We're not going after Karlsson.

Also, please stop responding to this troll. Nothing good ever comes of it!
- TrashPanda

I know we aren't but I don't understand how people can just say no if there is potential for a deal to be truck without including the big 3. If it's just prospects, and picks (that have stipulations on them) for 1 year I'd do it. Why not give us the best chance at a cup next year?

With Myers contract coming to an end and Big buff getting older... I just don't see how they can afford to trade away their 23 year old first pair RHD.

And Laine has an ego? I know the guy is confident in himself but that doesn't tell the whole story on a man.
- Scabeh

Trouba will be 25 in Feb - so he's not 23. Laine, thinks and was outspoken about how the Leafs should have taken him 1st (you never heard a peep out of Matthews regarding the subject) He's a star player, top 5 goal scorer with size - will be a top player in the league for over a decade in all likelihood. Confident Yes, Ego - Yes.

Myers will be an UFA next year, can't see the Jets liking him at $7 mil and someone else might pay that next year - I don't see him staying. Many teams would take Buff in a second even at age 33.

There will be hard feelings after arbitration comes down today no matter what. If Trouba gets his $7 mil, Shovelsh!toff will be royally pissed and might consider moving him. If Trouba loses and gets $4 million he won't be a happy camper.

I know we aren't but I don't understand how people can just say no if there is potential for a deal to be truck without including the big 3. If it's just prospects, and picks (that have stipulations on them) for 1 year I'd do it. Why not give us the best chance at a cup next year?
- matt1337

Trading Nylander for it (which is the minimum I'm sure) isn't worth it. Plus it isn't possible.

PLUS, there's no way Ottawa is dealing him to us without a massive overpayment.

Not worth it, let's stay the course. We're contenders without Karlsson.

I know we aren't but I don't understand how people can just say no if there is potential for a deal to be truck without including the big 3. If it's just prospects, and picks (that have stipulations on them) for 1 year I'd do it. Why not give us the best chance at a cup next year?
- matt1337

1)Because Management wants a chance at a cup for the next 10 years - they have the cap space to add at the deadline.
2)Not likely anyone trading for Karlsson will give up huge assets for a rental.
3) Taking Ryan back is an non-starter for the Leafs under any circumstance.

Trouba will be 25 in Feb - so he's not 23. Laine, thinks and was outspoken about how the Leafs should have taken him 1st (you never heard a peep out of Matthews regarding the subject) He's a star player, top 5 goal scorer with size - will be a top player in the league for over a decade in all likelihood. Confident Yes, Ego - Yes.

Myers will be an UFA next year, can't see the Jets liking him at $7 mil and someone else might pay that next year - I don't see him staying. Many teams would take Buff in a second even at age 33.

There will be hard feelings after arbitration comes down today no matter what. If Trouba gets his $7 mil, Shovelsh!toff will be royally pissed and might consider moving him. If Trouba loses and gets $4 million he won't be a happy camper.
- winsix

I think you're judging a guy's character on one thing he said when he was 18 years old.... as I said, it showed great confidence and cockyness but I think it's a very small sample to judge a player's characer.

Myers is most likely gone unless he takes a paycut.

And Trouba could also get 6M from the arbitration.... or anything in between that would satisfy both parties.... or they could come to an agreement before the hearing.

I don't get why you hate Cheveldayoff (butchered it probably) so much? I think he did a wonderful job with the Jets.

You think Trouba wants to bolt still? Got way more ice-time this year; wasn't that his main beef?
- gravyface

to be honest I'm not sure anymore, he said all the right things at the end of the year. he may want to play in the states or this is his agent (Overhardt) known for over valuing and getting his clients more than they deserve playing hard ball and the Jets not giving in

Mike Augello: A shrinking window of opportunity; new Leafs Convo
- mikeinbuffalo

Hard no on adding Hamhuis, Bieksa or Orpik on a PTO. Let one of Holl, Carrick, Rosen, Borgman, Marincin, or the new Russian kid earn that last spot. At least they would have potential to improve as the season goes on.

Trouba will be 25 in Feb - so he's not 23. Laine, thinks and was outspoken about how the Leafs should have taken him 1st (you never heard a peep out of Matthews regarding the subject) He's a star player, top 5 goal scorer with size - will be a top player in the league for over a decade in all likelihood. Confident Yes, Ego - Yes.

Myers will be an UFA next year, can't see the Jets liking him at $7 mil and someone else might pay that next year - I don't see him staying. Many teams would take Buff in a second even at age 33.

