I say both teams may have a shot at a round or two maybe more

Hopefully


- nbboy

There is so much parity among most of the teams (and parody between Ottawa and Montreal).

A hot goaltender or a key injury could derail any team's hopes. I don't see how the Flyers can miss the playoffs and I think it would be a shock if the Leafs missed. If they end up playing a higher seed in the playoffs anything is possible.

2018-19 Stanley Cup Odds
Toronto Maple Leafs +700
Tampa Bay Lightning +800
Boston Bruins +1000
Nashville Predators +1100
Vegas Golden Knights +1100
Washington Capitals +1200
Winnipeg Jets +1200
Pittsburgh Penguins +1400
San Jose Sharks +2200
Edmonton Oilers +2500
Los Angeles Kings +2500
St. Louis Blues +2500
Minnesota Wild +2800
Philadelphia Flyers +2800
Anaheim Ducks +2800
Dallas Stars +2800
Calgary Flames +2800
Columbus Blue Jackets +2800
Chicago Blackhawks +3300
Colorado Avalanche +3500
New Jersey Devils +4000
Florida Panthers +4000
Carolina Hurricanes +6000
New York Rangers +6600
Buffalo Sabres +6600
Montreal Canadiens +7000
Vancouver Canucks +7500
Detroit Red Wings +8000
New York Islanders +8000
Arizona Coyotes +8000
Ottawa Senators +15000


- Zezel

It’s over 9000!!!!!!!!!!!

2018-19 Stanley Cup Odds
Toronto Maple Leafs +700
Tampa Bay Lightning +800
Boston Bruins +1000
Nashville Predators +1100
Vegas Golden Knights +1100
Washington Capitals +1200
Winnipeg Jets +1200
Pittsburgh Penguins +1400
San Jose Sharks +2200
Edmonton Oilers +2500
Los Angeles Kings +2500
St. Louis Blues +2500
Minnesota Wild +2800
Philadelphia Flyers +2800
Anaheim Ducks +2800
Dallas Stars +2800
Calgary Flames +2800
Columbus Blue Jackets +2800
Chicago Blackhawks +3300
Colorado Avalanche +3500
New Jersey Devils +4000
Florida Panthers +4000
Carolina Hurricanes +6000
New York Rangers +6600
Buffalo Sabres +6600
Montreal Canadiens +7000
Vancouver Canucks +7500
Detroit Red Wings +8000
New York Islanders +8000
Arizona Coyotes +8000
Ottawa Senators +15000 :


- Zezel

Last years Odds

Pittsburgh Penguins 8-1
Edmonton Oilers 10-1 - Didnt even make the Playoffs
Tampa Bay Lightning 10-1
Washington Capitals 10-1 - Cup Winner
Chicago Blackhawks 12-1 - Didnt even make the Playoffs
Minnesota Wild 14-1
Toronto Maple Leafs 14-1
Nashville Predators 14-1
Dallas Stars 14-1 - Didnt even make the Playoffs
Anaheim Ducks 14-1
Montreal Canadiens 14-1 Didnt even make the Playoffs
New York Rangers 14-1 - Didnt even make the Playoffs
San Jose Sharks 20-1
Los Angeles Kings 20-1
Columbus Blue Jackets 20-1
Ottawa Senators 30-1
Boston Bruins 30-1 - Beat the Almighty Leafs
St. Louis Blues 30-1
Calgary Flames 30-1
Florida Panthers 40-1
New York Islanders 40-1
Philadelphia Flyers 40-1 - 3rd in Division
Winnipeg Jets 40-1
Buffalo Sabres 60-1
Carolina Hurricanes 60-1
Colorado Avalanche 100-1
Detroit Red Wings 100-1
New Jersey Devils 100-1
Arizona Coyotes 100-1
Vancouver Canucks 100-1
Vegas Golden Knights 200-1 - SC Finalist

Literally means nothing. Just all part of the Hype train.

