Not sure if true or not, but there were rumors that the Blues already inquired to see if Panarin was interested in signing an extension with the Blues if we traded for him and he said no.

I wouldn't count on Panarin coming to STL. It would be awesome to have him and Tarasenko on the same line, but it likely isn't happening. Even with their friendship.
- carcus

I do believe you are correct. I actually think that Panarin could very well end up a free agent signing with the NYR next July 01. Chicago could very well be in this as well.

C’mon Sharks, you can afford Panarin with both Joe’s probably gone after this season. Max P, San Jose is the west coast version of New Canaan, Ct but much nicer weather. Go West and win a cup in San Jose!

Bozak is a third liner while ROR and Schenn make the 1C and 2C very exciting. No different than Hextall bringing back JVR when many of you fans think Simmonds is so wonderful, lol JVR just makes the team better just like ROR make the Blues better. Every team would love to have Schenn and I will always be choked that he got traded for a long shot midget.
- joegreif17

Simmonds is wonderful, now that's a player most teams would love to have. Schenn...well he didn't fit on the Flyers, they had IMO better options.

Yes I agree, ROR and Bozak are needed depth, but I expect ROR to be playing 1st line minutes while bSchenn's ice time gets cut down to a more reasonable amount.

The fact you always bash Hextall because he traded your favorite player is hilarious. Schenn is what he is and always will be, a complimentary player for better players. If St. Louis loves the deal that much, I am sure Hextall will part with Raffl or Weal for a 1st rounder too.

Statements like this are asinine. "I have no possible way of proving or being disproven so I'll just claim everybody who matters would agree with me...you know, because stuff"

Only Siths deal in absolutes. StL missed the playoffs with their "unanimous victory" trade and Philly did a great job drafting on their end - this "lots of people say" stuff is essentially just BS with no basis
- Takemedrunkimhome

To be fair, JoeG was around when the first ever NHL trade happened.

Schenn is a nice complementary piece, no less and no more. Not a star. He got off to a great start, but individually di not made his star linemates in STL better. They produced at essentially their usual rate with him and then his own productivity then dropped off a cliff after Schwartz got hurt. He wasn't enough of a difference maker that the Blues avoided missed the playoffs. In fact, they finished below the Schenn-less Flyers in the overall league standings.

Also and the Flyers got OHL MVP runner-up out of it (in a finalist field with an over-ager and a player who turned 20 by end of season) and then added Joel Farabee with the other pick out of the trade.

Yeah, they'll be kicking themselves for YEARS over this one, Joe. Franchise may never recover.
- bmeltzer

I guess we will respectfully disagree on this one Bill and that is okay. Schenn at 26 is just hitting his prime. He brings lots to the table including some physicality. I just read where you wrote that Frost is likely staying in junior again because he is not physically ready and that he was outmuscled and held of the scoresheet in the ohl playoffs. My point is if he was really that good he should have been playing by now in the NHL. I am a huge Flyers guy but stand by my feelings that Philly got robbed and H and H are both dummies. I do agree that Schenn needed out of Philly because of the logjam and also allowed Couts to grow. However they could have got a heck of a lot more for Schenn if Hextall had have sent a memo to all teams that Schenn was available. I know that is not Hextall's style and that is why he is such a bad gm in my opinion. Good opinions are healthy Bill and I respect yours but just do not agree.

Bozak is a third liner while ROR and Schenn make the 1C and 2C very exciting. No different than Hextall bringing back JVR when many of you fans think Simmonds is so wonderful, lol JVR just makes the team better just like ROR make the Blues better. Every team would love to have Schenn and I will always be choked that he got traded for a long shot midget.
- joegreif17

Simmonds has nothing to do with JVR. Flyers needed a LW. Simmonds is not a LW, we tried that before, didnt work same goes with Voracek.

Simmonds is wonderful, now that's a player most teams would love to have. Schenn...well he didn't fit on the Flyers, they had IMO better options.

Yes I agree, ROR and Bozak are needed depth, but I expect ROR to be playing 1st line minutes while bSchenn's ice time gets cut down to a more reasonable amount.

The fact you always bash Hextall because he traded your favorite player is hilarious. Schenn is what he is and always will be, a complimentary player for better players. If St. Louis loves the deal that much, I am sure Hextall will part with Raffl or Weal for a 1st rounder too.
- Glak18

Sounds like your losing this discussion Glak18 when you revert to wise cracks and nothing substantial. Do you not think other teams have taken note that Simmonds is not the Simmonds he once was. Also you comment about Raffle and Weal for a first rounder?? Only a misinformed person could make a statement that silly.

I guess we will respectfully disagree on this one Bill and that is okay. Schenn at 26 is just hitting his prime. He brings lots to the table including some physicality. I just read where you wrote that Frost is likely staying in junior again because he is not physically ready and that he was outmuscled and held of the scoresheet in the ohl playoffs. My point is if he was really that good he should have been playing by now in the NHL. I am a huge Flyers guy but stand by my feelings that Philly got robbed and H and H are both dummies. I do agree that Schenn needed out of Philly because of the logjam and also allowed Couts to grow. However they could have got a heck of a lot more for Schenn if Hextall had have sent a memo to all teams that Schenn was available. I know that is not Hextall's style and that is why he is such a bad gm in my opinion. Good opinions are healthy Bill and I respect yours but just do not agree.
- joegreif17

I am getting a bumper sticker made of this and putting it on my car

I am getting a bumper sticker made of this and putting it on my car
- Glak18

Hindsight is a gift and all but I'd hate to see what Bergevin would have paid

We need more CA West Coasters chiming in on the “Buzz”. There are die hard hockey fans here.