There will be hard feelings after arbitration comes down today no matter what. If Trouba gets his $7 mil, Shovelsh!toff will be royally pissed and might consider moving him. If Trouba loses and gets $4 million he won't be a happy camper.
- winsix

Laine does not have an ego, settle down, he was asked a million times about the draft and sure he said he thinks he should go # 1. any 17 year old rated in the top 10 should say that, or would you prefer they say, no way, I'm not that good. lol
he also more often than not gave a much more wishy washy answer but the 3 times out of million were amplified like nobody's business. Myers sucks and no team should pay him 7, I hope the jets trade him or let him walk. the jets wont give away trouba, the've proven that with his previous hold out, who cares if hes not happy, if he doesn't play well no one will pay him.

Laine does not have an ego, settle down, he was asked a million times about the draft and sure he said he thinks he should go # 1. any 17 year old rated in the top 10 should say that, or would you prefer they say, no way, I'm not that good. lol
he also more often than not gave a much more wishy washy answer but the 3 times out of million were amplified like nobody's business. Myers sucks and no team should pay him 7, I hope the jets trade him or let him walk. the jets wont give away trouba, the've proven that with his previous hold out, who cares if hes not happy, if he doesn't play well no one will pay him.
- Ross77

This is why you're my favorite Jets poster Ross.

I agree completely.

Hard no on adding Hamhuis, Bieksa or Orpik on a PTO. Let one of Holl, Carrick, Rosen, Borgman, Marincin, or the new Russian kid earn that last spot. At least they would have potential to improve as the season goes on.
- Schennski

hambuis could still hockey last year. he could be worth adding still.

bieksa is not an nhl player anymore. no to orprik.

Laine does not have an ego, settle down, he was asked a million times about the draft and sure he said he thinks he should go # 1. any 17 year old rated in the top 10 should say that, or would you prefer they say, no way, I'm not that good. lol
he also more often than not gave a much more wishy washy answer but the 3 times out of million were amplified like nobody's business. Myers sucks and no team should pay him 7, I hope the jets trade him or let him walk. the jets wont give away trouba, the've proven that with his previous hold out, who cares if hes not happy, if he doesn't play well no one will pay him.
- Ross77

can enstrom still play a depth role?

can enstrom still play a depth role?
- Tumbleweed

I believe he can, when healthy.

Needs a massive paycut though.

Hi Bruce

Trouba will be 25 in Feb - so he's not 23. Laine, thinks and was outspoken about how the Leafs should have taken him 1st (you never heard a peep out of Matthews regarding the subject) He's a star player, top 5 goal scorer with size - will be a top player in the league for over a decade in all likelihood. Confident Yes, Ego - Yes.

Myers will be an UFA next year, can't see the Jets liking him at $7 mil and someone else might pay that next year - I don't see him staying. Many teams would take Buff in a second even at age 33.

There will be hard feelings after arbitration comes down today no matter what. If Trouba gets his $7 mil, Shovelsh!toff will be royally pissed and might consider moving him. If Trouba loses and gets $4 million he won't be a happy camper.
- winsix

Cause Matthews was picked 1st...why would he say anything?
JEts wont be moving Trouba...they would be stupid to do so.
Myers will be moved first.
Buff is exactly what the leafs need.

Stats are not at the top of the list IMO.

1) Scheifele is signed to a very good LTC - very unlikely that Jets will want to pay more for Trouba than Scheifele
2) Wheeler is UFA next season Laine is RFA - both can expect big pay days if Jets want to keep them. If Jets bridge Laine - they will be playing with fire - Ego the size of Jupiter and will play it out if they (frank) him around.
3) Shovelsh!toff is a famous cheapskate, his hands will be trembling as if he has Parkinsons when Laine asks for $12 million a year, and Wheeler says he wants $11 X 8 at age 32

Ross is right, no need to panick, but Trouba will likely be gone at first opportunity.
- winsix

Connor scored 30 goals last year as well, he wont be cheap next year either.
I sadly think we are headed for a trade with Trouba, but am holding out hope we get this deal signed. It's ok to call chevy cheap, but with the cap, its better to be cheap than over spend.
Wheeler's next deal is the one that scares me, I don't agree with handing out long term deals to guys his age, hope it gets done at 3-4 years, no more.

hambuis could still hockey last year. he could be worth adding still.

bieksa is not an nhl player anymore. no to orprik.
- Tumbleweed

The only hole on the D is top pairing right side, which would push Haisney or Zaistev down to bottom pairing with Dermott. If they're not filling that spot I see no point in signing a Vet to play bottom pairing and log jam all of the fringe NHLers in the system that deserve a shot.

Laine does not have an ego, settle down, he was asked a million times about the draft and sure he said he thinks he should go # 1. any 17 year old rated in the top 10 should say that, or would you prefer they say, no way, I'm not that good. lol
he also more often than not gave a much more wishy washy answer but the 3 times out of million were amplified like nobody's business. Myers sucks and no team should pay him 7, I hope the jets trade him or let him walk. the jets wont give away trouba, the've proven that with his previous hold out, who cares if hes not happy, if he doesn't play well no one will pay him.
- Ross77

Bingo!
Agreed.