Last years Odds

Pittsburgh Penguins 8-1 6-1
Edmonton Oilers 10-1 9-1 - Didnt even make the Playoffs
Tampa Bay Lightning 10-1 12-1
Washington Capitals 10-1 12-1 - Cup Winner
Chicago Blackhawks 12-1 12-1 - Didnt even make the Playoffs
Minnesota Wild 14-1 12-1
Toronto Maple Leafs 14-1 14-1
Nashville Predators 14-1 14-1
Dallas Stars 14-1 14-1 - Didnt even make the Playoffs
Anaheim Ducks 14-1 14-1
Montreal Canadiens 14-1 16-1 Didnt even make the Playoffs
New York Rangers 14-1 16-1- Didnt even make the Playoffs
San Jose Sharks 20-1 20-1
Los Angeles Kings 20-1 20-1
Columbus Blue Jackets 20-1 25-1
Ottawa Senators 30-1 30-1
Boston Bruins 30-1 30-1
St. Louis Blues 30-1 30-1
Calgary Flames 30-1 30-1
Florida Panthers 40-1 40-1
New York Islanders 40-1 50-1
Philadelphia Flyers 40-1 50-1
Winnipeg Jets 40-1 50-1
Buffalo Sabres 60-1 60-1
Carolina Hurricanes 60-1 60-1
Colorado Avalanche 100-1 100-1
Detroit Red Wings 100-1 200-1
New Jersey Devils 100-1 200-1
Arizona Coyotes 100-1 200-1
Vancouver Canucks 100-1 200-1
Vegas Golden Knights 200-1 200-1 SC - Finalist

Literally means nothing. Just all part of the Hype train.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Yeah, so you think there's no correlation at all between the odds and how teams might do? Sure, there are always exceptions every year, but you're saying that the positions of the Senators and the Penguins may as well be interchangeable? Ha ha ha. Put some money on it.

Yeah, so you think there's no correlation at all between the odds and how teams might do? Sure, there are always exceptions every year, but you're saying that the positions of the Senators and the Penguins may as well be interchangeable? Ha ha ha. Put some money on it.
- Zezel

Why wouldnt it? No one expected Ottawa to be that bad. They lost in the Finals the year before. Did you not see Edmonton at 2nd?

Why wouldnt it? No one expected Ottawa to be that bad. They lost in the Finals the year before.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Okay, I'll bet you account deletion that the Penguins do better than the Senators.

You actually haven't explained anything or refuted any clear and obvious points that are pretty much universally agreed with.
- Aetherial

On the contrary, reading is fun..try it sometime. Here are the ONLY points made for why Toronto is a contender:

I just read EVERY single comment relating to the Leafs as contenders, the only comments of any significance.

Leafs are contenders. They may not win. Hell, this core may never win a cup. They are contenders.

It is pathetic that some of you clearly can't deal with it.
- Aetherial

A good one right off the bat, so much awesome sauce. Hey, I might not be as big or strong or have the same skills, but I am better than Lebron James. Does that statement seem stupid? Welcome to my shoes. At least you got one thing right.

Uhhhhhh...they got Tavares, maybe you missed that?
- Slimtj100

Signing a UFA means insta-contender I guess in a blind world. What about they lost players too? Oh those players don't mean anything. Well they did last year huh. What about other teams getting rid of players and signing new ones? Oh that's different because it's not my team.

LMAO! Things have changed a bit in the past couple years... Enjoy that middle of the road train wreck you call a team..
- Gusto

Obviously things have changed. Welcome to the playoffs finally, hopefully you can stay longer someday.

Nope, not that confident because of the Dcore. Actually for me, it is more about Andersen. I have never been a fan.

I just find the take from the Flyers fans hilarious. There is clearly a lot of angst. Hell, even their blogger can't help but troll.

I am not confident that they will win anything, even a playoff round. I still feel they are contenders though. I think it i stupid to suggest they aren't. I don't see anyone in the east who is head and shoulders above them, not even Tampa. The west is weaker than the east these days IMHO.
- Aetherial

This is a post people walk in front of traffic to avoid reading. The only reasonable answer for this post is you let another person write it, didn't ask them what they wrote then called everyone stupid for not getting it. Did that happen?

Clearly something is wrong with you. Made up "angst" from Flyer fans..ohhh. Again I read all the comments, not one time did a Flyer fan say they suck or are bad. The only ones who got upset are you and the other few clowns who read "I don't consider them a contender" and took it as "Leafs are the worst team in the league" then got your underoos in bunch.

