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PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Jul 24 @ 3:43 PM ET
Only if we also sign fringe prospect Myles Maltz and convert him to defence.

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...s/pdisplay.php?pid=144129

Then we could have the Maltz-Schmaltz pairing.

- Atomic Wedgie



We can always try to bring Matt Gilroy back, he's still playing in Europe;

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...ts/pdisplay.php?pid=77464
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 24 @ 3:47 PM ET
We can always try to bring Matt Gilroy back, he's still playing in Europe;

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...ts/pdisplay.php?pid=77464

- PatC80

jribout
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 01.24.2011

Jul 24 @ 3:49 PM ET
What timing...

www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/...lan/ar-AAAmv2e?li=AAggXBR

- Woderwick


Perfect. Sounds like its too late for UG's old goalies and he can work with the younger ones
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Jul 24 @ 3:52 PM ET
Washington Capitals‏Verified account @Capitals · 7m7 minutes ago


NEWS | Capitals sign defenseman Brooks Orpik to a one-year contract with an average annual value of $1 million #ALLCAPS



If it's a 1 year deal, why are they taking the average annual value into account?
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Jul 24 @ 3:55 PM ET
If it's a 1 year deal, why are they taking the average annual value into account?
- PatC80

Too bad. Would have been a great 3rd pair with Dermott
Deeps27
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 24 @ 4:28 PM ET
If it's a 1 year deal, why are they taking the average annual value into account?
- PatC80

Because annual means year.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jul 24 @ 4:34 PM ET
Because annual means year.
- Deeps27


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TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Jul 24 @ 4:40 PM ET
Because annual means year.
- Deeps27


plantheparade
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Hyman MVP
Joined: 07.04.2018

Jul 24 @ 5:06 PM ET
What timing...

www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/...lan/ar-AAAmv2e?li=AAggXBR

- Woderwick


wonderful plagiat from the wheeler article 3 days ago on theathletic.
guess this fox guy will be done quickly
Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Jul 24 @ 5:11 PM ET


2. You cannot suggest that it would be wise to get a proven NHL goalie as a backup, and at the same time advocate to bring in KHL mediocre goalies for that exact same job --> these guys have 0 NHL experience.

- plantheparade[please try and think before you make an argument, mr x].


False. There are plenty of very good goalies who play in Europe, some of them were signed by NHL teams after leading the KHL in many key categories (Francouz). The KHL skill level is higher than the AHL so if a goalie can lead the KHL, he's worth looking at as a back-up.

3. The Leafs have a guy that has proven NHL backup goalie experience. McElhinney will be part of the team's roster at start of the season.


Who at his absolutely best was still only given 18 games. Obviously, Babcock is either stupid and ran Andersen into the ground intentionally or he doesn't trust McElhinney enough to play him more than 18 games. The Leafs need a back-up who can play 25-30 games. McElhinney played well last year but chances are, he won't be that good again.

At the end of the day, it is what it is - Leafs goaltending isn't great (both starter's position and backup options), but definitely good enough to challenge for a Stanley Cup.


"At the end of the day" they need a back-up who can play 25-30 games so Andersen doesn't have to face 2,200 shots again this year.
Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Jul 24 @ 5:13 PM ET
Dont the leafs already have a proven backup? One that had great stats last year.
- Fakepartofme


A career year and still wasn't trusted to play more than 18 games despite the fact that Andersen was forced to face 2,200 shots. You'd think McElhinney would have played more if he was really that good and/or trusted by Babcock.
plantheparade
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Hyman MVP
Joined: 07.04.2018

Jul 24 @ 5:16 PM ET
A career year and still wasn't trusted to play more than 18 games despite the fact that Andersen was forced to face 2,200 shots. You'd think McElhinney would have played more if he was really that good and/or trusted by Babcock.
- Unholy_Goalie

how many back to back games did andersen play?
no need for a backup to play more than one of the 2 back to back games if the starter is healthy.
Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Jul 24 @ 5:22 PM ET
how many back to back games did andersen play?
no need for a backup to play more than one of the 2 back to back games if the starter is healthy.

- plantheparade


It's not just the back-to-back games, it's the volume of shots he faces per game and per season. He faced a league high 2,211 shots. Yes, there is a damn good reason to have the back-up play more often, especially against bottom feeder teams. It's not just about back-to-back games when Andersen is facing a league high number of shots against per game.

