Some Examples of guys Hawks brought in the NHL to varying degrees of success, but they played NHL minutes.

Keith - 2nd Round - Age 22
Seabrook - 1st Round - Age 20
Leddy - 1st Round - Age 19
Wisniewski - 5th Round - Age 21/22
Burish - 9th Round - Age 24
Kane - 1st Round - Age 19
Toews - 1st Round - Age 19
Byfluglien - 8th Round - Age 20-22 (He was up and down)
Brouwer - 7th Round - Age 23
Barker - 1st Round - Age 20
Bickell - 2nd Round - Age 24
Bolland - 2nd Round - Age 21
Hjalmarsson - 4th Round - Age 20-22
Kruger - 5th Round - Age 20-21
Shaw - 5th Round - Age 20
Saad - 2nd Round - Age 20
Teravinen - 1st Round - Age 20
Hartman - 1st Round - Age 22

The current prospect pool might not be as talented, but I think there could be some NHL players in the system who are in similar situations sitting around age 19-23 and could play minutes soon. The Hawks don't need to add a ton of superstar players, but if they could fill a couple more holes it will help.
- breadbag

Those ages can't be right. People like oldduffman will tell you that Q doesn't like young players.

Don Cherry even admitted that when he watched Rick Nash as a junior he had no idea that Nash would turn out to be such a successful NHLer.

- stevefrmglencoe

Source? Rick Nash is a bad example. He spent two years in London, scored 30 goals first year and in his second, he was the only undrafted player besides Bouwmeester on Canada's WJC roster. Maybe when he was younger, but in juniors, Nash was hardly a secret.

I don't care if you agree with me. It's factual, not opinion-based. Superstar players that came into the NHL young would not have become better players playing in the AHL for a year. You made a blanket statement and it was wrong.
- Hawks_49

My point was more of how many were brought in and struggled or careers were hurt.

Think that might be a bigger number.

I also don't know who you are talking about, Crosby, Kane, McDavid, etc. I'm not talking about Russians who came over at an older age.

Just 18 or 19 yr olds who didn't need it.

You really do live in your own little fantasy world - don't you.

I mean seriously - do you really think if you keep repeating the same nonsense over and over, then it somehow becomes true???
- dahawks8819

What part of that is fantasy .The part were Vinny spoke up . The part about Q running a blender on the lines . The part about not giving young players a defined role . Or maybe Q pathetic PP .. Come on smart guy tell how it really is ,,

6'3" 224, with skill and a bit of edge. Signed 3 year contract last year with CSKA Moskova, so no chance he is here this year.
- Revco38

Damn, too bad, but I thought there was some kind of out clause or transfer agreement when it came to those overseas leagues

Source? Rick Nash is a bad example. He spent two years in London, scored 30 goals first year and in his second, he was the only undrafted player besides Bouwmeester on Canada's WJC roster. Maybe when he was younger, but in juniors, Nash was hardly a secret.
- stonefire

Thanks for the note. I heard him say it on TV. I just did a Google search to see if I could link it back but I'm not a good enough searcher. As I recall, Don Cherry at one point owned an OHL team and spent a lot of time watching the league. Cherry said on TV that he knew Nash would be good but Nash wasn't the dominant player in the OHL at that point. Cherry was crediting scouts who figured out that at the next level Nash would be more dominant than he was in Junior.

My point was it is hard to draft.

One time many years ago when the development camp was in Bensenville and there were only about 25 hard core fans watching I saw Bill Wirtz and asked me, "How come the Hawks are so bad at drafting?" He turned to me and said "Drafting is like picking Horses. It ain't easy."

Points well taken and well said but I think Karlsson in 6ft.

The others are 30 point guys. Nice players but not needle movers.

I think the top defensemen, the guys who put up points and coaches play more than 15 minutes per game are still big and strong.

I wish the Hawks would draft bigger.
- stevefrmglencoe

Its not always how big the player is, its what's inside the player heart, character, grit and the willingness to do whatever is needed to win. Example Theo Fleruy Andrew Shaw, Pat Verbeek etc.. Those players were not big in size but big in heart and passion. Yes I agree size is good only if it used right just because 6 4" 220lb doesn't mean anything.