Tampa isn't considered better than Toronto? The forward depth and defense is incredible for Tampa, not to forget they have one of the best young goalies in the league...but didn't you say "not that confident because of the Dcore. Actually for me, it is more about Andersen. I have never been a fan"?

Seriously are you on meds?

It's not about being sensitive. There are posts on this blog praising the Flyers as legit contenders out there on par with the defending Cup champs and others saying the Leafs will be fighting for a wild card spot. I'm not upset about it, just trying to wrap up the derp in a nice summarizing bow.
- Kinger34

This guy/girl literally took the words out of a Leaf comment and replaced Leafs with Flyers. This is why no one can take Leafs fans seriously.

Last years Odds

Pittsburgh Penguins 8-1
Edmonton Oilers 10-1 - Didnt even make the Playoffs
Tampa Bay Lightning 10-1
Washington Capitals 10-1 - Cup Winner
Chicago Blackhawks 12-1 - Didnt even make the Playoffs
Minnesota Wild 14-1
Toronto Maple Leafs 14-1
Nashville Predators 14-1
Dallas Stars 14-1 - Didnt even make the Playoffs
Anaheim Ducks 14-1
Montreal Canadiens 14-1 Didnt even make the Playoffs
New York Rangers 14-1 - Didnt even make the Playoffs
San Jose Sharks 20-1
Los Angeles Kings 20-1
Columbus Blue Jackets 20-1
Ottawa Senators 30-1
Boston Bruins 30-1 - Beat the Almighty Leafs
St. Louis Blues 30-1
Calgary Flames 30-1
Florida Panthers 40-1
New York Islanders 40-1
Philadelphia Flyers 40-1 - 3rd in Division
Winnipeg Jets 40-1
Buffalo Sabres 60-1
Carolina Hurricanes 60-1
Colorado Avalanche 100-1
Detroit Red Wings 100-1
New Jersey Devils 100-1
Arizona Coyotes 100-1
Vancouver Canucks 100-1
Vegas Golden Knights 200-1 - SC Finalist

Literally means nothing. Just all part of the Hype train.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

On the contrary, reading is fun..try it sometime. Here are the ONLY points made for why Toronto is a contender:

I just read EVERY single comment relating to the Leafs as contenders, the only comments of any significance.



A good one right off the bat, so much awesome sauce. Hey, I might not be as big or strong or have the same skills, but I am better than Lebron James. Does that statement seem stupid? Welcome to my shoes. At least you got one thing right.



Signing a UFA means insta-contender I guess in a blind world. What about they lost players too? Oh those players don't mean anything. Well they did last year huh. What about other teams getting rid of players and signing new ones? Oh that's different because it's not my team.



Obviously things have changed. Welcome to the playoffs finally, hopefully you can stay longer someday.



This is a post people walk in front of traffic to avoid reading. The only reasonable answer for this post is you let another person write it, didn't ask them what they wrote then called everyone stupid for not getting it. Did that happen?

Clearly something is wrong with you. Made up "angst" from Flyer fans..ohhh. Again I read all the comments, not one time did a Flyer fan say they suck or are bad. The only ones who got upset are you and the other few clowns who read "I don't consider them a contender" and took it as "Leafs are the worst team in the league" then got your underoos in bunch.

Tampa isn't considered better than Toronto? The forward depth and defense is incredible for Tampa, not to forget they have one of the best young goalies in the league...but didn't you say "not that confident because of the Dcore. Actually for me, it is more about Andersen. I have never been a fan"?

Seriously are you on meds?



This guy/girl literally took the words out of a Leaf comment and replaced Leafs with Flyers. This is why no one can take Leafs fans seriously.
- Glak18

Or, to put it another way, the Leafs are top contenders.

I would entertain a trade that included Bogo just to get rid of him, but including Reinhart is a serious overpayment, even with Rhino taking a 3 month vacation to start the seaso last year.

Sabres are not trading for another left D anyway. Their weakness is on he right.
EK has no clue.

