77emac77
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Location: Duct tape cant fix stupid but it can muffle the sound, MA Joined: 04.22.2010
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Well, I can't see Columbus being able to convince him to stay. If Panarin wants the big city and also a place where he can showcase his extraordinary talents, then where better than to step into the vacated skates of John Tavares. NYI will allow him major exposure and the Isles certainly have a stable of good young talent to entice Columbus. It would be a win-win and like most other moves, Lou flies under the radar and can pull this off.
Having him on Barzal's side could be an amazing duo for years to come!
Probably not, islanders are where players careers go to die. |
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ger68
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Location: palatine, IL Joined: 02.19.2012
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According to EK everybody is going to Montreal |
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Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 07.13.2006
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Unless Panarin commits to a contract extension up front, which he has shown no inclination to do, there is zero chance of the Flyers trading Konecny or first-round picks to rent Panarin for a year. It's not Ron Hextall's way, especially when he realizes the Flyers aren't simply one sniper away from being a true Cup contender. |
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Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today? Joined: 06.30.2006
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According to EK everybody is going to Montreal - ger68
Well, they do have a lot of cap space, and they clearly want to make improvements. So there is a fair chance they are interested in any significant player that might be available.
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Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today? Joined: 06.30.2006
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Unless Panarin commits to a contract extension up front, which he has shown no inclination to do, there is zero chance of the Flyers trading Konecny or first-round picks to rent Panarin for a year. It's not Ron Hextall's way, especially when he realizes the Flyers aren't simply one sniper away from being a true Cup contender. - bmeltzer
Nashville? |
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Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: avid reader of the daily douche news Joined: 03.14.2014
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Unless Panarin commits to a contract extension up front, which he has shown no inclination to do, there is zero chance of the Flyers trading Konecny or first-round picks to rent Panarin for a year. It's not Ron Hextall's way, especially when he realizes the Flyers aren't simply one sniper away from being a true Cup contender. - bmeltzer
I think you under rate panarin by calling a sniper, he's a pretty well rounded player imo.
But 100% on not trading koency for a rental. Young proven players never get traded for rentals |
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Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 07.13.2006
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No worries here, Hextall is not smart enough to get this done. He still has Morgan Frost in the wings while Schenn is just hitting his prime after a point season in STL. - joegreif17
Schenn is a nice complementary piece, no less and no more. Not a star. He got off to a great start, but individually di not made his star linemates in STL better. They produced at essentially their usual rate with him and then his own productivity then dropped off a cliff after Schwartz got hurt. He wasn't enough of a difference maker that the Blues avoided missed the playoffs. In fact, they finished below the Schenn-less Flyers in the overall league standings.
Also and the Flyers got OHL MVP runner-up out of it (in a finalist field with an over-ager and a player who turned 20 by end of season) and then added Joel Farabee with the other pick out of the trade.
Yeah, they'll be kicking themselves for YEARS over this one, Joe. Franchise may never recover. |
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bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX Joined: 03.10.2013
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Unless Panarin commits to a contract extension up front, which he has shown no inclination to do, there is zero chance of the Flyers trading Konecny or first-round picks to rent Panarin for a year. It's not Ron Hextall's way, especially when he realizes the Flyers aren't simply one sniper away from being a true Cup contender. - bmeltzer
You know it's nonesense when bill chimes in |
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bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX Joined: 03.10.2013
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Schenn is a nice complementary piece, no less and no more. Not a star. He got off to a great start, but individually di not made his star linemates in STL better. They produced at essentially their usual rate with him and then his own productivity then dropped off a cliff after Schwartz got hurt. He wasn't enough of a difference maker that the Blues avoided missed the playoffs. In fact, they finished below the Schenn-less Flyers in the overall league standings.
Also and the Flyers got OHL MVP runner-up out of it (in a finalist field with an over-ager and a player who turned 20 by end of season) and then added Joel Farabee with the other pick out of the trade.
Yeah, they'll be kicking themselves for YEARS over this one, Joe. Franchise may never recover. - bmeltzer
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Well, they do have a lot of cap space, and they clearly want to make improvements. So there is a fair chance they are interested in any significant player that might be available. - Aetherial
This comment is too balanced and logical. Boo this man |
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Antilles
St Louis Blues |
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Joined: 10.17.2008
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Schenn is a nice complementary piece, no less and no more. Not a star. He got off to a great start, but individually di not made his star linemates in STL better. They produced at essentially their usual rate with him and then his own productivity then dropped off a cliff after Schwartz got hurt. He wasn't enough of a difference maker that the Blues avoided missed the playoffs. In fact, they finished below the Schenn-less Flyers in the overall league standings.
