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TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Jul 23 @ 9:32 AM ET
Espn ranks leafs core 4th overall, excludes Matthews marner and nylander. Oil writer writes about it and brings up leafs and then people wonder why leaf fans commenting.

Not becuase the leafs were brought up, because leaf fans obsessed with oilers apparently.

Pay attention to me! Pay attention to me!! Haha you're only paying attention to me cause you're obsessed with me.



Wtf so sad

- burn


I just looked at the article and they're only including players that under 27 and are signed for the next three seasons, so from that standpoint the ranking makes sense.

However, the methodology itself is inane at best, considering that anybody under the age of 27 is likely an RFA, which means they're very likely not going anywhere, which means they're part of the team. In the Leafs' case, I can 99.991121% guarantee that the core for the next 4 years is going to be Tavares, Kadri, Rielly, Matthews, and Marner
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Jul 23 @ 9:33 AM ET
Hi, are you the famous UG I am being compared too? Well it is nice to meet you, I hear you are intelligent, charming and you must have one of the best beards in the universe.

It takes a real Turd to take on Hockey Buzz Nation.

- Glak18



fixed that for ya


Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jul 23 @ 9:33 AM ET
People aren't doing this to be famous, naming them doesn't matter. In fact, they would prefer not to have the publicity.

It's starting to sound like he was shot by a cop anyway.

- TrashPanda


Studies have shown that media coverage tends to "glorify" some shooters in the eyes of people who might be inclined to do the same.

It's the fine line between "the right for the people to know the facts" and "don't want to give these guys publicity".

It's not an easy choice to make tbh.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Jul 23 @ 9:39 AM ET
Studies have shown that media coverage tends to "glorify" some shooters in the eyes of people who might be inclined to do the same.

It's the fine line between "the right for the people to know the facts" and "don't want to give these guys publicity".

It's not an easy choice to make tbh.

- Scabeh

I think the difference is between spree/mass/terrorist/manifesto shooters/perpetrators vs gang/single action shooters.
TrashPanda
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Your Green Bin, ON
Joined: 03.29.2018

Jul 23 @ 9:43 AM ET
Studies have shown that media coverage tends to "glorify" some shooters in the eyes of people who might be inclined to do the same.

It's the fine line between "the right for the people to know the facts" and "don't want to give these guys publicity".

It's not an easy choice to make tbh.

- Scabeh


The shooters are mostly gang members, they don't want to be known because that casts a harsh light on the other members of their gang. It's totally different than an American-style school shooting where the shooter is looking for publicity.

Name them, then go after the other members of the gang.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jul 23 @ 9:44 AM ET
The shooters are mostly gang members, they don't want to be known because that casts a harsh light on the other members of their gang. It's totally different than an American-style school shooting where the shooter is looking for publicity.

Name them, then go after the other members of the gang.

- TrashPanda


I didn't know they were identified as gang members, thought it was just some random loser instead of an organized loser.

I agree with you.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jul 23 @ 9:48 AM ET
The shooters are mostly gang members, they don't want to be known because that casts a harsh light on the other members of their gang. It's totally different than an American-style school shooting where the shooter is looking for publicity.

Name them, then go after the other members of the gang.

- TrashPanda


What's the difference between an American-style school shooting and Canada-style school shooting? Is it the publicity and attention?
TrashPanda
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Your Green Bin, ON
Joined: 03.29.2018

Jul 23 @ 9:50 AM ET
I didn't know they were identified as gang members, thought it was just some random loser instead of an organized loser.

I agree with you.

- Scabeh


All of the shootings have something in common - it's a certain group shooting other members of that group. It's very gang related.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Jul 23 @ 9:52 AM ET
What's the difference between an American-style school shooting and Canada-style school shooting? Is it the publicity and attention?
- Glak18

We don't have very many.

Polytechnique...struggling to think of others off the top of my head. I think the University of Alberta had one a decade ago.
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Jul 23 @ 9:59 AM ET
BlueBallz
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: You lie to everyone else and soon enough you begin believing your own lies. - spatso, ON
Joined: 07.06.2012

Jul 23 @ 10:00 AM ET
All of the shootings have something in common - it's a certain group shooting other members of that group. It's very gang related.
- TrashPanda

We don't know that for this particular incident and we can't assume it. The investigators wouldn't so nobody else should either.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jul 23 @ 10:02 AM ET
We don't have very many.

Polytechnique...struggling to think of others off the top of my head. I think the University of Alberta had one a decade ago.

- AdamFrench


I was just curious, was not trying to get to the whole "America Vs Canada" debate to be clear.

Reason why I ask is because I am familiar with school shootings in the US through studies, which the amount has increased to about a shooting every 2-3 weeks. School shootings are normally classified as any shooting on school grounds, even gang spill over or adults arguing in a parking lot.

As for Canada school shootings I have very limited knowledge of the cases. I did do a quick search and found a decent size list, biggest thing that jumped out from the list was the death toll, which was very low on each incident compared to American school shootings. Which leads me to believe that the shootings in American schools are more planned, where in Canada they may just be heat of the moment.
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Jul 23 @ 10:05 AM ET
We don't know that for this particular incident and we can't assume it. The investigators wouldn't so nobody else should either.
- BlueBallz

That's right.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 23 @ 10:08 AM ET
I was just curious, was not trying to get to the whole "America Vs Canada" debate to be clear.