Okay, I'll bet you account deletion that the Penguins do better than the Senators.
- Zezel

Again you are not paying attention. Im not going to make that bet because I dont believe Sens will be better than Pens. That doesnt mean it cant happen. If you asked me last year to bet that Vegas would make the playoffs, I wouldnt because I didnt believe they were good enough like most people, yet they did. I do believe Ottawa wont be as bad of a team as people believe.

Again you are not paying attention. Im not going to make that bet because I dont believe Sens will be better than Pens. That doesnt mean it cant happen. If you asked me last year to bet that Vegas would make the playoffs, I wouldnt because I didnt believe they were good enough like most people, yet they did. I do believe Ottawa wont be as bad of a team as people believe.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Okay, let's make it more interesting. I'll bet you account deletion that the Leafs both get more points in the regular season than Philly, AND they win more playoff games. If they tie in points and playoff wins we'll call it a push.

Or, to put it another way, the Leafs are top contenders.
- Zezel

See point proven.

Absolutely nothing provided, just once again "Nah uh best team" with added laughing emoji like something was proven, but again this is coming from someone who said

Of course the Leafs are contenders. They were contenders last year and they added one of the best players in the world to their team. How is this even a discussion? Clearly they are very strong contenders, no question.
- Zezel

Yup, I'm the special one...

Okay, let's make it more interesting. I'll bet you account deletion that the Leafs both get more points in the regular season than Philly, AND they win more playoff games. If they tie in points and playoff wins we'll call it a push.
- Zezel

Not interesting at all. What is interesting about making a bet where Flyers have to play good teams like PIT, WSH, CBJ, NJ, Maybe the Canes 8 times a season where the Leafs get to beat up Ottawa, Buffalo, Detroit, Montreal and since many people consider Hoffman to be a cancer Florida as well. Top 3 is basically a given in the Atlantic. Leafs are almost guaranteed more points with that level of competition in the division.

How on earth does Steve Mason seem like a good fit for the Blackhawks? They already have Cam Ward as their back up. This guy is full of BS

I don't see anyone in the east who is head and shoulders above them,not even Tampa.
- Aetherial

Tampa isn't considered better than Toronto?
- Glak18

I will leave it up to you to look at what I typed, and the words you attributed to me, and see if you can identify the problem here. It pretty well summarizes your derp.


In the meantime. Here is some quoteworthy material. Since you seem unable to understand a rational, supportable statement, I will attempt to wrap it up for you, yet again.

Leafs:

2016-2017,

It’s been 87 years since an NHL team had a group of rookies on par with Toronto’s
- Wallstreet Journal

(Numerous other sources saying much the same thing, but I picked a non-Toronto one so you couldn't cry about it)

2017-2018
Finish 6th, lose in 7 games to a higher seeded team

2018-2019
Add another number 1 center. The best free agent to actually switch teams in probably 20 years. A guy who is top 5 in points since he joined the league. Adding at least 2 players from AHL championship team. Rookie class another year more experienced... Vegas lists them as favorites.


Sorry but to any reasonable person who isn't all full of butthurt and Leafs rage, that = contender

You will note, I have not claimed anywhere that they are going to win, or will win. I am not selling tickets to prime seats on the parade route. I am stating facts and making a pretty reasonable argument that has a lot of support (thus the odds)



... it will be interesting to see you twist my words, again, without actually making any decent counter-arguments.

Again you are not paying attention. Im not going to make that bet because I dont believe Sens will be better than Pens. That doesnt mean it cant happen. If you asked me last year to bet that Vegas would make the playoffs, I wouldnt because I didnt believe they were good enough like most people, yet they did. I do believe Ottawa wont be as bad of a team as people believe.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Here's the problem, they have no clue what the word contender means. They think it means "I'm excited for my team or finally a team that won't be at the bottom". Don't you dare burst their bubble bringing them back to reality, they will get upset.

For now on, Leafs fans will be refereed to as "Ricky Bobbys". If you don't finish 1st then you finish last.