Also and the Flyers got OHL MVP runner-up out of it (in a finalist field with an over-ager and a player who turned 20 by end of season) and then added Joel Farabee with the other pick out of the trade.
Yeah, they'll be kicking themselves for YEARS over this one, Joe. Franchise may never recover. - bmeltzer
Schenn had a carousel of RW's, not a star linemate, after the first 20 or so games of the season. Tarasenko produced at the highest rate of his career while playing with Schenn and Schwartz for those first 20 games, but then was moved when the team needed to try and spread out the scoring. Schenn had Schwartz as his LW most of season. Schwartz had a career year in a points per game sense, thanks the Schenn.
Your comment is numerically wrong in places, and just seems bitter. Did Schenn kick your dog or something, that you can't just point out the positives of the trade for Flyers; you have to make up stuff to down Schenn as well? Blues had Kyle Brodziak as a second line center by the end of the season, and you suggest it's Schenn's fault they didn't make playoffs? |
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bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX Joined: 03.10.2013
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Schenn had a carousel of RW's, not a star linemate, after the first 20 or so games of the season. Tarasenko produced at the highest rate of his career while playing with Schenn and Schwartz for those first 20 games, but then was moved when the team needed to try and spread out the scoring. Schenn had Schwartz as his LW most of season. Schwartz had a career year in a points per game sense, thanks the Schenn.
Your comment is numerically wrong in places, and just seems bitter. Did Schenn kick your dog or something, that you can't just point out the positives of the trade for Flyers; you have to make up stuff to down Schenn as well? Blues had Kyle Brodziak as a second line center by the end of the season, and you suggest it's Schenn's fault they didn't make playoffs? - Antilles
It's clear we're not bitter because we're more than happy with the return lol
You're the one that sounds bitter. |
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Schenn had a carousel of RW's, not a star linemate, after the first 20 or so games of the season. Tarasenko produced at the highest rate of his career while playing with Schenn and Schwartz for those first 20 games, but then was moved when the team needed to try and spread out the scoring. Schenn had Schwartz as his LW most of season. Schwartz had a career year in a points per game sense, thanks the Schenn.
Your comment is numerically wrong in places, and just seems bitter. Did Schenn kick your dog or something, that you can't just point out the positives of the trade for Flyers; you have to make up stuff to down Schenn as well? Blues had Kyle Brodziak as a second line center by the end of the season, and you suggest it's Schenn's fault they didn't make playoffs? - Antilles
I actually agree with a lot of this. Both teams can benefit from a trade and in most cases want different things from a trade. It worked out well for both teams. Schenn was a 25+ g 55-60 point guy in Philly. St. Lou gave him a shot higher up the food chain and he performed at a 70 point clip. Schenn isn't the reason the Blues missed the playoffs...a conscious decision by management to sell their 2nd line C and not upgrade at the deadline helped do that - and likely killed motivation in that room.
Frost is awesome, likely to be a beast and in a couple years Coots, Patrick and Frost with Laughton on 4th will be insane C depth to match what is expected to be coming on D. None of that makes Schenn poop nor does it explain the negative comments some put out there.
As a Habs fan I'd love to have a 25 g 70 point C who plays physical. But that's a whole other ball of poop to unravel |
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Crushers68
New Jersey Devils |
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Location: Hilton Head Island, SC Joined: 02.17.2009
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Where do you think makes the most sense for Panarin?
In NEW JERSEY! He can have the big city life (NYC 8 miles away) and play for a team that is on the rise. |
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xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Hamilton, ON Joined: 06.25.2010
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No worries here, Hextall is not smart enough to get this done. He still has Morgan Frost in the wings while Schenn is just hitting his prime after a point season in STL. - joegreif17
So your saying you wouldnt accept 2 1sts for Schenn? I dont see schenn doing better than last season. He is not going to be a guy that is a ppg player. While it would have been nice to still have him, He has no future as a C on the Flyers since they drafted N.Patrick. He was used on the Wing because they were too crowded. |
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Just5
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: PA Joined: 05.22.2008
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Unless Panarin commits to a contract extension up front, which he has shown no inclination to do, there is zero chance of the Flyers trading Konecny or first-round picks to rent Panarin for a year. It's not Ron Hextall's way, especially when he realizes the Flyers aren't simply one sniper away from being a true Cup contender. - bmeltzer
He won’t commit to an extension with anyone or with the bj’s? I’m sure Columbus would allow a team access to his agent for extension purposes, so Columbus can maximize value in the deal |
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Antilles
St Louis Blues |
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Joined: 10.17.2008
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So your saying you wouldnt accept 2 1sts for Schenn? I dont see schenn doing better than last season. He is not going to be a guy that is a ppg player. While it would have been nice to still have him, He has no future as a C on the Flyers since they drafted N.Patrick. He was used on the Wing because they were too crowded. - xShoot4WarAmpsx
I think it was a good deal for Flyers too, especially given their depth at Center and them having unused cap space. But remember, it wasn't 2 firsts for Schenn, it was 2 firsts for Schenn and 9.4m in cap space. You guys had to take Lehterrible in the deal. |
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ECBloosier
St Louis Blues |
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Location: MO Joined: 12.29.2014
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Panarin will end up as a St Louis Blue! He and Tarasenko are best buds. Vladdy tried to get him to STL before. He will more than likely get moved as a rental... but welcome to STL Mr Panarin this summer! |
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I think it was a good deal for Flyers too, especially given their depth at Center and them having unused cap space. But remember, it wasn't 2 firsts for Schenn, it was 2 firsts for Schenn and 9.4m in cap space. You guys had to take Lehterrible in the deal. - Antilles
On St. Louis' side of the equation, the cap space is a relevant factor. On Philly's, it's simply not. (In fact, not having to extend Schenn, and getting years of extra control over Frost and Farabee, is a boon to our cap situation in the years where it actually matters to us.)