What part of that is fantasy .The part were Vinny spoke up . The part about Q running a blender on the lines . The part about not giving young players a defined role . Or maybe Q pathetic PP .. Come on smart guy tell how it really is ,,
- oldduffman

What role should Hinostroza have had? Hartman? Top-6 scorers? Third line checkers? Fourth line energy?

How can a coach define a role if no one - coach, skater, Internet voices - don’t know their true capabilities yet. We don’t know what role Schmaltz should play yet - Center, wing....

Instead of forcing young players into a role, maybe coaches should get them into various positions over time and see where their true talents emerge - especially on a team going nowhere today, so that maybe they can contribute in the right place tomorrow.

And if the skater doesn’t like it - tough poop - go out and produce in whatever position you’re put in. Become a complete versatile hockey player.

Of course, maybe that should be happening in the “A” instead of the show, but....

Damn, too bad, but I thought there was some kind of out clause or transfer agreement when it came to those overseas leagues
- wonthecup10

No current signed agreement between NHL and KHL

Its not always how big the player is, its what's inside the player heart, character, grit and the willingness to do whatever is needed to win. Example Theo Fleruy Andrew Shaw, Pat Verbeek etc.. Those players were not big in size but big in heart and passion. Yes I agree size is good only if it used right just because 6 4" 220lb doesn't mean anything.
- Scott1977

No question heart is #1. I think DeBrincat looks pretty good. I hope he doesn't have a sophomore slump, typically 50% of players drop off in year 2. At the same time I think Vinnie was dealt partially because DeBrincat and Kane are going to get a lot of ice time and the other lines are going to have to be grittier and bigger. Size is still a priority.

I am amazed at Marchand. How does a guy of that size end up this fast, this savvy, this dirty and this successful?

I don’t follow the overseas stock that much, is it true that kid Shalunov is 6”4 220 with High end skill,? If so, Any chance of him coming over here for training camp? What kind of player is he? Hopefully could put some numbers up and not afraid to go into the dirty areas.
- wonthecup10

I can't wait for your posts when/if this guy gets here and he's not be able or willing to punch his way out of a paper bag.

Thanks for the note. I heard him say it on TV. I just did a Google search to see if I could link it back but I'm not a good enough searcher. As I recall, Don Cherry at one point owned an OHL team and spent a lot of time watching the league. Cherry said on TV that he knew Nash would be good but Nash wasn't the dominant player in the OHL at that point. Cherry was crediting scouts who figured out that at the next level Nash would be more dominant than he was in Junior.

My point was it is hard to draft.

One time many years ago when the development camp was in Bensenville and there were only about 25 hard core fans watching I saw Bill Wirtz and asked me, "How come the Hawks are so bad at drafting?" He turned to me and said "Drafting is like picking Horses. It ain't easy."
- stevefrmglencoe

I agree, there is so many factors and moving pieces in play. But Nash I remember, because I was there at the WJC game between Canada and Finland in 2001, played in Pardubice, CZ. And he was the only one in Canada's lineup who I didn't know anything about.

Funny thing is, Mike Cammalleri, Brad Boyes and Jared Aulin were the top guns, this line was unstoppable at the tournament. Jarrett Stoll was noticeable too, but Jason Spezza not so much. Tuomo Ruutu was on that Finnish team, but Jarkko Immonen was their best player IMO. He has had a nice career in Europe, but didn't find glory with New York Rangers.

What role should Hinostroza have had? Hartman? Top-6 scorers? Third line checkers? Fourth line energy?

How can a coach define a role if no one - coach, skater, Internet voices - don’t know their true capabilities yet. We don’t know what role Schmaltz should play yet - Center, wing....

Instead of forcing young players into a role, maybe coaches should get them into various positions over time and see where their true talents emerge - especially on a team going nowhere today, so that maybe they can contribute in the right place tomorrow.

