420

Firing MB

If Philly has to start with Konecny, what the hell would the Habs have to start with.
- Metiv420

Shea Weber, Carey Price and the hottest wife on the team.

Pretty simple answer: he was franking terrible. He had completely lost his game. He needed a change of scenery.

Same with Luke Schenn.

Heck yes, Toronto ended up winning this trade by a mile, but at the time, it was a very fair trade.

Sometimes you gamble and lose.
- Atomic Wedgie

That is not at all the reason why JVR was traded. At the time Flyers did not need a LW and they had just lost Pronger. Problem Philly had for the few years after Pronger got hurt was they tried to replace him via trades. Schenn was brought in to replace pronger, the trade was made because Holmgren was desperate and he had to please Ed Snyder who while a good guy, was not a good owner for the team. The Bryzgalov signing was pushed by Snyder as well

I will keep Konecny. Really like that guys game, he has great wheels and gives 110% every shift. The skill I saw from him once he developed confidence, was super. I have high hopes for the kid.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Konecny seems like he’ll be good for 25-35 goals a season based on his ability. I’m not sure that Panarin would be a drastic improvement over TK.

That is not at all the reason why JVR was traded. At the time Flyers did not need a LW and they had just lost Pronger. Problem Philly had for the few years after Pronger got hurt was they tried to replace him via trades. Schenn was brought in to replace pronger, the trade was made because Holmgren was desperate and he had to please Ed Snyder who while a good guy, was not a good owner for the team. The Bryzgalov signing was pushed by Snyder as well
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Flyers are not owned by the pretzel guy, That's Mr. Snider.

Firing MB
- bulet13

I'd take that deal!

Flyers are not owned by the pretzel guy, That's Mr. Snider.
- Glak18

Irrelevant. Its all pronounced the same

Konecny seems like he’ll be good for 25-35 goals a season based on his ability. I’m not sure that Panarin would be a drastic improvement over TK.
- Sublime55

Panarin could potentially be a 30-40 goal guy for the Flyers, but at a super increase in salary. The two are not interchangeable though, there is a lot more to both of their games then just scoring goals.

Whether it would be good for the Flyers has more to do with what stage they feel they are in and how that trade would impact the team on re-signing their young guys. Panarin is 26, it's not like he is 30.

That is not at all the reason why JVR was traded. At the time Flyers did not need a LW and they had just lost Pronger. Problem Philly had for the few years after Pronger got hurt was they tried to replace him via trades. Schenn was brought in to replace pronger, the trade was made because Holmgren was desperate and he had to please Ed Snyder who while a good guy, was not a good owner for the team. The Bryzgalov signing was pushed by Snyder as well
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I've been staring at this sentence for 5 minutes now.

I'm completely discombobulated.

You can't possibly think this is true, can you?

But but but....Schenn had 9 more assists playing 3 more minutes a game, SUPERSTAR!
- Glak18

Schenn has just had the best CF%rel of his career at 4.4. For the 2016-17 season in Philadelphia he had a CF%rel of -2.6. He also started 63% of his shifts in the offensive zone last season vs. the 55% OZ starts in his career with Flyers. The rub: maybe he had a coach that put him in the best position to succeed. On the other hand, maybe this past season's stats are an outlier for a player who really hasn't had a great even strength game over the course of his career.

I think Panarin re-signs with the Blackhawks on July 1st, 2019.

I've been staring at this sentence for 5 minutes now.

I'm completely discombobulated.

You can't possibly think this is true, can you?
- Atomic Wedgie

As misguided as it was, it is true. Flyers were desperately trying to plug a hole that was beyond repair.

I've been staring at this sentence for 5 minutes now.

I'm completely discombobulated.

You can't possibly think this is true, can you?
- Atomic Wedgie

To back up my satement

https://www.nhl.com/news/...for-van-riemsdyk/c-635961

Some quotes:

"The Flyers needed the older Schenn to bolster a depleted blue line that also has some older pieces. It was a deal that has been crafted over several months before being consummated Saturday."

"The Flyers clearly hope that he molds into the punishing-type defender that was sorely missed after captain Chris Pronger was sidelined by a career-threatening head injury early this past season."

No only the old Joe knows de way

JoeGrief is love. JoeGrief is life.
- bulet13

Your post are making you look like a 10 year old. For god sake's grow up man. Who are you to judge my opinon? It is my opinion right or wrong but there are people on here that take everything personal. I will tell you one thing for sure and that is I have zeroe respect for your hockey knowledge. On top of that if you cant say anything nice just say nothing.

Schenn has just had the best CF%rel of his career at 4.4. For the 2016-17 season in Philadelphia he had a CF%rel of -2.6. He also started 63% of his shifts in the offensive zone last season vs. the 55% OZ starts in his career with Flyers. The rub: maybe he had a coach that put him in the best position to succeed. On the other hand, maybe this past season's stats are an outlier for a player who really hasn't had a great even strength game over the course of his career.
- Sinisalo4vr

Take a look at Giroux at even strength for two years prior to last year. The guy was a lazy cull and only tried to come alive on the pp. Voracek was the best player for those two years and I would take him over Claude anyday of the week. STL is thrilled to have Schenn and all the negative comments are simply sour grapes, bullet infused.