2,211 shots over 66 games is 33.33 shots per game. If he played 55 games and the back-up was capable of playing 27, that's 367 fewer shots and 11 fewer games Andersen has to face. Still a lot of shots but a lot easier on his body over the course of an entire season and keeps him fresh for the playoffs where he gave up almost 4 goals a game average.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jul 24 @ 5:29 PM ET
It's not just the back-to-back games, it's the volume of shots he faces per game and per season. He faced a league high 2,211 shots. Yes, there is a damn good reason to have the back-up play more often, especially against bottom feeder teams. It's not just about back-to-back games when Andersen is facing a league high number of shots against per game.

2,211 shots over 66 games is 33.33 shots per game. If he played 55 games and the back-up was capable of playing 27, that's 367 fewer shots and 11 fewer games Andersen has to face. Still a lot of shots but a lot easier on his body over the course of an entire season and keeps him fresh for the playoffs where he gave up almost 4 goals a game average.

- Unholy_Goalie


Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jul 24 @ 5:29 PM ET
ug may never read this he was a little busy on the danforth on sunday.
- The Deal Man

Not funny.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jul 24 @ 5:30 PM ET
In other hilarious news:

https://www.politico.com/...de-aid-for-farmers-737108

plantheparade
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Hyman MVP
Joined: 07.04.2018

Jul 24 @ 5:30 PM ET
It's not just the back-to-back games, it's the volume of shots he faces per game and per season. He faced a league high 2,211 shots. Yes, there is a damn good reason to have the back-up play more often, especially against bottom feeder teams. It's not just about back-to-back games when Andersen is facing a league high number of shots against per game.

2,211 shots over 66 games is 33.33 shots per game. If he played 55 games and the back-up was capable of playing 27, that's 367 fewer shots and 11 fewer games Andersen has to face. Still a lot of shots but a lot easier on his body over the course of an entire season and keeps him fresh for the playoffs where he gave up almost 4 goals a game average.

- Unholy_Goalie


considering you have no idea how this works, it's best for yourself to not further go into this. you really have 0 idea how this works.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jul 24 @ 5:30 PM ET
Only if we also sign fringe prospect Myles Maltz and convert him to defence.

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...s/pdisplay.php?pid=144129

Then we could have the Maltz-Schmaltz pairing.

- Atomic Wedgie


Who the (frank) is that

But still, I'd like the Leafs to get someone like him...then when they can actually use their cap space. Trade for a good rental at the TDL.

They are in a unique spot where they can absorb any rentals contract without having to give any salary out.
The Deal Man
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.28.2007

Jul 24 @ 5:31 PM ET
Not funny.
- Atomic Wedgie

cry then.
Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Jul 24 @ 5:31 PM ET
Not funny.
- Atomic Wedgie


Not even close.
Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Jul 24 @ 5:32 PM ET
considering you have no idea how this works, it's best for yourself to not further go into this. you really have 0 idea how this works.
- plantheparade


Name me a single goalie in the past 25 years that has faced 2,000+ shots during the season and won a Stanley Cup. I'll wait.
Richard Frank
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Richardface Motherfranker, ON
Joined: 06.29.2017

Jul 24 @ 5:42 PM ET
But are Reese's Peanut Butter cups considered to be under the chocolate bar family, or are they there own category? #chocobuzz
- Archaic

They are a chocolate bar, and a very good one.
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Jul 24 @ 5:42 PM ET
ug may never read this he was a little busy on the danforth on sunday.
- The Deal Man



ban yourself.
Richard Frank
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Richardface Motherfranker, ON
Joined: 06.29.2017

Jul 24 @ 5:42 PM ET
Because annual means year.
- Deeps27

No it means in the bum.
plantheparade
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Hyman MVP
Joined: 07.04.2018

Jul 24 @ 5:43 PM ET
Name me a single goalie in the past 25 years that has faced 2,000+ shots during the season and won a Stanley Cup. I'll wait.
- Unholy_Goalie


it's clear you don't understand sample size

edit:

you're making some assumptions on cause-effect.
it is clear that teams that give up a lot of shots per game, have less chance to win a SC. basically it means that they are not very good defensively.

nothing to do with the goalie per se - a few extra shots per game surely does not make the difference between being overplayed/tired and rested.

number of games surely have an influence, but until you come with a statistically relevant overview on relation between #minutes played and save percentage, better revise your opinions.
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