I think you're judging a guy's character on one thing he said when he was 18 years old.... as I said, it showed great confidence and cockyness but I think it's a very small sample to judge a player's characer.

Myers is most likely gone unless he takes a paycut.

And Trouba could also get 6M from the arbitration.... or anything in between that would satisfy both parties.... or they could come to an agreement before the hearing.

I don't get why you hate Cheveldayoff (butchered it probably) so much? I think he did a wonderful job with the Jets.
- Scabeh

I don't hate Cheveldayoff at all, nor the Jets, anymore than any team. I treat all teams with equal contempt. I will admit that I dislike some players or coaches or GMs more than others though. There are piles of articles over the past few years documenting how cheap he is and how difficult it is to make a trade with him. I think he's done a good job there. Winnipeg is one of the few teams in the West that are an automatic playoff team and contender for me.

From an opportunity to win, Trouba will not find many better IMO. That said, this is his second rodeo at age 24. I see him as in a US city at some point to be honest. I see him bolting at first opportunity and if he gets paid today, that may be sooner than later.

The only hole on the D is top pairing right side, which would push Haisney or Zaistev down to bottom pairing with Dermott. If they're not filling that spot I see no point in signing a Vet to play bottom pairing and log jam all of the fringe NHLers in the system that deserve a shot.
- Schennski

it's a long season. injuries happen. never a bad thing to add a little extra depth.

- Zezel

hopefully you didn't waste "quality vinyl" making this picture

me thinks the "broken record" won't get much traction with the intended mark

Connor scored 30 goals last year as well, he wont be cheap next year either.
I sadly think we are headed for a trade with Trouba, but am holding out hope we get this deal signed. It's ok to call chevy cheap, but with the cap, its better to be cheap than over spend.
Wheeler's next deal is the one that scares me, I don't agree with handing out long term deals to guys his age, hope it gets done at 3-4 years, no more.
- Ross77

Agree with this post. Connor is a good player, and managing cap is a huge part of running a team, especially an excellent team like the Jets.

most fans around the league are starting to see the likelihood of an all Canada Cup final....Nucks and Habs.....lol!!!!!! Leafs and Jets of course!!!! I think if this were to happen the hatred might hit an all time high between fan bases. but it will be awesome....Jets in 6

It doesn't matter what he asks for, it's what the other teams offer. Dorion is (frank)ed. He has zero leverage.

Let's lay this out.

Ottawa has no cash, so the extension isn't happening because they can't give him the up front signing bonus he wants.

Then there's the fact that he hates the owner and to a lesser extent the management team that allowed the bullpoop that happened with Hoffman.

And usually, if a player was unhappy, you could overpay him and shut him up that way. But, as earlier mentioned, no cash in Ottawa.

They're also (frank)ed because they don't have their 1st round pick which means they can't tank next year either and they need a decent return to make sure they don't hand Colorado 1st overall which means they need some roster players who can make an impact right now. For example, Gardiner on defense helps replace Karlsson's loss a little bit and can be re-signed for cheaper without the massive up front signing bonuses.

Then there are the teams offering nothing but picks and prospects, like Tampa Bay is most likely doing. If Tampa Bay offered them any roster players worth having, they would have already made the deal because it would have cleared the salary to make space for Karlsson. So right away, something like Nylander and Gardiner is going to be more immediately helpful than whatever Tampa Bay is offering.

Then there are only a select few teams that can give Karlsson the up front money he wants (15-16 million dollar signing bonus that even Tampa Bay might not be able to give him that the Leafs could) so that limits the teams Ottawa can deal with even further because if Karlsson won't re-sign with a team, that team won't give up assets to acquire him.

The first team to offer Ottawa a decent package that includes a player who can develop into a future 1st liner, and a couple of good roster players that can keep them out of the draft lottery who can also agree to an extension with Karlsson is who they're going to deal with.

The price will be high but nowhere near where you think it will be. It's going to be lower than what he's actually worth and it's because Ottawa is (frank)ed into a corner.
- Unholy_Goalie

tUGdnr

- The Deal Man

Connor scored 30 goals last year as well, he wont be cheap next year either.
I sadly think we are headed for a trade with Trouba, but am holding out hope we get this deal signed. It's ok to call chevy cheap, but with the cap, its better to be cheap than over spend.
Wheeler's next deal is the one that scares me, I don't agree with handing out long term deals to guys his age, hope it gets done at 3-4 years, no more.
- Ross77

I think there is a way to fit Wheeler's new contract, Connor and Trouba in there with Myers most like leaving.

I mean, they just gave Hellebuyck 6M+... I'd argue that, moving forward, Trouba and Connor will be just as important as him.... how can you not pay those two.

I do agree that Wheeler's next contract is the key to all this.... but the Jets are still very young... maybe they should focus on getting all their young stars under contract first.