I've been staring at this sentence for 5 minutes now.

I'm completely discombobulated.

You can't possibly think this is true, can you?
- Atomic Wedgie

This is the problem, some Flyer fans believe everything they read and Hextall is like a cult leader. They are all brainwashed by whoever the GM is at the time of the deal. Lavy is twice the coach as Hakstol, Hextall is stubborn and if you look at the roster and see at least 8 culls that have no business in the nhl it makes you wonder.

I guess we will respectfully disagree on this one Bill and that is okay. Schenn at 26 is just hitting his prime. He brings lots to the table including some physicality. I just read where you wrote that Frost is likely staying in junior again because he is not physically ready and that he was outmuscled and held of the scoresheet in the ohl playoffs. My point is if he was really that good he should have been playing by now in the NHL. I am a huge Flyers guy but stand by my feelings that Philly got robbed and H and H are both dummies. I do agree that Schenn needed out of Philly because of the logjam and also allowed Couts to grow. However they could have got a heck of a lot more for Schenn if Hextall had have sent a memo to all teams that Schenn was available. I know that is not Hextall's style and that is why he is such a bad gm in my opinion. Good opinions are healthy Bill and I respect yours but just do not agree.
- joegreif17

Stating that if Frost was really that good he should have been playing in the NHL by now is not only absurd but also disqualifying. I was a Schenn fan and thought he was a better player than given credit for but the trade was a very good trade for the Flyers. Stating that they got robbed is also absurd.
You're also stating assumptions as fact such as the Flyers could've gotten a heck of a lot more for Schenn. That shows a clear misunderstanding of Schenn's actually worth as well as not knowing how Hextall actually went about making the move.

Most importantly I get a kick out of the irony of you calling others misinformed while making these statements.

Wrong, since he made the dumb ass trade he does not get a vote. The only people voting should be outside the Philly fan base to get an honest opinion. Too much homerism going on in your city and blinded by the orange and black. The HNIC crew discussed this last year and they totally gave the Blues a big thumbs up and really could not understand what Hextall was thinking. Hextall is proving he is patient, stuborn and after five years he is still looking for a goalie. Hopefully CH is given the chance and makes good.
- joegreif17

I think once Frost and Farabee develop into the players they're going to be, it will be pretty clear what Hextall was thinking. Hextall isn't still looking for a goalie, he has a number of them waiting in the wings including Hart who has a chance to be a star.

That is not at all the reason why JVR was traded. At the time Flyers did not need a LW and they had just lost Pronger. Problem Philly had for the few years after Pronger got hurt was they tried to replace him via trades. Schenn was brought in to replace pronger, the trade was made because Holmgren was desperate and he had to please Ed Snyder who while a good guy, was not a good owner for the team. The Bryzgalov signing was pushed by Snyder as well
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Ed Snider, no y, was one of the greatest sports team owners in history.

Stating that if Frost was really that good he should have been playing in the NHL by now is not only absurd but also disqualifying. I was a Schenn fan and thought he was a better player than given credit for but the trade was a very good trade for the Flyers. Stating that they got robbed is also absurd.
You're also stating assumptions as fact such as the Flyers could've gotten a heck of a lot more for Schenn. That shows a clear misunderstanding of Schenn's actually worth as well as not knowing how Hextall actually went about making the move.

Most importantly I get a kick out of the irony of you calling others misinformed while making these statements.
- MJL

What do you actually know besides your excessive indulgence in the black and orange koolaid. If Hextall told you we are all jumping off the roof of the tallest building in your city you would be the first to jump, just saying How can you opinion be any wiser that anyone elses? Everyone knows you are a puppet man for everything that is said by Won Haxtall, so don't try to convince me of anything. I happen to call a spade a spade and I will not jump if Ron says jump. I may not be right on everything but I will admit when I was wrong.

I think once Frost and Farabee develop into the players they're going to be, it will be pretty clear what Hextall was thinking. Hextall isn't still looking for a goalie, he has a number of them waiting in the wings including Hart who has a chance to be a star.
- MJL

I certainly hope so, Hextall's luck has to change. I hope Hart gets a shot soon. The Neuvy/Elliott experiment is clearly not working, both of them are already booked for sick bay in November, haha

Take a look at Giroux at even strength for two years prior to last year. The guy was a lazy cull and only tried to come alive on the pp. Voracek was the best player for those two years and I would take him over Claude anyday of the week. STL is thrilled to have Schenn and all the negative comments are simply sour grapes, bullet infused.
- joegreif17

Stating that Giroux at any time was lazy is ridiculous. In 15/16 Giroux was still in the top 30 in the league among centers at even strength in points and was clearly affected by injury in the 16/17 season.

I certainly hope so, Hextall's luck has to change. I hope Hart gets a shot soon. The Neuvy/Elliott experiment is clearly not working, both of them are already booked for sick bay in November, haha
- joegreif17

His luck has to change? LOL He's built an incredible stable of prospects that is the best in the league. I have no problem with Elliott. Don't really trust Neuvirth.