Better to accidentally go over 18, than under it.
- Feanor

Truth

Ok... I've seen talk/questions on; Trade before the season? Write up on where Weal fits? Laughton questionable as a 3C? And, need for a 3C.

So, package Weal and Laughton for a real 3C. For a team that sucks... This could make them deeper. For a team that is good (but cap issues)... they might be able to shed a higher salary for two reasonable ones. The Flyers would need to get a younger guy that is greater quality then either Laughton or Weal. Hell, throw a late round pick in...

Both these guys may do well with a change of local...
- leon neon

Hopefully this doesn't come off too condescending, but in all seriousness if it was that easy to do...wouldn't Hextall do that in a heartbeat? Might as well throw Neurvirth and Weise in there too and get a healthy goaltender.

I know most sports fans like to just "trade these players and get what you need", but I like to hear exactly who Weal and Laughton is going to realistically get to fill the 3C. Remember other teams have to want what the Flyers don't want anymore to give what the Flyers want.

Good idea.

What team/player did you have in mind? A team that is good, but has cap issues, that will give up a younger, better player than Laughton for the addition of a bottom-6 winger and a late pick...I mean, I'm all for it, I just can't think who might do this.
- jmatchett383

I can only think of 1 team that has a player and the right situation to be able to pull it off and I don't even know if they would do it.

Winnipeg - Mathieu Perreault

Would Winnipeg really trade Perreault for Laughton and Weal and maybe a pick. Possibly for cap reasons, but how high of a pick?

EDIT: Nevermind Perreault barely takes face-offs and almost zero PK time.

Good idea.

What team/player did you have in mind?
- jmatchett383

To start... None.

After "shopping" the other teams... The team would most likely be out West. Somebody not too old... Third line type of guy - scores but not leading the team. Good in the +/- department. Maybe a UFA soon, within 2 years... Salary 3+M.

Just to throw out a name. I don't really know much about him, or where he fits on the Wilds roster... But, Charlie Coyle. Coyle's got Staal and Koivu above him, and Joel Eriksson pushing for his spot. Not sure if he's "better than" weal or laughton. He's middle of the pack scoring for the wild, more pts than weal/laughton. He's big with good relative +/-. So, he seems to be a good line 3 type. The Wild seem to have dinosaurs or rookies. Two guys (Weal/Laughton) in the middle range might help them. The salaries balance favoring the Wild a bit. He is signed through 2019-2020. So, we could resign or dump - if salaries are a problem. I see plus and minus for each team.

I can only think of 1 team that has a player and the right situation to be able to pull it off and I don't even know if they would do it.

Winnipeg - Mathieu Perreault

Would Winnipeg really trade Perreault for Laughton and Weal and maybe a pick. Possibly for cap reasons, but how high of a pick?
- Glak18

Perreault is a little older than I'd like... Maybe Perreault and a high pick for Weal and Laughton. Depending on how good Hex selling skills are...

To start... None.

After "shopping" the other teams... The team would most likely be out West. Somebody not too old... Third line type of guy - scores but not leading the team. Good in the +/- department. Maybe a UFA soon, within 2 years... Salary 3+M.

Just to throw out a name. I don't really know much about him, or where he fits on the Wilds roster... But, Charlie Coyle. Coyle's got Staal and Koivu above him, and Joel Eriksson pushing for his spot. Not sure if he's "better than" weal or laughton. He's middle of the pack scoring for the wild, more pts than weal/laughton. He's big with good relative +/-. So, he seems to be a good line 3 type. The Wild seem to have dinosaurs or rookies. Two guys (Weal/Laughton) in the middle range might help them. The salaries balance favoring the Wild a bit. He is signed through 2019-2020. So, we could resign or dump - if salaries are a problem. I see plus and minus for each team.
- leon neon

I personally don't see Minny trading Coyle for that return, they would be more likely to trade Staal or Koivu well before him.