And if the skater doesn’t like it - tough poop - go out and produce in whatever position you’re put in. Become a complete versatile hockey player.

Of course, maybe that should be happening in the “A” instead of the show, but....
- StLBravesFan

Vinny a top six player with his vision ,Hartman 3rd line PK .Hartman should also have been allowed to play the agitator a bit , but Q frown on that . And you are correct if you want experiment with players the best place is in the A .

I can't wait for your posts when/if this guy gets here and he's not be able or willing to punch his way out of a paper bag.
- 6628

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 you know the drill! 😂😂😂Actually I was thinking of getting out one of my old VHS tapes of the 70s and watching the Flyers and Rangers, Behn Wilson vs. Nick Fotiu,Talk about a hell of a fight. Just for old time sake

Regarding Hinostroza, I posted this in the last blog so just cutting and pasting that post here:

IMHO, Hinostroza was a "nice to have" player but not a "must have" player. There are prospects in the system who do the same as him and possibly better like Soderlund, From, or even Barratt. Not a huge loss in the long term. In the short term, European free agents like Kahun and Nilsson could potentially take Hinostroza's spot for the next few years.
- AEL_Fox

A nice balance of speed, grit, talent among those prospects. Each plays next season in their current situation, then one year at Rockford for these type forwards is likely all they need. If that. I know there is a call to not rush them. But their style and attributes allow for excellent third and fourth line hungry, improving players even should they ascend sooner than some might suggest.

One word of caution, is that I do not think that Q is the best coach. While Q is not necessarily bad news for young players, he is not the closest coach to ideal for a team which will be bringing in many new players next few years. Q is better served as a head coach elsewhere. How long does Q current contract last?

What role should Hinostroza have had? Hartman? Top-6 scorers? Third line checkers? Fourth line energy?

How can a coach define a role if no one - coach, skater, Internet voices - don’t know their true capabilities yet. We don’t know what role Schmaltz should play yet - Center, wing....

Instead of forcing young players into a role, maybe coaches should get them into various positions over time and see where their true talents emerge - especially on a team going nowhere today, so that maybe they can contribute in the right place tomorrow.

And if the skater doesn’t like it - tough poop - go out and produce in whatever position you’re put in. Become a complete versatile hockey player.

Of course, maybe that should be happening in the “A” instead of the show, but....
- StLBravesFan

This

Vinny a top six player with his vision ,Hartman 3rd line PK .Hartman should also have been allowed to play the agitator a bit , but Q frown on that . And you are correct if you want experiment with players the best place is in the A .
- oldduffman

On what really good NHL team is Vinny a Top 6 forward? Answer: None. He just isn't good enough to be a real difference maker with an NHL contender.

But I give the kid credit, he went down to Rockford, kept his mouth shut and played hard and got recalled. And then played OK in Chicago and turned that stint into a fairly nice new contract.

Crying the blues over guys like Vinny, Duclair and Hartman is crazy, none of them are more than minor contributors at the NHL level and the Hawks made that big picture evaluation and moved all of them out.

Why is it when a fringe 4th liner gets traded out, its Q that used him incorrectly. Watching Hino, he played in the middle of the ice, is contact adverse, and has no D. A average 4th liner at best.
- riozzo

Vinny is a good "hometown" kid by all accounts. He is not the trouble-maker and represented the Hawks well and attended many community functions for them as well. Yes, he was bounced up and down the lines and with different line mates so it was difficult for him to adjust and acclimate especially as a young player. He was even on the top PP unit for a bit playing the off wing (Sharpy's) but did not look to shoot but rather go across the box to Kane. It is my belief that if Vinny had a more defined role
he would have been more consistent. Repetition and confidence are huge!!! He was small but fiesty and backchecked well. I think he is suited to be 4-9 type forward and as I said previously the difference with Vinny compared to Sikura is Vinny goes fast, faster, and fastest where Sikura can better slow the game down in his head, thus better suited for play making.