How on earth does Steve Mason seem like a good fit for the Blackhawks? They already have Cam Ward as their back up. This guy is full of BS
- dukes0707

They already regret the signing

Not interesting at all. What is interesting about making a bet where Flyers have to play good teams like PIT, WSH, CBJ, NJ, Maybe the Canes 8 times a season where the Leafs get to beat up Ottawa, Buffalo, Detroit, Montreal and since many people consider Hoffman to be a cancer Florida as well. Top 3 is basically a given in the Atlantic. Leafs are almost guaranteed more points with that level of competition in the division.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Okay, so you're on record saying the Leafs will get more points than the Flyers, good. How about we just do playoff wins? That way division strength isn't as much of a factor. And it's quite likely that the Leafs will play Tampa or Boston in the first round. So I'm saying they still win more playoff games than Philly. Deal?

See point proven.

Absolutely nothing provided, just once again "Nah uh best team" with added laughing emoji like something was proven, but again this is coming from someone who said

Yup, I'm the special one...
- Glak18

Ok let me ask you, what is your definition of contender.

Leafs fans have laid out the reasons they see the Leafs as contenders (and plenty of others agree). The reasons are actually pretty simple, if you wipe the tears out of your eyes.

See point proven.

Absolutely nothing provided, just once again "Nah uh best team" with added laughing emoji like something was proven, but again this is coming from someone who said



Yup, I'm the special one...
- Glak18

No comment on the bettings odds I posted?

Last year they were 14-1, so middling contenders, not top contenders like they very obviously are to thinking people this year.

Here's the problem, they have no clue what the word contender means. They think it means "I'm excited for my team or finally a team that won't be at the bottom". Don't you dare burst their bubble bringing them back to reality, they will get upset.

For now on, Leafs fans will be refereed to as "Ricky Bobbys". If you don't finish 1st then you finish last.
- Glak18

what is your definition?

How are the Leafs NOT contenders?

See, that would have led to an actual hockey discussion/debate.

Instead, we get nothing from you except twisting our words, (PROVEN above). No counter argument, just lots of stupidity.

So, I laid out my argument. Where is yours?

Requesting asylum (which many of the people who had their children illegally abducted by US agents under orders from Trump and Sessions were doing) isn't coming to the country illegally, duh.

And even if it was it doesn't warrant taking children away from their parents. Making toddlers who are still in diapers stand in court dockets, without their families, for immigration offences could be a hilarious comedy sketch if it wasn't the farcical reality that these kids are facing. Nobody who has children of their own and possess a shred of empathy or human decency can think this is right or just.

Previous administrations didn't need to do this nor does the current one. They chose to because they are cruel and incompetent. And now they have to fix it and the fallout is far from over as there will certainly be numerous lawsuits.

For some of these people their biggest "crime" was having the wherewithal to leave an untenable situation, undertake a perilous journey and beg for help in order to stay alive or try to protect their children. Most of these people have endured more hardship than anyone should ever have to and will have a greater appreciation for the country than the average American/Canadian who takes the comparatively easy lives we live for granted.

But don't worry, I'm sure history will look back at this as being the right move just like the internment of Japanese people in the US and Canada during WW2.
- BlueBallz

Sounds like we have a voljnteer country lined up to take all these asylum seekers.
Which entry point shall we bus them to...Vacouver or Toronto?

what is your definition?

How are the Leafs NOT contenders?

See, that would have led to an actual hockey discussion/debate.

Instead, we get nothing from you except twisting our words, (PROVEN above). No counter argument, just lost of stupidity.

So, I laid out my argument. Where is yours?
- Aetherial

A contender might be a team that finished seventh overall the year before and added an all-world centre to go with the one they already have, thus establishing one of the best centre depths in the league. A team that is quite likely to make the playoffs with one of the top records in the league, that might be a contender.

I imagine that the people who make sports books for a living would be likely to rate a contender near the top of the futures odds for that upcoming season as well, that would tend to be a good indication of which teams are considered contenders.

No comment on the bettings odds I posted?

Last year they were 14-1, so middling contenders, not top contenders like they very obviously are to thinking people this year.
- Zezel

Yeah someone refuted the Vegas odds... by pointing out that Vegas got it wrong last year.

They clearly have no idea how or why Vegas sets odds.

Basically, those odds say that Vegas anticipates a lot of money being put on the Leafs. This, in turn, means that the general consensus out there about the Leafs does not agree with our Flyers fans here.