Perreault is a little older than I'd like... Maybe Perreault and a high pick for Weal and Laughton. Depending on how good Hex selling skills are...
- leon neon

Unfortunately if you are thinking more of a younger guy, mid-20s, that can grow with the team...not happening, not for Laugton and Weal...would have to add a 1st most likely and honestly depending on the player probably have the same questions as you do now.

Only thing Laughton and Weal will get is for someone looking to move out higher salary or an old vet who is maybe a year from being a UFA.

EDIT: Neither Laughton or Weal will get a high pick combined, let alone with a decent player like Perreault. Value is a tad high on both players.

The Phantoms sure have a lot of forwards under contract; 18 including AHL deals. I hope that means NAK and Vecchione are going to be up on the Flyers to start the season. Bardreau could be another 4th line option, and he's not waiver exempt.

Aube-Kubel
Bardreau
Bunnaman
Carey
Conner (AHL deal)
Goulbourne
Fazleev
Huntebrinker (AHL deal)
Kase
Knight
Krushelynski (AHL deal)
Laberge
MacDonald (AHL deal)
Martel
Rubtsov
Twarynski
Varone
Vecchione
Vorobyev
- Feanor

Isn't Fazleev playing in Russia next season, or was that report debunked? I know they still have his contract, tho.

Hopefully this doesn't come off too condescending, but in all seriousness if it was that easy to do...wouldn't Hextall do that in a heartbeat? Might as well throw Neurvirth and Weise in there too and get a healthy goaltender.

I know most sports fans like to just "trade these players and get what you need", but I like to hear exactly who Weal and Laughton is going to realistically get to fill the 3C. Remember other teams have to want what the Flyers don't want anymore to give what the Flyers want.
- Glak18

It is the middle of summer. We are not GM's. We are speculating and wasting time. The whole purpose of Hockeybuzz is to speculate and waste time. Pretty much Every thread is about speculation and wasting time.

We can discuss what we need... 3C. We can discuss what we would give up for it. What we could get for it. Whether it would be better, etc...

Of course, it's not easy. Yes, Hex would have already done it if available. I'm sure Hex has tried a lot of different things.

In regards to Laughton and Weal. Who knows what the real situation is, maybe Hex has them on a no trade list. I didn't put any names out there because I'm not sure. We can narrow the field a bit. We're not going to be trading with the Pens. We're not going to be getting McDavid. I am just interested in who could possibly fill the 3C roles for us. By logically narrowing the field a bit, we might be able to understand who Hex might be looking at or should be... Again, its July.

Perreault is a little older than I'd like... Maybe Perreault and a high pick for Weal and Laughton. Depending on how good Hex selling skills are...
- leon neon

Sorry, correction... I didn't mean to type "high" pick... High as in high number.. should have written "late" pick.

It is the middle of summer. We are not GM's. We are speculating and wasting time. The whole purpose of Hockeybuzz is to speculate and waste time. Pretty much Every thread is about speculation and wasting time.

We can discuss what we need... 3C. We can discuss what we would give up for it. What we could get for it. Whether it would be better, etc...

Of course, it's not easy. Yes, Hex would have already done it if available. I'm sure Hex has tried a lot of different things.

In regards to Laughton and Weal. Who knows what the real situation is, maybe Hex has them on a no trade list. I didn't put any names out there because I'm not sure. We can narrow the field a bit. We're not going to be trading with the Pens. We're not going to be getting McDavid. I am just interested in who could possibly fill the 3C roles for us. By logically narrowing the field a bit, we might be able to understand who Hex might be looking at or should be... Again, its July.
- leon neon

Ummm ok.

BUT part of those speculations is to come up with a realistic possibility and what would be available. Just throwing names out for no reason doesn't provide anything in any way then.

Ok let's narrow down who could fill out 3C for the Flyers:
Laughton
Weal
Lehtera
Voroyov
Vecchione
Frost

I guess that was more simpler than I thought.

To start... None.

After "shopping" the other teams... The team would most likely be out West. Somebody not too old... Third line type of guy - scores but not leading the team. Good in the +/- department. Maybe a UFA soon, within 2 years... Salary 3+M.