Not $95 anymore. I just got an offer from the Hawks emailed to me last week of $25 3-day passes, just for buying some $5 tickets to a Chicago Pro Hockey League Game! That is definitely telling. And no, we’re not going. Good deal, but it just looks like too many crowds for my taste.
- BDT36

For $25 I'd go. Is there a code or something you can share?

I think they have really have pulled out all the stops to get people there. Roenick and Chelly?

Vinny a top six player with his vision ,Hartman 3rd line PK .Hartman should also have been allowed to play the agitator a bit , but Q frown on that . And you are correct if you want experiment with players the best place is in the A .
- oldduffman

Sorry, Vinnie is just not a top 6 player. Look at any recent Cup team and tell me how he matches up against any teams top 2 lines. Can he slide up and play a few games as a fill in, sure, so can a whole lot of guys.

A disciplined and consistent Hartmann is a good fit for a third line role.

What if Stan is secretly a genius and is playing 4D chess with Columbus?

2017: Stan meets with Artemi, tells him 'look we're going to trade you to get Saad back, but we want you to come back as UFA in two years.' Artemi reluctantly agrees.

2018: Jarmo says 'hey Artemi, how about an extension, we love you?
Artemi says 'my heart is taken, by a one true 5-star man'
Rumors fly

2019: Artemi is still on Columbus, gets traded at the deadline to a contender. New team has a decent playoff run, says 'hey Artemi, we loved your play. How about a big fat extension?'
Artemi says 'I have 88 reasons why you are not adequate'

2019: Artemi signs with the Blackhawks at $7x5 years. Panarin-Toews-Kane form the best line in hockey.



- ObeseOprah[wraps tinfoil on head harder]
2019: Arizona decides that they're done paying people to not play for them. They buy out Hossa's remaining contract for the last two years. Hossa had been receiving stem cell treatment in Slovakia, the same doctor who cured Chara's aging last year. Hossa signs a 1-year league minimum deal with the Hawks.
Cup win.

I think that's exactly what Bowman did.

Bowman trading Panarin for Saad just made no sense at all.. Bowman knows he going to be a UFA next summer, and at that point Panarin will be 27 which is still young enough to sign him long-term.... I think Bowman's logic was get Saad back and hopefully he will compensate for at least some of the offensive production lost by trading Panarin, then re-sign Panarin as a UFA on July 1st, 2019... I mean Bowman is certainly setting himself up to be in a cap position to do that next summer.. We all know Panarin loved it here in Chicago, especially playing with Kane (they were certainly dynamic duo, and perfect partners for each other)....Of course Bowman clearly has a history of bringing back players he was forced to trade for cap reasons - so this theory is not as far fetched as many will claim it is.... And I've been saying this was Bowman's plan for Panarin all along.... Look, when Saad was traded the first time (for Anisimov, Dano) I had a feeling Saad would be back - he was just too damn good of a fit just to "trade" him, and I had the same exact feeling when Bowman traded Panarin for Saad - the first thought that popped into my mind was "Panarin will be back"...

And now Panarin is basically subtly telling Columbus that he has no intentions at all to re-sign, Bowman has cleared the cap space to re-sign him... I mean 2+2=4... I mean it's kinda odd that Bowman gets rid of Hossa's contract and Panarin says he has no interest in signing in Columbus all in the same week.. IMO, that was basically Bowman telling Panarin he plans to re-sign him next summer and Panarin's refusal to sign an extension with Columbus was a head-nod (or signal) to Bowman saying "the plan is still on" lol..... I know this level of collusion sounds silly, but I'm sure Bowman and Panarin had a nice chat explaining all of this before he was traded....I mean this reunion is inevitable..

Now the real question is does Bowman try to acquire him via trade at some point or does Bowman remain patient and wait until July 1st of next summer? I mean obviously it would take a lot of quality assets such as Schmaltz, DeBrincat, one of our defensive studs and/or a first round pick to bring him back via trade.. It would be nice if Ansisimov was part of the deal... Perhaps 3-4 of Anisimov, Shalunov, Nalimov, Connor Murphy, Forsling, Hayden, Sikura ++ A first round pick 2019 or 20 (Hawks choice) could get it done, and if it only cost the Hawks 2-4 of those guys and the pick I wouldn't be upset at all..... Of course the smartest thing to do would be to save the assets and sign if as a UFA if the asking price is still astronomical at the traded deadline..

