Gardiner will cost 6 mil per or more most likely. I dont want to pay a Dman that much who cant really play D. Great offense.
- Fakepartofme

exactly.

if hypothetically Dermott gets 30+ replacing gardiner - but has one fewer brain-fart every two games... that pretty much evens out - plus it would probably help lower Andersen's blood pressure about 10 pts.

all the discussion of what to offer Ottawa for Karlsson, take the basics of that package and offer it St Louis for Paryako or Winnipeg for Trouba would be my preference.

I'm certainly not a Dumba fan... but he would be a good right side option that shouldn't cost nearly as much...

I agree with what you are saying but the Leafs do need a legit top 4 RHD to be added to the mix. It would slot players in properly, which puts less pressure on the defense.. Assuming Gardiner stays, it might be:

Rielly- ?
Gardiner - Hainsey
Dermott - Zaitsev


If we get someone who can fill a top 4 RHD spot, then we're all good.. Won't have a weakness really, other than maybe Andersen... I hear he's already fatigued
- PatC80

I fully agree. My point being if they're not adding a top 4 Right side D, there's no point in adding a bottom pairing veteran (like Hamhuis) just for the sake of adding. Start the year with the current depth and hope that Carrick or one of the random development projects can take the 6 spot and improve as the year goes on. Then at the deadline (or next years draft) look to add a legit top 4 and go with:

Reilly - New player
Dermott - Zaistev

and fill in the bottom pairing however possible.

I think Morrisey's deal is being held up by Trouba's , if Trouba gets a long term deal it may force us to bridge Morrisey for cap reasons, if trouba wont sign long term and sadly a move looks more likely then I can see morrisey getting a longer term deal. to be honest, there are a lot of Jets fans who like morrisey more than trouba. I see either a 2 year deal at 3.5 million or a 7 years deal at around 5 mil ( which would be awesome value!!)
I really like Poolman, granted he is a 4-6 D, but I like him and hope he get a regular shift this year, I think he signs a 3 year / 1.5 per deal. I baffled by the Jets fans that are ok with trading trouba and re signing myers, I would never do this. trade myers now. also, Niku is a D to watch this year and Samberg possibly next year.
- Ross77

thanks - I was curious because the 7-8 Jets games that I fully watched, for most of those Trouba was injured/out of the lineup and I thought Morrissey look really good and Poolman looked pretty good.

maybe trading Trouba is a better option due to return.... if Cheveldayoff believes he's going to be re-occuring contract problem... maybe they move him for the best return now.

It's really only the 6-7.

Reilly - Hainsey (Or Z)
Gardiner - Zaistev (Or Hainsey)
Dermott - BLANK

Carrick looked good with Dermott at times but any of Holl, Rosen, or Borgman could fill that spot for the time being. Heck even Marincin looked good after a full year in Dubas' development system in the AHL. If Babcock isn't biased, Marincin might be the favourite due to his PK specialty.

Why develop all of these over age 'rookies' if you're not going to leave a spot for them in the lineup?
- Schennski

Shennski... you had me until you mentioned Marincrap. He's need by the Marlies to mentor the young players.

good PR coaching? He did however get a big lion tattoo with a crown on it, no? I'd say there's lots of ego there, but why shouldn't these guys have confidence? They're elite professional athletes for cryin out loud
- mgriffen

You have a point, most gifted athletes hear - how great they are from many sources from early teenage years on - some of them obviously believe it. Perception is the only thing a fan or external observer can go on. Listening to Matthews talk, he speaks with confidence - but as you say, probably well coached, or maybe also well raised and grounded from upbringing?

Probably not 4.
5- 7
- Fakepartofme

Yep. Need a number 4

If we can't get one through trade...sign Hamuis for one year. He can certainly fill mins at the number 4 spot. He did a good job there last year

Agreed, id take a shot at Hamhuis, and maybe Entrsom as depth signings who could play up in the lineup if needed due to injuries.
- Archaic

Gardiner-Rielly
Dermott-Zaitzev
?-?
?

Hainsey, Holl, Rosen, Carrick, Marincin


Will all battle for those spots. You can probably add one more to the list as an FA signing.

Of course a trade could change all of this

thanks - I was curious because the 7-8 Jets games that I fully watched, for most of those Trouba was injured/out of the lineup and I thought Morrissey look really good and Poolman looked pretty good.

maybe trading Trouba is a better option due to return.... if Cheveldayoff believes he's going to be re-occuring contract problem... maybe they move him for the best return now.
- BorjeFan4Ever

Trouba to the Leafs

Hi Bruce
- Symba007

My name isn't Bruce. Quit stalking me.













(don't quit stalking me )

Shennski... you had me until you mentioned Marincrap. He's need by the Marlies to mentor the young players.
- BorjeFan4Ever

Haha I didn't believe it either. The last Steve Dangle podcast (Tavar3s) they have on a Marlies beat writter who was all over the impact Marty had on the Marlies cup run. Babcock always said his main issue in the NHL was a lack of confidence and assertiveness. His advanced stats had him as one of the top Dmen in the league. If the development staff and system were able to tighten up his game, he could become a very good bottom pairing PK guy.

Maybe coulda woulda shoulda..... I'm just saying theres a chance.

exactly.

if hypothetically Dermott gets 30+ replacing gardiner - but has one fewer brain-fart every two games... that pretty much evens out - plus it would probably help lower Andersen's blood pressure about 10 pts.

all the discussion of what to offer Ottawa for Karlsson, take the basics of that package and offer it St Louis for Paryako or Winnipeg for Trouba would be my preference.