Just to throw out a name. I don't really know much about him, or where he fits on the Wilds roster... But, Charlie Coyle. Coyle's got Staal and Koivu above him, and Joel Eriksson pushing for his spot. Not sure if he's "better than" weal or laughton. He's middle of the pack scoring for the wild, more pts than weal/laughton. He's big with good relative +/-. So, he seems to be a good line 3 type. The Wild seem to have dinosaurs or rookies. Two guys (Weal/Laughton) in the middle range might help them. The salaries balance favoring the Wild a bit. He is signed through 2019-2020. So, we could resign or dump - if salaries are a problem. I see plus and minus for each team.
- leon neon

Coyle is a very good player if you have seen him play, strong and fast. Zero chance they would ever take that return.

Hopefully this doesn't come off too condescending, but in all seriousness if it was that easy to do...wouldn't Hextall do that in a heartbeat? Might as well throw Neurvirth and Weise in there too and get a healthy goaltender.

I know most sports fans like to just "trade these players and get what you need", but I like to hear exactly who Weal and Laughton is going to realistically get to fill the 3C. Remember other teams have to want what the Flyers don't want anymore to give what the Flyers want.
- Glak18

Haha exactly, this isn't NHL video game GM mode where you trade 3 players rated 79 for a player rated 83 and continue to do so until you have all stars on every line. All teams have marginal 3rd/4th liners they'd like to get rid of for a top 6 guy, this is why you don't see those types of trades.

Better to accidentally go over 18, than under it.
- Feanor

That's what she said

I’d give peace a chance, not so much on Laughton. Would love to admit I was wrong, but he just hasn’t shown enough to be a 3C, and doesn’t seem to be good on the PK. He seems to be more of plug in for short term injury.
Again, I hope I’m wrong and he shines this year!
- Hokeeguy9

He put up 10 goals and 10 assists playing pretty much as a 4th liner. Maybe he can increase those numbers playing with better linemates.

He put up 10 goals and 10 assists playing pretty much as a 4th liner. Maybe he can increase those numbers playing with better linemates.
- MJL

Well he has decent wheels, pretty good vision and a nice shot. Now if he could work on making those silly mistakes, which is what will make or break his shot, then hooray.

He put up 10 goals and 10 assists playing pretty much as a 4th liner. Maybe he can increase those numbers playing with better linemates.
- MJL

I think that Laughton starts the season as 3C. I just don't see too many affordable upgrades unless a 3C filters down from a more significant trade.

I think that Laughton starts the season as 3C. I just don't see too many affordable upgrades unless a 3C filters down from a more significant trade.
- Sinisalo4vr

I'm perfectly fine with that. Give him that opportunity and see what happens.

I'm perfectly fine with that. Give him that opportunity and see what happens.
- MJL

Spot on.

who wants to play Warframe?

who wants to play Warframe?
- Mordecai

Needs more Yen

I'm perfectly fine with that. Give him that opportunity and see what happens.
- MJL

So far i am not convinced that Laughton CAN'T be a 3c. He has shown tons of upside while playing with 4th liners and 4th line minutes.
Why is everybody so hard on this kid? He hasn't really been given a fair chance to show what he can do when he is stick with leier and weise.
For (frank)s sake. He is still a kid

So far i am not convinced that Laughton CAN'T be a 3c. He has shown tons of upside while playing with 4th liners and 4th line minutes.
Why is everybody so hard on this kid? He hasn't really been given a fair chance to show what he can do when he is stick with leier and weise.
For (frank)s sake. He is still a kid
- sILKAsSINASALO

Just me but I’d like to see him excel at something. That’s kind of just a personal preference but I can’t think of anything he does really well, you know?

Don’t hate him but he’s pretty forgettable.

Just me but I’d like to see him excel at something. That’s kind of just a personal preference but I can’t think of anything he does really well, you know?

Don’t hate him but he’s pretty forgettable.
- flyer_nutter

He's vanilla, but sometimes that's all you need in the bottom 6 so long as you're quick

who wants to play Warframe?
- Mordecai

Read my post from 3am last night or I will burn this mother(frank)er down.