Either way I truly believe Panarin will be back with the Hawks within a year (perhaps 7 years @ 8-9.5 per season), and when that happens the Hawks will have a pretty scary top 6:

Saad-Toews-DeBrincat
Panarin-Schmaltz-Kane

Every one of those guys has 30 goal potential.

However what do the Hawks do about the 2nd line left wing hole in the mean time? I mean I would have no issue if Bowman traded Anisimov, Shalunov & Murphy or Forsling to the Habs for Patches or the Canes for Skinner..... I know Montreal is hurting for Centers right now, so one would think Anisimov would be an attractive asset, as would be Shalunov, considering Shalunov has the potential to be a top 2 center in Montreal.... And I think Patches would be a real nice add to this Hawks team, but if Bowman can acquire Patches (who's on an expiring contract) I would like to see lines like this (until we get Panarin back):

Saad-Toews-Patches
DeBrincat-Schmaltz-Kane

That top 6 within itself would be extremely difficult to play against - especially a 2 way line with Saad-Toews-Patches... With a line like that Q could run 2 shutdown lines and 2 scoring lines -it would be a matchup nightmare for opposing coaches...

I mean there are a lot of options to fix that LW spot now, however you don't want to give up the future and potentially future core players for a band aide, when you can bring Panarin back for free to next summer to fill that role long-term..

That's just my .02 cents on the 2nd line LW hole the Hawks have and who could fill it...

To be honest I would rather have Bowman go out and sign Nash, Hartnell, Upshall or even Shane Prince (who I think would really shine with the Hawks) instead of giving up future pieces to this team for one year of Patches or Skinner...

I think that's exactly what Bowman did.

Bowman trading Panarin for Saad just made no sense at all.. Bowman knows he going to be a UFA next summer, and at that point Panarin will be 27 which is still young enough to sign him long-term.... I think Bowman's logic was get Saad back and hopefully he will compensate for at least some of the offensive production lost by trading Panarin, then re-sign Panarin as a UFA on July 1st, 2019... I mean Bowman is certainly setting himself up to be in a cap position to do that next summer.. We all know Panarin loved it here in Chicago, especially playing with Kane (they were certainly dynamic duo, and perfect partners for each other)....Of course Bowman clearly has a history of bringing back players he was forced to trade for cap reasons - so this theory is not as far fetched as many will claim it is.... And I've been saying this was Bowman's plan for Panarin all along.... Look, when Saad was traded the first time (for Anisimov, Dano) I had a feeling Saad would be back - he was just too damn good of a fit just to "trade" him, and I had the same exact feeling when Bowman traded Panarin for Saad - the first thought that popped into my mind was "Panarin will be back"...

And now Panarin is basically subtly telling Columbus that he has no intentions at all to re-sign, Bowman has cleared the cap space to re-sign him... I mean 2+2=4... I mean it's kinda odd that Bowman gets rid of Hossa's contract and Panarin says he has no interest in signing in Columbus all in the same week.. IMO, that was basically Bowman telling Panarin he plans to re-sign him next summer and Panarin's refusal to sign an extension with Columbus was a head-nod (or signal) to Bowman saying "the plan is still on" lol..... I know this level of collusion sounds silly, but I'm sure Bowman and Panarin had a nice chat explaining all of this before he was traded....I mean this reunion is inevitable..

