Have a wager going with my buddies.. who will the flyers starting goalie be by the stadium series game ?

A. Lyon
B. Hart
C. Elliot
D. Neuvirth
E. other: name the goalie
- Tfaehner

If this is who will start that game, then...
A. Lyon

More like tk 1st rounder and a prospect.
- Tfaehner

I don’t think teams are going to pony up trades for the Bread man if he heavily expresses no desire to sign in Columbus. Why bother when he’ll be a UFA

You truly believe Flyers would of selected Morgan Frost higher in the first round then selected someone else with their later pick?

I'm going with Martin Necas.

EDIT: Does that include the assumption Schenn never gets traded?
- Glak18

They had Frost right in that range, which was why they were unanimous (not just consensus).on taking him after the Schenn trade was made. Unless someone higher on list unexpectedly fell to the Flyers (had they not won the lottery), Frost would have been right in mix for them. They only care about their own internal rankings, no one else's.

I don’t think teams are going to pony up trades for the Bread man if he heavily expresses no desire to sign in Columbus. Why bother when he’ll be a UFA
- arichardson22

Because every team in the nhl can sign him if he goes to ufa vs you get exclusive chance to bring him in and try and sign him for less. I dont see hexy winning a bidding war and I dont think we are appealing enough to be someone top choice to sign for less in the open market.

Because every team in the nhl can sign him if he goes to ufa vs you get exclusive chance to bring him in and try and sign him for less. I dont see hexy winning a bidding war and I dont think we are appealing enough to be someone top choice to sign for less in the open market.
- Tfaehner

Normally Panarin’s value would be insane and it could be argued he’s a franchise player. But it’s not a soon-to-be UFA superstar like recent examples. (Tavares, Stamkos, hell even EK) with his vocal desire to want to play elsewhere + have a deadline for an extension. with Stamkos and JT, they both expressed desires to remain with their current teams. I guess the teams Panarin (“big market teams” supposedly) with interest could get in a bidding game but hell I’d be scared he runs back to CHI in any given situation with his history there

I know I've said it before, but as soon as the Devils picked Zacha, I had this fantasy of Hexy getting up fro his chair, pushing people out of the way as he ran to the stage and just screamed into the microphone "PROVOROV, GIVE US (frank)ING PROVOROV!!!"
- jmatchett383

I think he pretty much did that.......minus all the hysterics....


I know I was screaming at the TV, "Provorov, TAKE (frank)ING PROVOROV!!!!"

Normally Panarin’s value would be insane and it could be argued he’s a franchise player. But it’s not a soon-to-be UFA superstar like recent examples. (Tavares, Stamkos, hell even EK) with his vocal desire to want to play elsewhere + have a deadline for an extension. with Stamkos and JT, they both expressed desires to remain with their current teams. I guess the teams Panarin (“big market teams” supposedly) with interest could get in a bidding game but hell I’d be scared he runs back to CHI in any given situation with his history there
- arichardson22

Or Vegas who is searching for stars and has the cap plus the rumor that panarin model girlfriend wants to be a premier destination for her own career.

They had Frost right in that range, which was why they were unanimous (not just consensus).on taking him after the Schenn trade was made. Unless someone higher on list unexpectedly fell to the Flyers (had they not won the lottery), Frost would have been right in mix for them. They only care about their own internal rankings, no one else's.
- bmeltzer

The Flyers scouting department is ELITE. No other way to put it.

I think he pretty much did that.......minus all the hysterics....


I know I was screaming at the TV, "Provorov, TAKE (frank)ING PROVOROV!!!!"
- MBFlyerfan

My friends and I have an annual draft party at C&P is South Philly. After we saw Zacha get taken, we were all hyped for Provorov. However, since we were at the bar, there was no sound. After Provorov got taken, they didn't show his name on the screen, so it took us a solid minute or so to see if we'd actually gotten him.



Compare this to the other picks like Konecny where they show the name as soon as he's taken:

They had Frost right in that range, which was why they were unanimous (not just consensus).on taking him after the Schenn trade was made. Unless someone higher on list unexpectedly fell to the Flyers (had they not won the lottery), Frost would have been right in mix for them. They only care about their own internal rankings, no one else's.
- bmeltzer

Ok, I know you have mentioned in the past about the Flyers ranking of Frost, so to me that makes it that much more of a steal to get Patrick AND still landing a guy who they were so high on.

Thank you gravity.

My friends and I have an annual draft party at C&P is South Philly. After we saw Zacha get taken, we were all hyped for Provorov. However, since we were at the bar, there was no sound. After Provorov got taken, they didn't show his name on the screen, so it took us a solid minute or so to see if we'd actually gotten him.



Compare this to the other picks like Konecny where they show the name as soon as he's taken:


- jmatchett383

Provorov getting up and hugging everyone didn't give it away?

I didn't bother to read what Boruk wrote, I never do. But here are five of the best trades in Flyers history.

In 1973
TO PHI: the rights to Bernie Parent
TO TOR: Doug Favell
Shouldn't even need to explain this one.

In 1974
To PHI: Reggie Leach
TO OAK: Al McAdam, Larry Wright a 1974 1st (Ron Chipperfield) and future considerations.
McAdam ending up being a solid player, but nowhere near the impact player Leach was during much of his time with the Flyers. His playoff run in 1976 when he scored 19 goals in 16 games is one of the all time great NHL playoff performances. The rest of the Oakland acquisitions were totally forgettable.

In 1982
TO PHL: Mark Howe, 1983 3rd (Derrick Smith)
TO HAR: Ken Linseman, Greg Adams, 1983 1st (David Jensen), 1983 3rd (Leif Carlsson)
Basically the Flyers acquired a the best Dman in team history and future hall of famer along with a pick that became a solid checking forward for a 2nd line center, a role player and 2 picks that were both busts.

