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Forums :: Blog World :: Michael Pachla: "Prime Years"--A look at the 2011 NHL Draft. Terry Pegula's first as owner
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Hatboro_Swords
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Next year is gonna be 05/06 all over again, PA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Jul 22 @ 2:35 PM ET
Yeah, Botts should just trade for Fasching

Serious question...
besides Jack & Sam, which were pretty much obvious choices...

Who that GMTM brought in/drafted will still be here in 3 years?

- jdfitz77

He did. His name is Tage Thompson. He’s going to be awesome.

If you get one draft pick a year to pan out, you’re doing good. Guhle, Goalofsson and Asplund come to mind immediately. More than met the quota. Don’t try to defy the 3ER. I already got GMTM acquitted on this board.
sabreadvocate1
Buffalo Sabres
Location: ON
Joined: 12.12.2006

Jul 22 @ 2:35 PM ET
He also didn't win the Vanek for Seguin trade
- jcragcrumple


Vanek and Marcus Foligno for Seguin. Darcy was probably nervous of having a Peter McNab for Andre Savard deal again.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 22 @ 2:37 PM ET
The Sabres were out of the playoffs when Pegula took over
- jcragcrumple



Other than buy the team he had nothing to do with the success of the team that year.

Roy goes out with a torn quad. Team faulters.

Sh!tty backup goalie goes 0-5 and doesn’t play after Jan21st.

Enroth get called up Feb 15th goes 8-0-1 (17 our 18 pts). Starting the final 6 games with an injured Miller notching 11 of 12 points to get them in.

Not a Pegula team, the next 7 of failure is though.

jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 22 @ 2:38 PM ET
He did. His name is Tage Thompson. He’s going to be awesome.

If you get one draft pick a year to pan out, you’re doing good. Guhle, Goalofsson and Asplund come to mind immediately. More than met the quota. Don’t try to defy the 3ER. I already got GMTM acquitted on this board.

- Hatboro_Swords


That’s laughable
There’s like 3 ppl who don’t say that he sucked

And the other 2 are hardly in love with him like you are
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 22 @ 2:39 PM ET
Lots of people said boyes was the second coming when we made that trade lol
- gerbe75pts



No one did.

Thought it was a bad trade then and still think it was a bad trade.
Hatboro_Swords
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Next year is gonna be 05/06 all over again, PA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Jul 22 @ 2:40 PM ET
That’s laughable
There’s like 3 ppl who don’t say that he sucked

And the other 2 are hardly in love with him like you are

- jdfitz77

Silent majority.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 22 @ 2:42 PM ET
No one did.

Thought it was a bad trade then and still think it was a bad trade.

- dadeadhead


There were plenty of ppl who were psyched (or at least hopeful), based on him previously scoring 30 goals a couple times
Didn’t he even have a 40 goal season?
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 22 @ 2:43 PM ET
Silent majority.
- Hatboro_Swords


Your dreamworld is nuttier than Gerbe’s
Hatboro_Swords
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Next year is gonna be 05/06 all over again, PA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Jul 22 @ 2:43 PM ET
There were plenty of ppl who were psyched (or at least hopeful), based on him previously scoring 30 goals a couple times
Didn’t he even have a 40 goal season?

- jdfitz77

Why don’t you tell us? I’m sure you looked it up before insisting on posing the question anyways.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 22 @ 2:44 PM ET
The Sabres were out of the playoffs when Pegula took over
- jcragcrumple

and enroth went 9-2-2 down the stretch to get them in
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 22 @ 2:44 PM ET
Other than buy the team he had nothing to do with the success of the team that year.

Roy goes out with a torn quad. Team faulters.

Sh!tty backup goalie goes 0-5 and doesn’t play after Jan21st.

Enroth get called up Feb 15th goes 8-0-1 (17 our 18 pts). Starting the final 6 games with an injured Miller notching 11 of 12 points to get them in.

Not a Pegula team, the next 7 of failure is though.

- dadeadhead


You're trying to have it both ways.

He deserves no credit for that year

He deserves blame for the next years
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 22 @ 2:53 PM ET
You're trying to have it both ways.

He deserves no credit for that year

He deserves blame for the next years

- jcragcrumple



Not really.

He took over with what maybe 25 games left over? Maybe two weeks before the trade deadline. Any and all failures or successes are still on the other guy. I doubt he was making any player personal input at the time.