Now the real question is does Bowman try to acquire him via trade at some point or does Bowman remain patient and wait until July 1st of next summer? I mean obviously it would take a lot of quality assets such as Schmaltz, DeBrincat, one of our defensive studs and/or a first round pick to bring him back via trade.. It would be nice if Ansisimov was part of the deal... Perhaps 3-4 of Anisimov, Shalunov, Nalimov, Connor Murphy, Forsling, Hayden, Sikura ++ A first round pick 2019 or 20 (Hawks choice) could get it done, and if it only cost the Hawks 2-4 of those guys and the pick I wouldn't be upset at all..... Of course the smartest thing to do would be to save the assets and sign if as a UFA if the asking price is still astronomical at the traded deadline..

Either way I truly believe Panarin will be back with the Hawks within a year (perhaps 7 years @ 8-9.5 per season), and when that happens the Hawks will have a pretty scary top 6:

Saad-Toews-DeBrincat
Panarin-Schmaltz-Kane

Every one of those guys has 30 goal potential.

However what do the Hawks do about the 2nd line left wing hole in the mean time? I mean I would have no issue if Bowman traded Anisimov, Shalunov & Murphy or Forsling to the Habs for Patches or the Canes for Skinner..... I know Montreal is hurting for Centers right now, so one would think Anisimov would be an attractive asset, as would be Shalunov, considering Shalunov has the potential to be a top 2 center in Montreal.... And I think Patches would be a real nice add to this Hawks team, but if Bowman can acquire Patches (who's on an expiring contract) I would like to see lines like this (until we get Panarin back):

Saad-Toews-Patches
DeBrincat-Schmaltz-Kane

That top 6 within itself would be extremely difficult to play against - especially a 2 way line with Saad-Toews-Patches... With a line like that Q could run 2 shutdown lines and 2 scoring lines -it would be a matchup nightmare for opposing coaches...

I mean there are a lot of options to fix that LW spot now, however you don't want to give up the future and potentially future core players for a band aide, when you can bring Panarin back for free to next summer to fill that role long-term..

That's just my .02 cents on the 2nd line LW hole the Hawks have and who could fill it...

To be honest I would rather have Bowman go out and sign Nash, Hartnell, Upshall or even Shane Prince (who I think would really shine with the Hawks) instead of giving up future pieces to this team for one year of Patches or Skinner...
- Savard2Secord

Vinny a top six player with his vision ,Hartman 3rd line PK .Hartman should also have been allowed to play the agitator a bit , but Q frown on that . And you are correct if you want experiment with players the best place is in the A .
- oldduffman

It depends on the team and the system or strategy being used. Vinny is a very diverse player and asset... Do I think he's a legitimate top 6 forward now? I think on occasion Vinny is capable of playing top 6 minutes - he certainly has the potential to be a top 6 forward, however he needs more NHL experience to really find himself in that role (which I think he will) ... He's a fast smart player with a nice shot and decent hads that can play at both ends of the ice, however his size will always be a hindrance to some, but he has the speed and leverage to overcome that.....But yea, in 1-2 years I could certainly see Hinostroza playing top 6 minutes on a regular basis..And of course Blackhawks fans, regardless if we bring back Panarin with the cap relief obtained in the trade will still complain if Hinostroza turns into a 50-60 point forward.

The real question about Vinny was if the Hawks actually needed him - did the Hawks create a "hole" by trading him?, and I'm not so sure they did.. I think if Vinny stayed with the Hawks he would have anchored the 3rd line playing with Ejdsell & Sikura in all likelihood..

So yea, it sucks to lose Hinostroza, he's a local product with a lot of talent and potential and the pace he was developing was outstanding, but what other options did Bowman have to get rid of Hossa's contract? and lets not forget the Hawks also got Entwistle who has tremendous size and potential himself (Bowman was planning on drafting him) so Entwistle could pan out to be just as effective as Hinostroza (different type off players and skill-sets tho), so it's not like the Hawks got nothing in
- they got a few pieces with Kruger and Entwistle being the main components, but the Hawks also got that cap space which could potentially be the room used to sign Panarin as a UFA next summer, so who the Hawks sign with that cap space also maters.

I mean the Hinostroza/Hossa cap dumb was far from a terrible deal from the Hawks perspective (at least mine).. The Bickell/TT cap dump was by far the worst thus far during Bowman's tenure as the Hawks GM... At least the Hawks got 2 legitimate assets in the Hossa dump - the Hawks go nothing with the Bickell dump..