I'm certainly not a Dumba fan... but he would be a good right side option that shouldn't cost nearly as much...
- BorjeFan4Ever

Dermott replacing Gards this year or next? I think it's a little too soon to pencil him in Gardiners spot IMO...he was ok last year but he was used in sparingly and sheltered for the most part.

Haha I didn't believe it either. The last Steve Dangle podcast (Tavar3s) they have on a Marlies beat writter who was all over the impact Marty had on the Marlies cup run. Babcock always said his main issue in the NHL was a lack of confidence and assertiveness. His advanced stats had him as one of the top Dmen in the league. If the development staff and system were able to tighten up his game, he could become a very good bottom pairing PK guy.

Maybe coulda woulda shoulda..... I'm just saying theres a chance.
- Schennski

We should have signed Polak for 1 more year...

Dermott replacing Gards this year or next? I think it's a little too soon to pencil him in Gardiners spot IMO...he was ok last year but he was used in sparingly and sheltered for the most part.
- Garnie

agreed. he stood out at times for being slick with the puck, but he also made mistakes in limited minutes.

more minutes = more mistakes. i think he's an nhl'er, but bottom pairing this year.

We should have signed Polak for 1 more year...
- Garnie

Garnie > barf.gif

Garnie > barf.gif
- senstroll

meh, he won't be any worse then what we put back there...and he actually could get to play with someone other then Blowzak.

agreed. he stood out at times for being slick with the puck, but he also made mistakes in limited minutes.

more minutes = more mistakes. i think he's an nhl'er, but bottom pairing this year.
- Tumbleweed

He'll get there I think, just not sure he's ready for top 4...especially if it's he's #3 and Z and is #4. Just my thoughts....

Gardiner-Rielly
Dermott-Zaitzev
?-?
?

Hainsey, Holl, Rosen, Carrick, Marincin


Will all battle for those spots. You can probably add one more to the list as an FA signing.

Of course a trade could change all of this
- Santo_44

Hainsey is a lock for the top 6 this year.

Zaitsev was sheltered and a PP guy in his rookie year and last year he was playing with Gardiner (which is equivalent to being the only defender on the ice) and getting a lot of PK minutes. I wouldn't be surprised if he is put back with Reilly on the top pairing.

Hainsey is a lock for the top 6 this year.

Zaitsev was sheltered and a PP guy in his rookie year and last year he was playing with Gardiner (which is equivalent to being the only defender on the ice) and getting a lot of PK minutes. I wouldn't be surprised if he is put back with Reilly on the top pairing.
- Schennski

He is not a lock.

It isn't Lou and Babs annymore...It is Dubas and Babs. Things will be done a bit differently.

Hainsey was poop the last 20 games of the season and into the playoffs. If he keeps playing like that someone could absolutely take his role away

Gardiner-Rielly
Dermott-Zaitzev
?-?
?

Hainsey, Holl, Rosen, Carrick, Marincin


Will all battle for those spots. You can probably add one more to the list as an FA signing.

Of course a trade could change all of this
- Santo_44

Hainsey not battling those guys. Hes just there

Hainsey not battling those guys. Hes just there
- drexel

He will get a longer leash

But he could be press boxed if he doesn't show that he can get back to the level he was at n the first half of the season.

He will get a longer leash

But he could be press boxed if he doesn't show that he can get back to the level he was at n the first half of the season.
- Santo_44

He didn't even get moved down the lineup, let alone anywhere close to the pressbox. Worst case for Hainsey - he's on the bottom pairing.

He is not a lock.

It isn't Lou and Babs annymore...It is Dubas and Babs. Things will be done a bit differently.

Hainsey was poop the last 20 games of the season and into the playoffs. If he keeps playing like that someone could absolutely take his role away
- Santo_44

Haisey earned his pay last year. He is ok as a 5-6 dman. was over-used last season
Zaitsev is the bigger question mark. If he has another poop season, he will be shipped to Seattle asap
Dermott, Reilly, Gardiner are the top d-men at this point,

One of Borgman/Rosen/Ozhiganov/Carrick should make the team

Can sign or trade for a RHD with some experience that is defensively sound. Not impossible - don't need a star.

Then ..... when Trade deadline comes, ADD a rental or two
Also Liljegren should be on the team before the playoffs.

Marleau-Matthews-Nylander
Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Johnsson-Kadri-Brown
Ennis-Jooris-Kapanen

Rielly-Trouba
Dermott-Zaitsev
Gardiner-Hainsey
Carrick

Trouba for Grundstrom, One of the young swedish d-men, 1st

Gardiner-Rielly
Dermott-Zaitzev
?-?
?

Hainsey, Holl, Rosen, Carrick, Marincin


Will all battle for those spots. You can probably add one more to the list as an FA signing.

Of course a trade could change all of this
- Santo_44

Ozagonff the great says Nyet

most fans around the league are starting to see the likelihood of an all Canada Cup final....Nucks and Habs.....lol!!!!!! Leafs and Jets of course!!!! I think if this were to happen the hatred might hit an all time high between fan bases. but it will be awesome....Jets in 6
- Ross77

I could never hate the Jets. My 2nd favourite team. If the Leafs can't win it I would love to see them do it. Although preferably not over Toronto.

Hard not to love the team or it's crazy hilarious rabid fanbase. The MTS is electric when it's rocking.