Starting in 11/12 any and all successes and (mostly) failures are on him and him alone.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 22 @ 2:53 PM ET
Why don’t you tell us? I’m sure you looked it up before insisting on posing the question anyways.
- Hatboro_Swords


I didn’t have to look up how GMTM brought in Bogosian, Kulikov, Franson & Gorges

And traded McNabb, Myers & Pysyk


Yeah, thanks GMTM
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 22 @ 2:55 PM ET
and enroth went 9-2-2 down the stretch to get them in
- homiedclown


Yeah, Lalime sucked.

I'm not gonna wade into this debate too deeply. His major flaw was trusting people too much. He did it with Darcy and Brandon. He also gave everyone under him every tool possible to succeed. He's marketed Buffalo in a great way. Built the harborcenter, brought the combine and the draft here. No one in the hockey department wants for anything. The results have not been there. It sucks. The plan under Darcy was (frank)ed up by GMTM by frittering away assets. If Darcy had remained GM, and they brought GMTM in as AGM to run the draft and to push Darcy to occasionally take a risk, maybe we'd be better.

I don't blame Pegula. He has brought every resource possible to this team. What those under him did with those resources is the biggest problem imo.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 22 @ 2:56 PM ET


I don't blame Pegula. He has brought every resource possible to this team. What those under him did with those resources is the biggest problem imo.

- jcragcrumple

he did hire murray and had the lafontaine debacle


big time set backs
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jul 22 @ 2:58 PM ET
and enroth went 9-2-2 down the stretch to get them in
- homiedclown


jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 22 @ 2:59 PM ET
he did hire murray and had the lafontaine debacle


big time set backs

- homiedclown


Yeah, he did that. Murray was seen as an up-and-comer at the time though. The failures of those under him are theirs alone though, imo. Pegula has given them the resources they need to sink or swim.
GilPerreault11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: IL
Joined: 07.21.2011

Jul 22 @ 2:59 PM ET
@FriedgeHNIC
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Arbitrator spilt down the middle for Trouba -- $5.5M
Hatboro_Swords
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Next year is gonna be 05/06 all over again, PA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Jul 22 @ 3:02 PM ET
Yeah, he did that. Murray was seen as an up-and-comer at the time though. The failures of those under him are theirs alone though, imo. Pegula has given them the resources they need to sink or swim.
- jcragcrumple

The debacle was firing Murray not hiring him.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 22 @ 3:03 PM ET
@FriedgeHNIC
3m3 minutes ago
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Arbitrator spilt down the middle for Trouba -- $5.5M

- GilPerreault11


The Jets are playing with fire not giving him a long term deal

Wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up asking for a trade again
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 22 @ 3:05 PM ET
The debacle was firing Murray not hiring him.
- Hatboro_Swords


Our absolutely sh!tty defense disagrees

But at least he brought in Lehner to save the day

Oh, wait....
Hatboro_Swords
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Next year is gonna be 05/06 all over again, PA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Jul 22 @ 3:06 PM ET
Our absolutely sh!tty defense disagrees

But at least he brought in Lehner to save the day

Oh, wait....

- jdfitz77

Defense doesn’t matter in the NHL. My takes are 3 years in the future.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 22 @ 3:10 PM ET
and enroth went 9-2-2 down the stretch to get them in
- homiedclown



Sabres were in 8th place 3 points ahead of Carolina 79-76 (with 10 games to go)

Sabres go 8-1-1 (Enroth was 5-0-1) to pick up 17 points out of 20 (96 pts) to jump ahead of the Rangers for 7th place (93 pts).

Carolina finished out 7-2-1 (15 of 20 pts) to finish 9th place 2 points out (91 pts).

Miller goes down with an Injury and is diagnosed with an upper body injury which sidelines him for the remaining 6 games of the regular season.

Without Enroth's play in net, the team finishes out of the Playoffs.

dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 22 @ 3:12 PM ET
Yeah, Lalime sucked.

I'm not gonna wade into this debate too deeply. His major flaw was trusting people too much. He did it with Darcy and Brandon. He also gave everyone under him every tool possible to succeed. He's marketed Buffalo in a great way. Built the harborcenter, brought the combine and the draft here. No one in the hockey department wants for anything. The results have not been there. It sucks. The plan under Darcy was (frank)ed up by GMTM by frittering away assets. If Darcy had remained GM, and they brought GMTM in as AGM to run the draft and to push Darcy to occasionally take a risk, maybe we'd be better.

I don't blame Pegula. He has brought every resource possible to this team. What those under him did with those resources is the biggest problem imo.

- jcragcrumple



Leadership starts at the top.

If those below the leader aren't using the resources available correctly, the blame falls on the leader.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jul 22 @ 3:13 PM ET
O’Reilly
Lehner
Kane
Nylander.


What a job by Murray
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