Not a bad choice.. What's the bear population in the GTA?
- PatC80

Oh look. The twat can't handle people having a different opinion than him. How shocking.

But he'll argue for hours. For pages. And convince nobody his point of view is the right one. Such productivity. What a life one must lead to waste so much time accomplishing nothing.

- 21peter

Oh look. The twat can't handle people having a different opinion than him. How shocking.
- systemtool

- Glak18

Crap. Bryz is not coming here.

- Glak18

It's actually really high.

Oh look. The twat can't handle people having a different opinion than him. How shocking.

But he'll argue for hours. For pages. And convince nobody his point of view is the right one. Such productivity. What a life one must lead to waste so much time accomplishing nothing.
- systemtool

Lehtonen or Mason. Both with plenty of experience and better career numbers than who they have now.
- Unholy_Goalie

these guys are also injury prone. If I had to pick, I would go with Mason but rather use what the Leafs have now in the system.

No, Lehtonen and Mason have actually been much better for much longer. They've both been starters in the NHL, something none of the current Leafs back-ups have done successfully.

Lehtonen and Mason didn't play for defensive juggernauts either. And again, Pickard's sample size is a joke compared to two guys who played 400-600 games as starters.
- Unholy_Goalie

Yes. The Leafs don't need to blow $2M in cap for a question mark or the potential for a marginal improvement in their back-up, and even then it might not happen.

For someone accuses people of being selective in their arguments and who likes throw stats around, you saying "Lehtonen and Mason have actually been much better for much longer" is simply not true. In both cases , their career numbers, as well as their current situations prove that.

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We're done. Enough time has already been wasted on you.

Get rid of two of them. Keep Pickard as the AHL starter, trade Sparks and McElhinney and sign Lehtonen or Mason to a 1 year deal. Problem solved.
- Unholy_Goalie

yes, you are correct. What about the years after that?
yes, I know, they can always sign someone else.

Why are we so concerned with the amount of games a potential backup played as a starter?

these guys are also injury prone. If I had to pick, I would go with Mason but rather use what the Leafs have now in the system.
- dmnted

25-30 games is easier on their bodies than 55+ games. Nobody in the system is as proven as those two.

Why are we so concerned with the amount of games a potential backup played as a starter?
- burn

Because i posted their stats, so he had to change his argument.


TRADE MARNER AND SIGN JAGR BECAUSE GAMES PLAYED!

Also less proven which is why the veteran, former starters would be the more reliable option. It's far from irrelevant. Just because you got backed into a corner of your own illogical thoughts doesn't mean it's irrelevant.

Ryan Miller was a starter for the majority of his career and last year became a back-up in Anaheim. He had a great year and played 28 games which kept Gibson from doing what Andersen had to do last year.
- Unholy_Goalie

Yea the real reliable option of Steve Mason who had a losing record on one of the top teams in the league who's starter led the league in wins. Yea that reliable guy.

Yes. The Leafs don't need to blow $2M in cap for a question mark or the potential for a marginal improvement in their back-up, and even then it might not happen.
- As_I_See_It

They have the cap space, they'd almost be stupid not to upgrade their back-up options given how much rubber Andersen faced last year.

For someone accuses people of being selective in their arguments and who likes throw stats around, you saying "Lehtonen and Mason have actually been much better for much longer" is simply not true. In both cases , their career numbers, as well as their current situations prove that.

Lehtonen and Mason > Pickard, Sparks, McElhinney. Fact.

Why are we so concerned with the amount of games a potential backup played as a starter?
- burn

Well, let me tell you a story about my uncle jed, he said that if the goalie get hit with this rube puck thingy and plays a bunch of games, like 66 out 82. He'll be tired for the playoffs and the Leafs would not advanced pass the 1st round.
Now there another tail of the untrusted the Leafs currently have and that's all I'm going to say on that ... want some chocolates ....

Yea the real reliable option of Steve Mason who had a losing record on one of the top teams in the league who's starter led the league in wins. Yea that reliable guy.
- harps43

Still proven more as an NHL goalie than the options the Leafs currently have. And Mason was injured last year, not for a lack of ability.

Lehtonen and Mason > Pickard, Sparks, McElhinney. Fact.

Arguable, and even if they are definitively better, it isn't worth the contract spot and cap space. Leafs need to save cap for the ELC bonuses so they don't get pushed into next year when the cap crunch actually happens.

Because i posted their stats, so he had to change his argument.


TRADE MARNER AND SIGN JAGR BECAUSE GAMES PLAYED!
- Steven_Seagull

How's Marner gonna feel playing in Kladno?

Still proven more as an NHL goalie than the options the Leafs currently have. And Mason was injured last year, not for a lack of ability.
- Unholy_Goalie

He gave up 5 goals a game every game for the first week until the Peg gave up on him because he was trash.

25-30 games is easier on their bodies than 55+ games. Nobody in the system is as proven as those two.
- Unholy_Goalie

would you rather have an old goat or a young one?


For me, the young one.

Why are we so concerned with the amount of games a potential backup played as a starter?
- burn

Ryan Miller was a starter for years and became a very effective back-up last year. It's showing that they are capable NHL goalies compared to three guys who have been journeyman back-ups, AHLers or borderline NHLers.

How's Marner gonna feel playing in Kladno?
- PatC80

Who cares? It’s his fault for being young.

Four goalies in the system, two of which aren't waiver eligible. Better go sign another goalie, that is a lateral upgrade at best right?

would you rather have an old goat or a young on?


For me, the young one.
- dmnted

Pickard has similar career stats and is younger. Also, he’s ALREADY SIGNED. Nah, grass is always greener...