Statements like this are asinine. "I have no possible way of proving or being disproven so I'll just claim everybody who matters would agree with me...you know, because stuff"

Only Siths deal in absolutes. StL missed the playoffs with their "unanimous victory" trade and Philly did a great job drafting on their end - this "lots of people say" stuff is essentially just BS with no basis
- Takemedrunkimhome

OK, but can you prove that he has no basis? We should at least give him the opportunity to poll the GMs before jumping to conclusions. I'm assuming he has some sort of source with each GM to have made that claim, especially considering how unlikely a circumstance a unanimous opinion would be (some GMs have been known to have questionable logic, Hextall would be one of the voters).

Hindsight is a gift and all but I'd hate to see what Bergevin would have paid
- Takemedrunkimhome

Very good point. MAB is still looking for a center, lol. Schenn would have fit the bill imo.

Hindsight is a gift and all but I'd hate to see what Bergevin would have paid
- Takemedrunkimhome

1st rounder was a steal for Schenn alone, only reason Lehtera was added was there was no cap space to make the trade. So Hextall did what he has been doing, hustled them out of another 1st rounder.

OK, but can you prove that he has no basis? We should at least give him the opportunity to poll the GMs before jumping to conclusions. I'm assuming he has some sort of source with each GM to have made that claim, especially considering how unlikely a circumstance a unanimous opinion would be (some GMs have been known to have questionable logic, Hextall would be one of the voters).
- dra4477

Wrong, since he made the dumb ass trade he does not get a vote. The only people voting should be outside the Philly fan base to get an honest opinion. Too much homerism going on in your city and blinded by the orange and black. The HNIC crew discussed this last year and they totally gave the Blues a big thumbs up and really could not understand what Hextall was thinking. Hextall is proving he is patient, stuborn and after five years he is still looking for a goalie. Hopefully CH is given the chance and makes good.

1st rounder was a steal for Schenn alone, only reason Lehtera was added was there was no cap space to make the trade. So Hextall did what he has been doing, hustled them out of another 1st rounder.
- Glak18

Habs had the space. Picked 25th

1st rounder was a steal for Schenn alone, only reason Lehtera was added was there was no cap space to make the trade. So Hextall did what he has been doing, hustled them out of another 1st rounder.
- Glak18

Do you really think a late 1st rounder for Schenn by itself was a steal?

Rangers are in need of a Marquis player. He's looking for a large market.

1st rounder was a steal for Schenn alone, only reason Lehtera was added was there was no cap space to make the trade. So Hextall did what he has been doing, hustled them out of another 1st rounder.
- Glak18

Only in Philadelphia does a player like Schenn get traded to a #29 overall draft pick who is no guarantee to even make the nhl. Frost will have to try and develop in the ahl after another year in junior. Hey I hope it works out for Philly but it is a huge gamble for Coma Man.

Habs had the space. Picked 25th
- Takemedrunkimhome

Hextall said in an interview that St. Louis called him during the draft and it was spur of the moment trade. Basically Hextall called the call and offer, jumped out of his sit and screamed "Hell Yeah".

Flyers get screwed on 1 Schenn trade and made up double time with the other.

Do you really think a late 1st rounder for Schenn by itself was a steal?
- carcus

I do, I really do. He had a surprise year in St. Louis last year, I would love to hear what you think after year 2.

To be fair, JoeG was around when the first ever NHL trade happened.
- Glak18

Thanks for the compliment but that is not true. I will however give you my honest opinion on anything you want to know. The Meltzer page is history for me, even good honest hockey opinions get mocked and a whole load of mobsters just jump in. Those guys really should learn to think for themselves.

I like how this thread has somehow devolved into overblown opinions about the merits (or lack there of) of Brayden Schenn.

Schenn is a solid 1C/2C, he is not a superstar/going to carry a line. That's not a knock on him, those types of players are rare.

It was a good trade for both teams, the Blues majorly upgraded the position without adding salary and the Flyers got 2 1st round picks for a player who was no longer in their long term plans since they already had Patrick, Couturier and Giroux (who was still a C).

Hextall said in an interview that St. Louis called him during the draft and it was spur of the moment trade. Basically Hextall called the call and offer, jumped out of his sit and screamed "Hell Yeah".

Flyers get screwed on 1 Schenn trade and made up double time with the other.
- Glak18

This is the proof I needed to confirm Hextall did not weigh his options. He basically bought the first car he looked at, He is a lousy at buying and selling. I know Hextall did not do the JVR/Luke Schenn deal but thank you Ron for correcting that was a bonehead trade that should never had happened, same with Bobrovsky for Mason, Hartnell for Umberber, or way back letting Sharp go for nothing.

I like how this thread has somehow devolved into overblown opinions about the merits (or lack there of) of Brayden Schenn.

Schenn is a solid 1C/2C, he is not a superstar/going to carry a line. That's not a knock on him, those types of players are rare.

It was a good trade for both teams, the Blues majorly upgraded the position without adding salary and the Flyers got 2 1st round picks for a player who was no longer in their long term plans since they already had Patrick, Couturier and Giroux (who was still a C).
- dra4477

I agree with this comment, Schenn needed out for sure, Flyers wanted picks. Time will tell for sure how the Flyers do in this deal.

Wrong, since he made the dumb ass trade he does not get a vote. The only people voting should be outside the Philly fan base to get an honest opinion. Too much homerism going on in your city and blinded by the orange and black. The HNIC crew discussed this last year and they totally gave the Blues a big thumbs up and really could not understand what Hextall was thinking. Hextall is proving he is patient, stuborn and after five years he is still looking for a goalie. Hopefully CH is given the chance and makes good.
- joegreif17

Your logic here is sound, but your proposed poll stated it would be a unanimous vote across the GMs. If certain GMs were excluded from the poll it should have been clarified in the proposal. Please revise.