The real downside of taking Lehtera in the deal was that we had Lehtera on the roster, and therefore we had Lehtera on the ice.
All told, the deal worked out well for both teams. Sure, St. Louis had expectations of making the playoffs and didn't, but it wasn't Schenn's fault alone that they didn't; similarly, Lehtera held down a roster spot that a younger guy might have had, but Hexy could have demoted him and didn't. (And we'd probably have just iced Weise or Read more, anyway. No help there.) |
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xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Hamilton, ON Joined: 06.25.2010
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I think it was a good deal for Flyers too, especially given their depth at Center and them having unused cap space. But remember, it wasn't 2 firsts for Schenn, it was 2 firsts for Schenn and 9.4m in cap space. You guys had to take Lehterrible in the deal. - Antilles
Yea but he isnt relevant as it wasnt like Phily was using the space. His contract is up at the end of this season and it might be when we need his cap space. |
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joegreif17
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Location: Hockeyville, BC Joined: 05.10.2009
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That's why St. Louis went out and traded for ROR and signed teh Bozak.... - Glak18
Bozak is a third liner while ROR and Schenn make the 1C and 2C very exciting. No different than Hextall bringing back JVR when many of you fans think Simmonds is so wonderful, lol JVR just makes the team better just like ROR make the Blues better. Every team would love to have Schenn and I will always be choked that he got traded for a long shot midget. |
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joegreif17
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Location: Hockeyville, BC Joined: 05.10.2009
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I think it was a good deal for Flyers too, especially given their depth at Center and them having unused cap space. But remember, it wasn't 2 firsts for Schenn, it was 2 firsts for Schenn and 9.4m in cap space. You guys had to take Lehterrible in the deal. - Antilles
Thanks for pointing out that one of those first round picks was for cap space and one was for Schenn. Either way though if you took a poll of nhl general managers on this trade it would be unanimous victory for the Blues! |
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joegreif17
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Location: Hockeyville, BC Joined: 05.10.2009
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Panarin will end up as a St Louis Blue! He and Tarasenko are best buds. Vladdy tried to get him to STL before. He will more than likely get moved as a rental... but welcome to STL Mr Panarin this summer! - ECBloosier
The only thing preventing this from happening is do the Blues want to pony up 10 million per season long term???? Not sure they can afford him. |
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carcus
St Louis Blues |
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Location: #Winnington Joined: 02.12.2009
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Panarin will end up as a St Louis Blue! He and Tarasenko are best buds. Vladdy tried to get him to STL before. He will more than likely get moved as a rental... but welcome to STL Mr Panarin this summer! - ECBloosier
Not sure if true or not, but there were rumors that the Blues already inquired to see if Panarin was interested in signing an extension with the Blues if we traded for him and he said no.
I wouldn't count on Panarin coming to STL. It would be awesome to have him and Tarasenko on the same line, but it likely isn't happening. Even with their friendship. |
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Thanks for pointing out that one of those first round picks was for cap space and one was for Schenn. Either way though if you took a poll of nhl general managers on this trade it would be unanimous victory for the Blues! - joegreif17
Statements like this are asinine. "I have no possible way of proving or being disproven so I'll just claim everybody who matters would agree with me...you know, because stuff"
Only Siths deal in absolutes. StL missed the playoffs with their "unanimous victory" trade and Philly did a great job drafting on their end - this "lots of people say" stuff is essentially just BS with no basis |
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