In 1995
TO PHI: John Leclair, Eric Desjardins, Gilbert Dionne
TO MON: Mark Recchi, 1995 3rd (Martin Hohenberger)
Read Bill's blog for the skinny on this one, suffice to say it was a great deal for the Flyers

In 2007: This is basically a 2 parter, first..
TO PHI: Scottie Upshall, Ryan Parent, 2007 1st and 3rd
TO NAS: Peter Forsberg
and next...
TO PHI: the rights to Kimmo Timonen and Scott Hartnell
TO NAS: Nashville's 2007 1st
The Flyers were in full rebuilding mode at this point and were able to turn Peter Forsberg and his chronically afflicted feet into Kimmo Timonen, Scott Hartnell and Scottie Upshall. This was probably the best move made by Paul Holmgren during his entire tenure as GM.

Honorable mentions:
The Macleish deal in 1971
The Brind'amour deal in 1991
The Coburn deal in 2007
- BiggE

BiggE, Lindros trade not on the list?

BiggE, Lindros trade not on the list?
- JW98FlyerFan

It’s a good trade, perhaps even very good, but when you consider another hall of fame player (Forsberg) went the other way, I can’t rate it as one of the best.

My friends and I have an annual draft party at C&P is South Philly. After we saw Zacha get taken, we were all hyped for Provorov. However, since we were at the bar, there was no sound. After Provorov got taken, they didn't show his name on the screen, so it took us a solid minute or so to see if we'd actually gotten him.



Compare this to the other picks like Konecny where they show the name as soon as he's taken:


- jmatchett383

Sounds like a must attend event

Provorov getting up and hugging everyone didn't give it away?
- YuenglingJagr

I didn't know his face.

Boruk has no fashion sense. Are we also surprised that his hockey trade list is sub par?

Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits and Musings: Farabee, Provorov, Simmonds, Best Trades & More
- bmeltzer

Didn’t read the article but the Forsberg deal was the gift that kept giving. The Recchi trade for LeClair and Desjardins I agree shouldn’t be any lower than second in history. I was always a fan of the Brind’Amour for Primeau deal. Sad to see one dedicated guy go but we got one in return. The Coburn deal was just robbing the thrashers at gun point.

I didn't know his face.
- jmatchett383

Its interesting how they keep talking about Konecny as not being quick.

Didn’t read the article but the Forsberg deal was the gift that kept giving. The Recchi trade for LeClair and Desjardins I agree shouldn’t be any lower than second in history. I was always a fan of the Brind’Amour for Primeau deal. Sad to see one dedicated guy go but we got one in return. The Coburn deal was just robbing the thrashers at gun point.
- SuperSchennBros

Agree on the Coburn deal, it just wasn't as impactful as some of the others. And I'm not knocking Coburn, he was a very dood defenseman, but he didn't change the team as much as the other deals.

I think the Stadium Series is a joke and, like most things the NHL does, they killed one of the best ideas they ever had (Winter Classic) by massively overdoing it.
- jmatchett383

yup

If I never hear another "skating on a frozen pond when he was 5 years old" story it'll be too soon.

yup

If I never hear another "skating on a frozen pond when he was 5 years old" story it'll be too soon.
- Scoob

As of 2000, I doubt more than 15% of the kids drafted learned to skate and play hockey on a frozen pond. Not saying they didn't do it, but they were most likely playing on organized leagues at indoor facilities.

As of 2000, I doubt more than 15% of the kids drafted learned to skate and play hockey on a frozen pond. Not saying they didn't do it, but they were most likely playing on organized leagues at indoor facilities.
- jmatchett383

Yup - and I'll guess the number is much lower than 15%

My friends and I have an annual draft party at C&P is South Philly. After we saw Zacha get taken, we were all hyped for Provorov. However, since we were at the bar, there was no sound. After Provorov got taken, they didn't show his name on the screen, so it took us a solid minute or so to see if we'd actually gotten him.



Compare this to the other picks like Konecny where they show the name as soon as he's taken:


- jmatchett383

In the Ivan Provorov clip, they mentioned that the 2015 draft was a critical draft. I think the upcoming season is a critical year. The islanders got worse. The Canes got worse. We clearly got better. We can’t just squeeze into the playoffs, we have to get a third or second spot away from the wild card. It’s up to Hakstol the lead the way with smart management behind the bench.

It’s an absolute pleasure to watch Provorov and Konecny play. Simmonds, Provorov, JvR, Giroux and Konecny are my top five players on this team.

It’s a good trade, perhaps even very good, but when you consider another hall of fame player (Forsberg) went the other way, I can’t rate it as one of the best.
- BiggE

Fair enough, just wanted to know your thoughts as the trade did change the trajectory of the Flyers immediately where I did not see Forsberg making that kind of individual impact on the Flyers team regardless of his offensive talents if he was not traded (with the parts that were on the Flyers team). He did have Sakic and Roy with him on the team that became a SCF contender. Lindros' arrival made the Flyers a new team and changed the league. I will also say that the Lindros arrival also did create a new generation of Flyers fans and created a buzz that was not there before this trade occurred. I see your point though that when looking at the players/picks that moved, this was a slightly net positive for the Flyers, but I think when you look at impact to the organization, I felt it should have been on the list, or at least an honorable mention.

Agree on the Coburn deal, it just wasn't as impactful as some of the others. And I'm not knocking Coburn, he was a very dood defenseman, but he didn't change the team as much as the other deals.
- jmatchett383

I thought Coburn moving up with Timonen in 2008 made a huge impact. One of the best top pairs in Flyers history.