Reason why I ask is because I am familiar with school shootings in the US through studies, which the amount has increased to about a shooting every 2-3 weeks. School shootings are normally classified as any shooting on school grounds, even gang spill over or adults arguing in a parking lot.

As for Canada school shootings I have very limited knowledge of the cases. I did do a quick search and found a decent size list, biggest thing that jumped out from the list was the death toll, which was very low on each incident compared to American school shootings. Which leads me to believe that the shootings in American schools are more planned, where in Canada they may just be heat of the moment.

- Glak18


Guessing the difference is different types of weapons involved, but have not looked at the numbers myself.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jul 23 @ 10:09 AM ET
Guessing the difference is different types of weapons involved, but have not looked at the numbers myself.
- Aetherial


Does Canada have an assault rifle ban?
Archaic
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Waterloo, ON
Joined: 01.12.2011

Jul 23 @ 10:10 AM ET
Hi, are you the famous UG I am being compared too? Well it is nice to meet you, I hear you are intelligent, charming and you must have one of the best beards in the universe.

It takes a Legend to take on a Nation.

- Glak18


If by intelligence you mean by being wrong in almost every facet of conversation, and still thinking you are right, then yes....extremely intelligent
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Jul 23 @ 10:10 AM ET
Have we heard from all of our Toronto friends yet?
BlueBallz
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: You lie to everyone else and soon enough you begin believing your own lies. - spatso, ON
Joined: 07.06.2012

Jul 23 @ 10:10 AM ET
I was just curious, was not trying to get to the whole "America Vs Canada" debate to be clear.

Reason why I ask is because I am familiar with school shootings in the US through studies, which the amount has increased to about a shooting every 2-3 weeks. School shootings are normally classified as any shooting on school grounds, even gang spill over or adults arguing in a parking lot.

As for Canada school shootings I have very limited knowledge of the cases. I did do a quick search and found a decent size list, biggest thing that jumped out from the list was the death toll, which was very low on each incident compared to American school shootings. Which leads me to believe that the shootings in American schools are more planned, where in Canada they may just be heat of the moment.

- Glak18

That may be in some incidents but the availability of guns and the types are much more relevant factors.

Most non hunting rifles (usually assault style weapons) and all hand guns are classified as restricted which means you need to take additional training and acquire a different license to obtain them and those guns are registered. Additionally the magazine capacity for semi automatic centre fire rifles is capped at 5 rounds and handguns at 10. All fully automatic firearms are entirely prohibited.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 23 @ 10:11 AM ET
Does Canada have an assault rifle ban?
- Glak18


I am not really familiar with gun laws, but I believe automatic weapons are prohibited as well as most semi-automatic assault weapons.

We do have guns here, but just, in general, I would guess we have far less guns per capita.

PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Jul 23 @ 10:14 AM ET
I just looked at the article and they're only including players that under 27 and are signed for the next three seasons, so from that standpoint the ranking makes sense.

However, the methodology itself is inane at best, considering that anybody under the age of 27 is likely an RFA, which means they're very likely not going anywhere, which means they're part of the team. In the Leafs' case, I can 99.991121% guarantee that the core for the next 4 years is going to be Tavares, Kadri, Rielly, Matthews, and Marner

- TheMussel


I read the article as well, definitely seems to be skewed in the favour of the Oilers because of McDavid.. Matthews, Marner, Nylander haven't signed long term yet, but I think it's safe to say that all three will be here long term.
TrashPanda
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Your Green Bin, ON
Joined: 03.29.2018

Jul 23 @ 10:14 AM ET
We don't know that for this particular incident and we can't assume it. The investigators wouldn't so nobody else should either.
- BlueBallz


Bullpoop - this has all of the hallmarks of a gang related shooting. There were also minimum 14 shots, which indicates to me multiple shooters.

The investigators aren't telling us anything, so we don't know what they're thinking.
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Jul 23 @ 10:15 AM ET
Does Canada have an assault rifle ban?
- Glak18

No...but limited rounds in a clip, which isn't that comforting considering. There is a "restricted" weapons list. See Blueballz response.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Jul 23 @ 10:16 AM ET
That may be in some incidents but the availability of guns and the types are much more relevant factors.

Most non hunting rifles (usually assault style weapons) and all hand guns are classified as restricted which means you need to take additional training and acquire a different license to obtain them and those guns are registered. Additionally the magazine capacity for semi automatic centre fire rifles is capped at 5 rounds and handguns at 10. All fully automatic firearms are entirely prohibited.

- BlueBallz




The Globe and Mail‏Verified account @globeandmail · 8m8 minutes ago

What we know so far: Two victims are dead. 12 people are injured. The shooter is dead. It is unclear if he died by suicide or was shot by police. Toronto Police have not released the identity of the shooter. SIU said the shooter was 29 years old.
Police confirmed the shooter used a handgun, but refused to speculate on motive.


TrashPanda
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Your Green Bin, ON
Joined: 03.29.2018

Jul 23 @ 10:18 AM ET
No...but limited rounds in a clip, which isn't that comforting considering. There is a "restricted" weapons list. See Blueballz response.
- Woderwick


Actually, we do. The AR-15 as commonly sold in the US is a 'prohibited' weapon here.
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jul 23 @ 10:20 AM ET
Bullpoop - this has all of the hallmarks of a gang related shooting. There were also minimum 14 shots, which indicates to me multiple shooters.

The investigators aren't telling us anything, so we don't know what they're thinking.

- TrashPanda

No.
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