It depends on the team and the system or strategy being used. Vinny is a very diverse player and asset... Do I think he's a legitimate top 6 forward now? I think on occasion Vinny is capable of playing top 6 minutes - he certainly has the potential to be a top 6 forward, however he needs more NHL experience to really find himself in that role (which I think he will) ... He's a fast smart player with a nice shot and decent hads that can play at both ends of the ice, however his size will always be a hindrance to some, but he has the speed and leverage to overcome that.....But yea, in 1-2 years I could certainly see Hinostroza playing top 6 minutes on a regular basis..And of course Blackhawks fans, regardless if we bring back Panarin with the cap relief obtained in the trade will still complain if Hinostroza turns into a 50-60 point forward.

The real question about Vinny was if the Hawks actually needed him - did the Hawks create a "hole" by trading him?, and I'm not so sure they did.. I think if Vinny stayed with the Hawks he would have anchored the 3rd line playing with Ejdsell & Sikura in all likelihood..

So yea, it sucks to lose Hinostroza, he's a local product with a lot of talent and potential and the pace he was developing was outstanding, but what other options did Bowman have to get rid of Hossa's contract? and lets not forget the Hawks also got Entwistle who has tremendous size and potential himself (Bowman was planning on drafting him) so Entwistle could pan out to be just as effective as Hinostroza (different type off players and skill-sets tho), so it's not like the Hawks got nothing in
- they got a few pieces with Kruger and Entwistle being the main components, but the Hawks also got that cap space which could potentially be the room used to sign Panarin as a UFA next summer, so who the Hawks sign with that cap space also maters.

I mean the Hinostroza/Hossa cap dumb was far from a terrible deal from the Hawks perspective (at least mine).. The Bickell/TT cap dump was by far the worst thus far during Bowman's tenure as the Hawks GM... At least the Hawks got 2 legitimate assets in the Hossa dump - the Hawks go nothing with the Bickell dump..
- Savard2Secord

Well said about Vinny and my sentiments exactly on a previous post!

100% correct.

The reason why I studied it was because I wanted to put some type of realistic value on what a pick was worth in a trade.

Steve Sullivan for two 2nd round picks seemed too low at the time. Now we know that Sullivan for Garlock and Blunden was a real stinker.
- stevefrmglencoe

I think the value of the picks can fluctuate as well based on the draft.. Some drafts only have a handful of players that have star potential and the rest are "meh" players, but generally speaking no matter what draft a team should usually end up with a star player with a top 5 pick, but of course there are exceptions to the rule; like Cam Barker drafted 3rd overall for instance, the Hawks saved their ass on that one - sending him to Minnesota for Nick Leddy & Kim Johansson, but had the Hawks not made that deal, Barker would be in the "top 5 pick bust bin"....

I suppose my point is if you're going to trade picks or for picks it's a good idea to be familiar with that draft class, and IMO - I really wished Bowman acquired a couple more picks from this 2018 draft because man that draft was loaded (it will probably be up there with one of the best drafts in history) which of course is why the asking price on picks was astronomical... And honestly I'm shocked Nashville gave up #27 and Ejdsell (a guy wanted to sign a year prior) for Hartman... I would say that in this draft pick #27 held as much value as a #10-15 pick in a "typical draft" - I mean Veleno fell to pick #30 and he was projected to go 12th overall, but Veleno wasn't the only one - many players projected to go in the first round slipped to the second. I mean this past draft really had 2 first rounds, and the 3rd and 4th rounds were similar to the 2nd round in most drafts.... I mean the Hawks got Wise & Nordgren in the 3rd round.... Wise at the beginning of the season was projected to be a top 10 pick in this draft, but injuries set him back while other players sky rocketed up the rankings like Evan Bouchard or Kotkaniemi...

So it would be kinda hard to asses values to picks in this past draft given the fact just about every player drafted in the first round has superstar potential.